Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I kind of wonder if they already have extra VA lines that they could use from Keanu due to the seemingly chaotic nature of how they were making the game.

A thought I just had.

If they ever actually did plan on DLC, would Keanu be under contract to come back to record dialogue? Or would they have had it planned before hand and already recorded it all?

I know they would never actually fix the base games story and shit, but if they did, do you think anyone would be pissed if they just recast Keanu similar to how they recast Peter Dinklage in Destiny? Even if it was just his voice? I remember hearing that former developers claiming the person they had before they locked in Keanu was far better.

 

[Urbanmech]

A thought I just had.

If they ever actually did plan on DLC, would Keanu be under contract to come back to record dialogue? Or would they have had it planned before hand and already recorded it all?

I know they would never actually fix the base games story and shit, but if they did, do you think anyone would be pissed if they just recast Keanu similar to how they recast Peter Dinklage in Destiny? Even if it was just his voice? I remember hearing that former developers claiming the person they had before they locked in Keanu was far better.

I don't think it would really piss off people any more than the game already has so wouldn't hurt the game that much if they did that.

 

[Snekposter]

A thought I just had.

If they ever actually did plan on DLC, would Keanu be under contract to come back to record dialogue? Or would they have had it planned before hand and already recorded it all?

I know they would never actually fix the base games story and shit, but if they did, do you think anyone would be pissed if they just recast Keanu similar to how they recast Peter Dinklage in Destiny? Even if it was just his voice? I remember hearing that former developers claiming the person they had before they locked in Keanu was far better.

Given that things started going downhill fast the moment he was brought in, pretty sure people would celebrate him getting replaced. Hopefully for some less expensive talent that won't phone in the lines.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Agreed. And mind you, I like Keanu Reeves. But he... really didn't fit as Silverhand. Silverhand, from what I read in the sourcebooks, was all about intense passions, and Reeves has a very hard time emoting on film, let alone with voice work. You need someone who could convey the fiery emotions driving Silverhand.

Now as the cool, distant Morgan Blackhand? That might've fit Reeves a LOT better.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

You need someone who could convey the fiery emotions driving Silverhand.

Imagine this speech but from someone giving some actual emotion or passion.

 

[Snekposter]

Agreed. And mind you, I like Keanu Reeves. But he... really didn't fit as Silverhand. Silverhand, from what I read in the sourcebooks, was all about intense passions, and Reeves has a very hard time emoting on film, let alone with voice work. You need someone who could convey the fiery emotions driving Silverhand.

Now as the cool, distant Morgan Blackhand? That might've fit Reeves a LOT better.

You know, you just reminded me of something.
This is Morgan Blackhand:

A much better match for Keanu in looks, isn't he? Got the hair, the perpetual unshaven face, those beady little eyes. Almost feels like it was supposed to be Blackhand in your head and then they switched to Silverhand for whatever reason, probably corporate meddling. Explains the hatred for Arasaka, the desire to take down Smasher...
To quote from the Cyberpunk wiki:

After successfully planting the demolition charges, Morgan's squad began the evacuation from the Arasaka Tower rooftop, only for Adam Smasher, Arasaka's cyborg assassin in a DaiOni Battlesuit, to confront him. While the building began to shake from the detonation of the nuclear demolition charge, the two launch themselves at each other in a last desperate attempt to kill each other. The outcome of the duel was never known.

Sound familiar?

 

[Urbanmech]

You know, you just reminded me of something.
This is Morgan Blackhand:
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A much better match for Keanu in looks, isn't he? Got the hair, the perpetual unshaven face, those beady little eyes. Almost feels like it was supposed to be Blackhand in your head and then they switched to Silverhand for whatever reason, probably corporate meddling. Explains the hatred for Arasaka, the desire to take down Smasher...
To quote from the Cyberpunk wiki:

Sound familiar?

Also wasn't Blackhand Pondsmith's character?

 

[Snekposter]

Also wasn't Blackhand Pondsmith's character?

No idea.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

You know, you just reminded me of something.
This is Morgan Blackhand:
View attachment 2436783
A much better match for Keanu in looks, isn't he? Got the hair, the perpetual unshaven face, those beady little eyes. Almost feels like it was supposed to be Blackhand in your head and then they switched to Silverhand for whatever reason, probably corporate meddling. Explains the hatred for Arasaka, the desire to take down Smasher...
To quote from the Cyberpunk wiki:

Sound familiar?

I don't remember if I read it in this thread or on another forum, but I remember shortly after release of 2077 I read a PnP Cyberpunk fan sperging out over how it was supposed to be Blackhand and not Silverhand that did all that stuff at Arasaka tower and had the beef with Smasher.

I also recall reading, and I don't remember if it was someone from CDPR that said it or some cope filled fanboy, but the idea was that "Johnny views himself as the hero, so his memories are not accurate" or some shit. Which doesn't make a lick of sense since I'm pretty sure Smasher reacts in a pissed off way when you mention Johnny before he dies.

Edit: I wouldn't put it past being Keanu himself who wanted to be Johnny Silverhand. I get the feeling he would have thought that would be cooler.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Imagine this speech but from someone giving some actual emotion or passion.

You could get a voice over that sounds like Alex Jones to do it.

 

[Snekposter]

I don't remember if I read it in this thread or on another forum, but I remember shortly after release of 2077 I read a PnP Cyberpunk fan sperging out over how it was supposed to be Blackhand and not Silverhand that did all that stuff at Arasaka tower and had the beef with Smasher.

It was probably me who ranted about it, since I remember doing that in this very thread. Not a fan, just a dude with access to the Cyberpunk Wiki and an autist's ability to remember irrelevant details. But I believe it was Pondsmith himself who came out and tried to retcon away it all with "Silverhand is an unreliable narrator" nonsense.

EDIT: Never forget what they took from you:

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

It was probably me who ranted about it, since I remember doing that in this very thread. Not a fan, just a dude with access to the Cyberpunk Wiki and an autist's ability to remember irrelevant details. But I believe it was Pondsmith himself who came out and tried to retcon away it all with "Silverhand is an unreliable narrator" nonsense.

EDIT: Never forget what they took from you:
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It was a pretty hardcore sperg out from what I remember so I think it might have been someone else. I might have seen you post about it too which is why I can't remember if it was here or somewhere else.

The more I look at the Wiki, the more I think they just had to come up with shit on the fly. Johnny replacing Blackhand in memories is fucking weird, but the whole anti corpo thing doesn't seem like it would have fit with Blackhand as the construct. In fact, reading the wiki makes it seem like him and V would have gotten along better.

 

[ZMOT]

A thought I just had.

If they ever actually did plan on DLC, would Keanu be under contract to come back to record dialogue? Or would they have had it planned before hand and already recorded it all?

I know they would never actually fix the base games story and shit, but if they did, do you think anyone would be pissed if they just recast Keanu similar to how they recast Peter Dinklage in Destiny? Even if it was just his voice? I remember hearing that former developers claiming the person they had before they locked in Keanu was far better.

usually you plan that out so you don't have to do more expensive recording sessions, which depending on the contract leave you plenty of time to fill anyway (no point in paying the minimum for 3 lines of dialog, so you make it worth your money). but given CDPR's mismanagement I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. even if they book him again for dlc (which they probably won't create to begin with) it's probably cheaper to just hire another VA and replace everything retroactively, that's what happened to dinklbot. too bad silverhand isn't a flying cube but actually modeled after keanu... which could mean depending on the deal they'd have to replace too.
the other thing is most people don't really care to begin with, they see wholesome chungus keanu, they like! that's the reason they got a celebrity in the first place. details like fitting the character are boring nerd shit, and even if it's someone better "he's not keanu, man"! replacing keanu would just be more negative PR.

 

[blablabla]

They just shitted the game up with whatever they could scrap on. If this crap ever gets some dlc it Will be a long Time in the future. They dont have anything

 

[An Avenging Bird]

Well, at least this game serves as a good counterpoint to that retarded adage "a delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."

and it ushers in the newer adage that pronoun obsessed feminist faggots ruin everything and should be forcibly sterilized

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

If I recall correctly, the problem with Silverhand being an unreliable narrator is that there's no indication of that in the game.

Like, there's no opportunity to question Johnny about the inconsistencies, or to get an alternate take.

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

It was a pretty hardcore sperg out from what I remember so I think it might have been someone else. I might have seen you post about it too which is why I can't remember if it was here or somewhere else.

The more I look at the Wiki, the more I think they just had to come up with shit on the fly. Johnny replacing Blackhand in memories is fucking weird, but the whole anti corpo thing doesn't seem like it would have fit with Blackhand as the construct. In fact, reading the wiki makes it seem like him and V would have gotten along better.

Was it me?

Spoiler: posts

Super late but in the game Johnny blows up Arasaka Tower, but in the TTRPG it's Morgan Blackhand. It's also him, not Johnny, who has a rivalry with Smasher.

Blackhand's whole involvement in the Arasaka raid was erased and he was replaced by Johnny. I've seen a lot of people theorize that Johnny, being a massive narcissist, mentally erased Morgan from the memory of the raid and put himself in the hero role. Mike Pondsmith commented on reddit saying that his memory is "scrambled from the rad damage and the process of recording his engram" and that he and CDPR both agreed that Johnny is an unreliable narrator. Personally, I think people are looking too deeply into this and the real reason is simply just that they replaced Morgan with Johnny so Keanu had a bigger role.

I feel it's also worth noting that someone replied to Mike's comment saying that according to Cyberpunk RED it was Spider Murphy who soulkilled Johnny, not Arasaka so they can't even be consistent with the fucking tie-in.

There's also a part after Johnny gets fixed up where Thompson tells him that the guys who attacked him were really after Alt and that she built Soulkiller and this is his reaction:
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But in the game when Thompson tells him Arasaka was after Alt he keeps denying it saying she was just collateral and they're trying to provoke him, even after he's told Alt wrote Soulkiller. Like there's not even an option to not be a narcissist and believe him.

The whole "radiation/the Soulkilling process/Johnny's narcissistic delusion altered his memories" thing is just such a cop out. It could've been an interesting idea if they had leaned into it more like maybe you bring up something to Rogue and she refutes you. There's a point in-game where Johnny mentions that in Mikoshi they can fuck around with your engram, implying they can edit it to their will. They could've done something with the idea, like made it an actual important decision: Do you believe Johnny's memories or do you challenge him on it? But instead it's just nothing. Blackhand's not even mentioned in relation to Arasaka Tower by ANYONE. Mike Pondsmith said no one knows who exactly detonated the bomb and that Militech and the NUSA pinned the blame on Arasaka, but after the heist V tells Victor that they planted a bomb and Vic's just like "yep, Johnny Silverhand is a terrorist and everyone knew." Like???

It really just feels like they wrote it without caring if it lined up with the canon and now everyone's scrambling to cover their asses by saying Johnny's memories aren't accurate. Like what's the point of making that a thing if you're not going to address it even a little? The more thought I put into this game, the more disappointed I become.

Also semi-related but I saw this post on Tumblr and it's kind of infuriating because it's still running with the "his memories are fucked because he's a narcissist" idea
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I thought they made it pretty obvious that his memories were fucked because there were chunks missing and the transitions between scenes were all glitchy.

I'm not really a big PnP fan, I've only skimmed the source books/wiki but I saw people on reddit talking about it. It just annoys me that they fucked things up so much for no reason, especially because now it seems like people are running with the "Johnny's memories are inaccurate because he's a narcissist and put himself in the hero role" idea despite it not only being the most basic, boring theory but also because there is nothing in the game that suggests it was all actually Morgan.

If I recall correctly, the problem with Silverhand being an unreliable narrator is that there's no indication of that in the game.

Like, there's no opportunity to question Johnny about the inconsistencies, or to get an alternate take.

The only hint you get is Alt telling you he's unreliable but I think people are mostly basing it on outside factors, like the fact the in-game flashbacks contradict what happens in the TTRPG or Mike Pondsmith saying Johnny's engram is scrambled.

 

[MisoSupper]

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1427299174765244417

https://archive.li/6ISdJ

What makes this particular announcement even funnier is that a fan got so fed up with waiting for a new patch that he plans on releasing his own:

r/cyberpunkgame - Forget patch 1.3. Megamod coming Friday, 8/20 5pm PST

784 votes and 184 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

https://archive.li/GkUMk

A ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ Player Is Simply Building And Releasing Patch 1.3 Himself

The long, cold silence of CDPR in regard to any future Cyberpunk 2077 content continues, whether that’s news about free DLC, next-gen release, or patch 1.3, which might contain one or both of those.

www.forbes.com

https://archive.li/NtyUQ

The timing of the new patch has everything to do with PR. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to push out the patch earlier than initially expected simply to avoid the terrible optics of some rando fan beating them to the punch. Honestly CDPR is such a hilarious failure of a company at this point lmao. I wonder if this game will ever get to a serviceable state.

 

[blablabla]

those are new randoms that replaced the first set of randoms they burned out releasing this shit.

 

[Back me up!]

I'm actually waiting for the FPS fan mod for the Ascent that will completely blow away CP 2077. The free look camera using a Unreal 4 Engine look makes the game look even more amazing.