Why ARE coronavirus cases falling in the US with 44% drop in 3 weeks?


Why ARE COVID cases plummeting? New infections have fallen 45% in the US and 30% globally in the past 3 weeks but experts say vaccine is NOT the main driver because only 8% of Americans and 13% people worldwide have received their first dose​

  • Daily cases have dropped 45 percent since the latest peak on January 11, according to data from the COVID-19 Tracking Project . There were 131,341 new cases reported on Wednesday
  • The decline appears to be a global phenomenon, with new infections falling worldwide for the past three weeks in a row, the World Health Organization said Monday
  • Hospitalizations have fallen a whopping 26 percent since they peaked most recently on January 12
  • Currently, 44 states are seeing a decline in cases with just Alabama, Louisiana, Montana, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania trending upward, according to Johns Hopkins data
  • California's 21,451 new confirmed cases on Tuesday are about one-third the mid-December peak of 54,000
  • New York recorded 8,215 new infections on Tuesday, down from the record-high of 19,942 new cases reported on January 15
  • Health experts say it is too soon for vaccines to be playing a major role in the decline with just 8% of the population having received the first shot and fewer than 2% being fully immunized
  • Officials say the drop is likely due to a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest, as many as 90 million people, and fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays

As the deadliest month of the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S. came to end, the nation is seeing signs of progress including plummeting rates of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations and accelerating vaccinations rates.
On Wednesday, 110,679 new infections were recorded, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, which is much lower than the 215,805 infections that were recorded just three weeks ago.
What's more, the seven-day rolling average of new cases currently sits at 135,904, a 44 percent decline from the average three weeks weeks earlier, a DailyMail.com analysis shows.
Forty-four states are seeing a decline in cases, Johns Hopkins data reveals, with just Alabama, Louisiana, Montana, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia, on the upswing.
In addition, as the country headed into February, COVID-19 hospitalizations fell below 100,000 for the first time in two months.
Currently, 92,880 patients are hospitalized with the virus, the lowest figure seen since November 29 and falling nearly 30 percent from a peak of 132,474 on January 6, according to data from The COVID Tracking Project.
The U.S. death toll has surpassed 446,000 - with an average of about 3,200 deaths per day - but experts say fatalities are a lagging indicator and will likely increase over the next couple of weeks before declining as those severely infected over the winter holidays pass away.
However, most officials say that, with fewer than two percent of the population fully immunized against the virus, it is too soon to say that vaccines are causing the decline.
So the question remains: why are cases falling so fast in the U.S. and can the nation stay ahead of the fast-spreading mutations of the virus?
Public health experts believe that the decline in cases is likely a combination of a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest - meaning as many as 90 million people have antibodies against the virus - and fewer people traveling and holding gatherings than did over the winter holidays.
It's not just the U.S., however. The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Monday it has also seen declining new infections globally over the past three weeks. Our World in Data graphs show the daily infection rate has fallen by 30 percent in that period.
But Director-General Tedros Adhanom warned against relaxing restrictions to slow the spread of coronavirus on the heels of the good news.
'Over the past year, there have been moments in almost all countries when cases declined, and governments opened up too quickly, and individuals let down their guard, only for the virus to come roaring back,' he said.

Dr Ali Mokdad, a professor of Health Metrics Sciences at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), said there are a number of reasons for the decline in case.
One of the reasons for the sharp drop in cases, even if not the primary driver, are vaccines.
Despite a slow start, the pace of vaccinations has been increasing. More than 52.6 million doses have been distributed and 32.7 million have been administered, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That figure is an increase from 16.5 million on January 20, Inauguration Day.
A total of 26.4 million people - about eight percent of the population - have received at least the first injection and six million - 1.8 percent - have been fully inoculated.
The average number of shots going into arms in the two weeks since Biden's inauguration has been around 1.3 million per day on average, more than the president's original goal of one million per day but less than his new goal of 1.5 million per day.
But these numbers are nowhere near the at least 65 percent required for herd immunity.
Experts say the decline in cases is likely due to other reasons instead, such as a higher number of people with natural immunity.
So far, 26.4 million cases - eight percent of the population - have been reported, according to Johns Hopkins.
However, most experts believe this is a severe undercount and only presents a portion of the true number of infections in the country, and Mokdad says likely another reason for the decline in cases.
Recent CDC models estimate that between February and December 2020, there were closer to 83.1 million infections in the U.S. In addition, to the six million cases reported in January, that means an estimated 89.1 million people have contracted the virus since the pandemic began.

The U.S., Europe, and the UK all reached their winter peaks of new daily infections around the same time in mid-January, statistics from Our World in Data show.
Cases in the three hard-hit parts of the world likely drove the global daily case rate to its highest point ever, with the seven-day rolling average of new cases reaching 736,396 on January 11.
By Tuesday, the average number of new daily cases worldwide had declined by 30 percent to 512,732.
Europe's new daily cases have declined from about 250,00 to about 180,000 a day, and the UK - which has been under lockdown since January 6 - is now seeing just 23,355 new cases on an average day, down from its January 9 peak of nearly 60,000.
And India, which is second only to the US for the highest number of COVID-19 cases, is seeing a decline, too.
New infections have fallen 25 percent in the past three weeks, to just 12,537 on an average day. Daily cases have plummeted from the country's September peak of 93,180 cases a day.
Mokdad says a higher percentage of infections in India, as much as 40 percent of the population being previously infected, has led to a decline because the country is heading closer to herd immunity.
But COVID-19 case rates there began to plummet far earlier and for different reasons than apply to wealthier nations like the UK and the US.
'In the wealthy countries...countries that are vaccinating right now, so European countries, and the fact they are in the northern hemisphere, the weather is going to turn out to be much better in the coming months,' Mokdad said.
'So a combination of vaccines, previous infections and the weather are going to lead to a decline.'
But if the northern hemisphere is going to see a decline in cases as we head into May, June and July, the southern hemisphere will likely see a rise as counties like Argentina, Australia and South Africa head into fall and winter.
'The seasonality will basically help some countries and is going to bea gainst certain countries,' he added.

In California, one of the nation's hotspots since the early days of the crisis, the rates of new infections and hospitalizations continue to fall.
The 21,451 new confirmed cases on Tuesday are about one-third the mid-December peak of 54,000.
Additionally, the state said the number of people in the hospital with COVID-19 slipped below 15,000, which is a drop of more than 25 percent in two weeks.
The state said that the number of people in the hospital with COVID-19 slipped below 14,850 - a drop of more than 25% in two weeks.
Deaths remain staggeringly high, however, with more than 3,800 in the last week.
It took six months for California to record its first 10,000 deaths, then four months to double to 20,000. In just five more weeks the state reached 30,000.
It then took only 20 days to get to 40,000. On Sunday deaths rose to 40,697, while total cases topped 3.2 million.

Meanwhile, in New York - the nation's first epicenter - cases have fallen nearly 10 percent over the last week, an analysis of state and federal data reveals.
On Tuesday, the state reported 8,215 new infections with a 5.47 percent test positivity rate. This is down from the record-high 19,942 new cases and 6.14 percent positivity rate reported on January 15.
'In the here and now, all the news is good. You look at all the trend lines, it's good,' Governor Andrew Cuomo said during a press conference on Sunday.
The state had about 8,067 hospitalizations on Tuesday, which a decrease from the more than 9,000 that were reported in mid-January.
However, Cuomo warned New Yorkers that the new COVID-19 variants were still a threat and that people still had to follow mitigation measures like mask-wearing and social distancing.
'For me, I have been through this a number of times, and I anticipate the probability of the future to be ready for it,' he said.

More states are reporting similar downward trends.
In Florida, which was was reporting as many as 16,000 new cases a day early in January, just 10,533 cases were recorded on Tuesday.
Additionally, fewer than 7,000 people are currently hospitalized with COVID-19, in the state, down from almost 8,000 earlier in January, reported the Tampa Bay Times.
The statewide positivity rate decreased to 10.77 percent.
And Illinois, health officials reported 2,304 new confirmed and probable cases of COVID-19,a steep drop from the record-high of more than 15,000 reported in November.
The seven-day rolling average test positivity rate, which sits at 3.9 percent, is the lowest figure seen sicne early October and has been cut by more than half from a month ago.
What's more, with just about 2,500 hospitalized patients, it represents an 59 percent drop from the peak of 6,175 in mid-November
 
Probably because it's winter and it's a pretty harsh one and more people are staying home because of the weather
But weren't the last few months winter yet they saw a rise in COVID cases? What accounts for those numbers vs. now? Holiday travel? Herd immunity? Obviously something is different between now and the last few months.
 
Except that the within 28 days of positive test is used as the main indicator. Also notice death certificate number on picture is up to 22.1.2021 while positive test is current.
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If we then go look at the latest date both are tabulated (22-01-2021):

Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death: total 99,983
Daily deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate by date of death: total 117,378

So they have actually in some cases marked COVID-19 as the reason for death on the death certificate even without positive test results.
Good thing this thread is about covid in the US then, right? I will admit that I don't know how the UK does their reporting because I live in the US. In the US they use death certificate coding which is done by a medical examiner. If you guys are that upset about how the US is doing it, you guys should be mad at the last administration that was in charge of that instead of blaming those doctors and scientists, no?

But weren't the last few months winter yet they saw a rise in COVID cases? What accounts for those numbers vs. now? Holiday travel? Herd immunity? Obviously something is different between now and the last few months.
It could be that holiday travel has now been over for over a month now or different testing methods.
 
The irony of accusing someone else of making up a story after kvetching for weeks about the exact definition of "role model" and changing the age of your niece two years over that number of weeks.

Imagine having an ego so small and fragile that you can't just admit you said something stupid during an Internet argument.

But weren't the last few months winter yet they saw a rise in COVID cases? What accounts for those numbers vs. now? Holiday travel? Herd immunity? Obviously something is different between now and the last few months.
Cognitive dissonance regarding one's own self-righteousness would prevent a lot of people from admitting the answer (political expedience) even if they were otherwise honest individuals, because they don't want to admit they were taken in.
 
Even rags like the daily Mail are being careful to say ‘died with covid.’ With, not of.
Every country counts differently but the uk is taking any death within 28 days of a positive test to be a covid death. So test positive on the dodgy as fuck not-fit-for-purpose PCR, then get hit by a bus three weeks later? Congratulations you’re a covid death.
Citation needed on this. I can't believe you guys still believe this
Good thing this thread is about covid in the US then, right? I will admit that I don't know how the UK does their reporting because I live in the US. In the US they use death certificate coding which is done by a medical examiner. If you guys are that upset about how the US is doing it, you guys should be mad at the last administration that was in charge of that instead of blaming those doctors and scientists, no?
You asked for a citation to a post that said that
but the uk is taking any death within 28 days of a positive test to be a covid death.
I gave you the source for that and now you are berating me about talking UK cases?

Can you please argue in good faith?
 
It could be that holiday travel has now been over for over a month now or different testing methods.
Which conviently happened right before a new President took office. It really is the timing that's causing everyone to question this sudden drop in cases way before any of Bidens anti-corona actions should have a reasonable effect in reducing the spread. I don't doubt that there's a perfectly logical explanation for the drop in cases, it's just that how fast everything changed over the past few weeks and past year makes you question if anyone really knows what's going on anymore.
 
To add to this, I know an individual who handled the bodies of people who had supposedly died from COVID and he has straight-up said he heard a supervisor ask about whether they could count something as a COVID death, ostensibly for financial reasons.
Not sure where you are but I know USA based facilities are getting dollars per patient. That’s open to abuse.
I run RT-PCR with Thermo-Fisher's system (they use a Ct of 40) and I've personally had at least 7 full tests (94 patient samples) fail because of false positives on our controls.
Is the pack insert thing public? If not and ONLY if you’re not going to get caught doing it I’d love to see that insert/instructions that say ct40 becasue everyone I’ve tried to tell that tells me I’m talking shit, it can’t possibly be that high, etc.
But in some places the lockdowns have been justified not so much on the whole population's positive cases, but rather on the intensive care units being strongly overwhelmed. That's usually the argument I'm met with whenever I dare to casually comment that all the lockdowns may be a little excessive, which immediately turns it into a highly emotional argument so I just check out. But just to say, there seems to have been an undeniable (?) abnormal surge in ICU patients this past year, and I think it's highly unlikely these patients are being misdiagnosed as much as the general population is from the stupidly high PCR cycle threshold. That would imply some other mystery illness going around.
There was a definite surge in spring - no doubt about that. What I’ve yet to see is a good comparison to normal UK surge capacity and also to bad flu year capacity. Don’t forget as well that a lot of the strain is because of two things: 1. Staff off due to testing positive amd 2. Beds being distanced and nobody in trollies in corridors. My own thoughts are that covid is a cold on steroids - there are a few of these cold viruses that are Coronaviruses and I’d wager that each time one has jumped through to humans a similar thing has happened. It’ll echo through for a few years and then end up another version of the sniffles. Until that point, the vulnerable are at risk. As for flu, well that is interesting isn’t it? How many flu tests are being carried out this year compared to normal I wonder?
 
Not sure where you are but I know USA based facilities are getting dollars per patient. That’s open to abuse.
That is what the individual told me as well, and I have no reason to doubt his story, as politically inconvenient as it might be to some small-minded hospital computer touchers who think they qualify as a medical professional.
 
Oh right that's also my other counterpoint sometimes, but I'm already careful using that argument because it's already enough to get labelled as a "conspiracy theorist" by some people.
An official, clear comparison to regular flu seasons will only come out "once the current Covid situation and pathology is better understood", i.e. probably not before 2023.

edit - not just talking about UK flu season, I mean in general.
The most informative graphs I think have been the excess deaths over a five or ten year average ones. In the uk you see a BIG surge in this past spring, then it rattled along around normal, bit above, bit below, then another surge just the last month or two. To be truly informative you’d need to take that graph and also graphs of other bad flu years vs five/ten year average. I suspect those years too would see that winter surge. The papers are always telling us that cold snaps in winter can result in 10k plus excess elderly deaths. Picking out what actually happened is really important, and I hope the data will be there. It should be, albeit in a form that will need some serious trimming and whittling to make sense of.
The worst graph I’ve seen had the y axis as death per million deaths, in Sweden. Looked scary. Big leak. DEATH on the axis. But deaths per million deaths? Not deaths per million people. Now the population of Sweden is about 11million people amd to get a million deaths of all causes would take about 12 years. That’s the level of disingenuity you’re dealing with. Frankly that’s just lying. And again, me pointing that out has lost me friends. Weird times we live in
 
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Lol no it's not. They go by cause of death for the numbers
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it is true. CDC's COVID stats include people who got shot or were in a car crash. They died of those cases but had COVID so into the covid stats they go. And by the way, "had covid" is also questionable since they are not obligated to do the tests on deceased, it's enough that they suspect the deceased was infected.

Unless you believe they mean people who got shot, were taken to the hospital, were on their way to recovery and then died of covid.
 
Would be the funniest shit if there were even a small percentage of truth to it. I personally believe he's 'pretended to be retarded' a little too much to keep it amusing. Hence why it all seems so low effort.
I'm always amazed that people get caught up in his low-effort trolling, but he reminds me of someone from another forum I posted on years ago who used to find threads where constructive discussion was going on and bomb it with bait until someone jumped on it and derailed or shit up the thread. He got away with it because he kept a server or something with porn for the mod staff. Was in a teamspeak with him once and he reacted to people not pronouncing his username "correctly" like Hogan does when people call him a janitor or bedpan cleaning specialist.
 
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it is true. CDC's COVID stats include people who got shot or were in a car crash. They died of those cases but had COVID so into the covid stats they go. And by the way, "had covid" is also questionable since they are not obligated to do the tests on deceased, it's enough that they suspect the deceased was infected.

Unless you believe they mean people who got shot, were taken to the hospital, were on their way to recovery and then died of covid.
Oh jeez, not this shit again. Do you not know how medical charts are coded and how these graphs work? I've explained it like a dozen times on here. I will explain it if you will actually read it and listen, but otherwise, I am not wasting my time because I am sick of you retards posting this incorrect interpretation of CDC charts
 
Do it again then
So, first of all, how those CDC charts work...

Those groupings of ICD-10 diagnoses are pretty standard. Just because those diagnoses are in the same grouping in the chart doesn't mean that those individual diagnoses are actually in that count. There's a ton of ICD-10 codes and they group them together pretty loosely in the chart. For example, in the one you listed, they also have S00-T98, which are amputations and things like that. There are 7,000ish that are in that group entirely, but that doesn't mean that any were necessarily in X92-Y09. Those are all just lumped together.

And as for that chart, when they code your death, they list everything on your medical record as being a secondary condition. For example, if you were diabetic and had your foot amputated, an amputated foot would still be on your medical chart. If you died of covid, this may or may not be listed on there depending on the medical examiner. As another example, if you get shot and die of blood loss, both the gunshot wound and the blood loss will be on there. It doesn't mean that the blood loss was a pre-existing condition or whatever, just that it lead to your death. In this case, it's likely those were pre-existing injuries that were just on there and got coded along with it. It happens. CMS audits the crap out of deaths and their cause (because they don't like to get scammed by clinicians). Thinking there's this giant scam to overstate covid deaths for funding is just laughable if you actually know how it goes behind the scenes.
 
When the explanation for why there's a million medical codes attached to people allegedly dead from COVID is basically "well they just throw all this shit at the wall and then somebody picks a single cause out of the pile, but trust me, it's audited", I don't think that's assuaging anyone's concerns about the honesty of the data.

I'm sure those autopsies were extremely thorough and not at all rushed due to the sudden need to wear a bunny suit & follow heightened disease control protocols while doing them, and I'm sure the auditors have zero political reason to let things slide.

Edit: And of course it's the fucking test methodology primarily responsible for the cliff things fell off. Memo reminding people to change their shit went out on the 13th, the cases fell off a cliff 3 days later (but in those three days the number of cases continued to rise), juuuuuuust about the amount of time one would expect for everyone to get their shit together and the "improved results" to start showing up in reported data. Combine that with other likely contributing factors and we get a cliff in cases we haven't seen before.
 
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