11/13 Paris Terror Attacks

At least 18 are dead after a series of explosions and shootings. There have been at least 4 separate, but coordinated incidents.

CNN live stream:
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

CNN also just announced that there are also 60 hostages being held in a theater.

Update: More than 128 dead. We got a new rating. Basically, everything went fucky.

 

[captkrisma]

Given the large number of casualties, it is likely that ISIS will claim responsibility for the attacks as a PR maneuver. The attacks also showcase a new tactic that could be utilized in major cities. Large, coordinated assaults that are planned via TOR/Darknet and will stretch first responders across a wide area. Reports from victims in The Bataclan stated that it took approximately 3 hours before police reached their location, and Paris is a major metropolis with a large police and ambulatory force. Given the success of this attack, an attack within a major city in the US is likely and expected.

Source: Anti-terrorism/North Korean monitor and analyst with 12 years of experience (sorry for powerlevel).

 

[vertexwindi]

Jesus fuck, I just woke up to this.

I can't even imagine how horrible this whole situation must have been for everyone involved. My thoughts go out to the French.

 

[CWCissey]

Given the large number of casualties, it is likely that ISIS will claim responsibility for the attacks as a PR maneuver. The attacks also showcase a new tactic that could be utilized in major cities. Large, coordinated assaults that are planned via TOR/Darknet and will stretch first responders across a wide area. Reports from victims in The Bataclan stated that it took approximately 3 hours before police reached their location, and Paris is a major metropolis with a large police and ambulatory force. Given the success of this attack, an attack within a major city in the US is likely and expected.

They're more likely to go for another European capital first in my opinion. My guess would be Rome or London.

 

[Bertram]

I am seriously doubting that it's Muslims doing this, it seems like the work of Basque separatists to me.
If they're white the media will say that they're just helpless and mentally ill.

 

[CWCissey]

I am seriously doubting that it's Muslims doing this, it seems like the work of Basque separatists to me.
If they're white the media will say that they're just helpless and mentally ill.

Why the fuck would Basque separatists go after France? They tend to go for Spanish targets.

 

[Bertram]

Why the fuck would Basque separatists go after France? They tend to go for Spanish targets.

Basque separatists have the backing necessary to orchestrate such a brutal attack. Muslims wouldn't have the resources or connections available to Basque separatists. Also Basque separatists want land spanning much of Iberia, not just Spain.

 

[Clown Doll]

The discussion has held itself together so far very well despite this being an event that understandably makes people upset.
However, it's good to be reminded of the Events&News standards and Vitriol's post :

if we can keep immigration chatter to the migrant thread and islams chatter to the islam thread I'd be much obliged.
Like with School shootings use this thread to discuss the event itself and the media around it.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Why the fuck would Basque separatists go after France? They tend to go for Spanish targets.

A big chunk of the Basque Country is in Southern France.

EDIT: I'm still pretty sure the Paris atrocities were carried out by IS.

 

[Ariel]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/...ing-islamicstate-threat-idUKKCN0T30IP20151114

ISIS have claimed responsibility.

 

[CWCissey]

Basque separatists have the backing necessary to orchestrate such a brutal attack. Muslims wouldn't have the resources or connections available to Basque separatists. Also Basque separatists want land spanning much of Iberia, not just Spain.

They're also more willing to go after democratic solutions now. Islamic terrorists have the motives (Burqa ban, the fact France doesn't cater to their every whim, French involvement in Syria) as well as the means. This was planned on phones apparently, and they used suicide bombings and AKs. Not exactly cutting edge tech. The Schengen zone also helps matters.

Hell, the IRA could pull this kind of shit off in the 70's.

 

[GolgoXIII]

The UK or possibly Australia is next. I think they'd attack Canada before the U.S given these countries despite having great military are already under manned with other missions.

PS our Prime Minister is already pledging a couple mil to bring refugees here. Easy for a sleeper cell to slip in.

 

[Ariel]

We can't know if this is IS. I heavily doubt it is, it's just not they're style to engage in pointless and excessively cruel attacks like this.
IS are cold and calculated, they strike with quality not quantity.

lol what?

 

[Bertram]

lol what?

ISIS are strategic. They aren't just thugs like these guys (who are likely Basque, but maybe could be far-right trying to frame Muslims too)
Also, IS are Muslim. They honour Muslim rules regarding the treatment of non-Muslims, so they wouldn't be this brutal.

 

[CWCissey]

The UK or possibly Australia is next. I think they'd attack Canada before the U.S given these countries despite having great military are already under manned with other missions.

Yeah I'd see the UK being the next target. As it's kind of a stepping stone to the US which would act as psychological warfare as well. Plus both France and the UK have a growing fascist contingent. The aim is to radicalise more moderates for their jihad. If ISIS could turn Bradford, Oldham and Leicester, it would be fucking pandemonium.

Or Barry.

 

[Ariel]

ISIS are strategic. They aren't just thugs like these guys (who are likely Basque, but maybe could be far-right trying to frame Muslims too)
Also, IS are Muslim. They honour Muslim rules regarding the treatment of non-Muslims, so they wouldn't be this brutal.

ISIS
CLAIMED
RESPONSIBILITY

 

[Bertram]

ISIS
CLAIMED
RESPONSIBILITY

We don't yet know that these are actually ISIS representatives. They could be any number of racist organizations trying to pin the blame on Muslims.

 

[glass_houses]

The UK or possibly Australia is next. I think they'd attack Canada before the U.S given these countries despite having great military are already under manned with other missions.

I've no doubt that eventually Australia will be hit with a terrorist attack. But I think that it's much, much more likely to be conceived, planned, and carried out by home grown heroes than it will be internationally planned and directed. Australia is too small population wise to warrant intense focus by the international organisation. Not saying that Australia isn't involved up to its neck overseas, but from a large scale perspective, Europe and America are the ones that ISIS wants most to hurt by far.

 

[Clown Doll]

ISIS
CLAIMED
RESPONSIBILITY

Age old adage when it comes to trolling : if you think someone's trolling with posting that could be very well interpreted as genuine opinions, just ignore them, toss them in the gear grinder and move on. Responding will just feed them and clutter the thread as it becomes just a chain of responses between the troll and the thread. So I'd advise to just leave it unless there's content that breaks the rules, then report it.

If they're trolling, the troll will flail around like an idiot until they realize nobody's responding to them.

 

[CWCissey]

I've no doubt that eventually Australia will be hit with a terrorist attack. But I think that it's much, much more likely to be conceived, planned, and carried out by home grown heroes than it will be internationally planned and directed. Australia is too small population wise to warrant intense focus by the international organisation. Not saying that Australia isn't involved up to its neck overseas, but from a large scale perspective, Europe and America are the ones that ISIS wants most to hurt by far.

Plus Australia don't fuck about when it comes to immigration.

 

[Roosechu]

They're more likely to go for another European capital first in my opinion. My guess would be Rome or London.

Attacking Rome would probably result in a country-wide muslim hunt brought on by the civilians.