Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Alex Krycek]

It's hilarious how you conspiracy retards believe everything bad is from the vaccine. If those numbers are actually accurate (a big if), how do you know they aren't from covid itself? Covid itself has a far higher rate of complications than the vaccine does, among every age group. But those numbers are from actual medical scientists and doctors and not PatriotBlog1488.com so you won't believe it

What I’ve been getting at this entire time is that I’m more on your side than his Hulk, my argument is however that the reason those numbers of vaccinated people dying probably exist is because the vaccine isn’t all that effective. It’s not “Oh this thing is killing people” or “It gives you AIDS”, to me those are dumb arguments. Yeah I believe people who are vaccinated still get it and die. But it’s because the vaccine hasn’t really been developed properly yet not because the governments of the world are going through some wild experiment with Eugenics and the Vaccine has nanobots that 5G is using to control your thoughts and give you cancer and stuff. The simple explanation is that the vaccine is maybe only 30-40% effective in its current form at best, and right now they need to refine it and get a handle on what exactly the DNA of this thing is and probably fine tune it. I’ve also heard a theory that even if you are vaccinated the virus can stay dormant in your system and flare up again at a later date. I can’t source this at all because it’s just something I had a conversation about, but if that’s the case with how contagious it is, unless you’re living in like a Cave or a Jungle chances are you’ve already come into contact with it.

 

[redcent]

What I’ve been getting at this entire time is that I’m more on your side than his Hulk, my argument is however that the reason those numbers of vaccinated people dying probably exist is because the vaccine isn’t all that effective. It’s not “Oh this thing is killing people” or “It gives you AIDS”, to me those are dumb arguments. Yeah I believe people who are vaccinated still get it and die. But it’s because the vaccine hasn’t really been developed properly yet not because the governments of the world are going through some wild experiment with Eugenics and the Vaccine has nanobots that 5G is using to control your thoughts and give you cancer and stuff. The simple explanation is that the vaccine is maybe only 30-40% effective in its current form at best, and right now they need to refine it and get a handle on what exactly the DNA of this thing is and probably fine tune it. I’ve also heard a theory that even if you are vaccinated the virus can stay dormant in your system and flare up again at a later date. I can’t source this at all because it’s just something I had a conversation about, but if that’s the case with how contagious it is, unless you’re living in like a Cave or a Jungle chances are you’ve already come into contact with it.

This.

Also this, if you're curious about developmental issues they've had making the vaxes

The vaxes offer some protection, but on their own they won't fix the wuflu outbreak. The masks & mandates won't fix it on their own either. They have work in tandem together to get a foothold on this outbreak. Everyone needs to put in a concerted effort for this to work.

Things slow this down like anti vaxxer protests being super spreader events. And once we beat the virus down, we need our governments to pull their socks up and get serious about quarantine because third world countries are going to take a bit to be inoculated and until then they will have mutations happening there.

 

[NickGer]

It's hilarious how you conspiracy retards believe everything bad is from the vaccine. If those numbers are actually accurate (a big if), how do you know they aren't from covid itself? Covid itself has a far higher rate of complications than the vaccine does, among every age group. But those numbers are from actual medical scientists and doctors and not PatriotBlog1488.com so you won't believe it

Science isn't always right, back in 50's science said smoking cigarettes isn't dangerous to your health and how asbestos is safe to use. I trust my gut more then any scientist paid by government. If something isn't fully effective then I don't see a point of using it. Getting booster every 7 months cause the same science you quote, says that's how long effective current vax is, sounds like too much fucking hustle for me. That's like wearing a seatbelt that will work maybe, up to your luck to test it and I need to buy one every 7 months. Also acting like a smug faggot who thinks you are the right one and everyone else are conspiracy theorists is quite hypocritical, you are acting not much different then the same people you criticize. People have their own free will and it's up to them decide what they want to do.

 

[biozeminadae1]

It's hilarious how you conspiracy retards believe everything bad is from the vaccine. If those numbers are actually accurate (a big if), how do you know they aren't from covid itself? Covid itself has a far higher rate of complications than the vaccine does, among every age group. But those numbers are from actual medical scientists and doctors and not PatriotBlog1488.com so you won't believe it

because when were conspiracy theories ever right

 

[redcent]

Science isn't always right, back in 50's science said smoking cigarettes isn't dangerous to your health and how asbestos is safe to use. I trust my gut more then any scientist paid by government. If something isn't fully effective then I don't see a point of using it. Getting booster every 7 months cause the same science you quote, says that's how long effective current vax is, sounds like too much fucking hustle for me. That's like wearing a seatbelt that will work maybe, up to your luck to test it and I need to buy one every 7 months. Also acting like a smug faggot who thinks you are the right one and everyone else are conspiracy theorists is quite hypocritical, you are acting not much different then the same people you criticize. People have their own free will and it's up to them decide what they want to do.

Just because it isn't right 100% doesn't mean it isn't right ever at all. Quite often it is. Science is a tool we use to observe the world around us and adapt to surviving in it, not something we believe or not.

We get boosters all the time for things like tetanus or in the US rabies. For the flu there's a yearly vaccination. Or better yet, for people with chronic issues they have to keep taking medication all the time without fail, and if there's an issue they can't stop it in one go they need to talk to their doctor and discuss dosages & the like.

This is how life is. Now we are in the face of an epidemic we can beat it down. But of course, doing so is too much effort. Heaven help them if back in the 2000s terrorists decided to use Biological warfare. If this is the attitude if the western world to handling an epidemi.you guys would be fucked, and Islam would own your asses.

because when were conspiracy theories ever right

what forum is this, a place for enabling conspiracy theorists, or a site for laughing at schizos?

 

[NickGer]

Just because it isn't right 100% doesn't mean it isn't right ever at all. Quite often it is. Science is a tool we use to observe the world around us and adapt to surviving in it, not something we believe or not.

We get boosters all the time for things like tetanus or in the US rabies. For the flu there's a yearly vaccination. Or better yet, for people with chronic issues they have to keep taking medication all the time without fail, and if there's an issue they can't stop it in one go they need to talk to their doctor and discuss dosages & the like.

This is how life is. Now we are in the face of an epidemic we can beat it down. But of course, doing so is too much effort. Heaven help them if back in the 2000s terrorists decided to use Biological warfare. If this is the attitude if the western world to handling an epidemi.you guys would be fucked, and Islam would own your asses.

So how I am supposed to tell they are right this time? There are two sides of scientists who say different things, do you know with 100% certainty who's right? Maybe I just prefer to trust myself and my judgment and feeling? I have full right to do so and who the fuck are you to question it? Do you have moral authority over people who you disagree with? Science is a tool as you said and I don't have moral or law obligation to follow everything they say. I don't get any boosters and live well. I got the mandatory vax in elementary school against diseases and I don't have to worry about them until end of my days and I'm happy with it. So you're saying people who don't bend over and do precisely the things your government wants are bad? I think people like you are the problem and why West is fucked. Zero scepticism and full obedience. For the greater good. Excellent drone. The last time my country dealt with Islam and Muslims was like 500 years ago and we run over them so hard they were running faster then Usain Bolt. Not really sure what your imaginary cope scenario has anything to do with this discussion. But based on your Reddit formatting I suggest containing yourself there. And every conspiracy theory even if I turns out to be true is schizo? Looks like classic projection of your own traits on others.

 

[That_Guy]

We get boosters all the time for things like tetanus or in the US rabies. For the flu there's a yearly vaccination.

Tetanus is every ten years, Or 5+possible exposure. Flu vaccine is a variation on the same thing to try and target the likeliest strains, re-done every year because they keep changing. Repeats of the exact same thing, this frequently is not at all like a normal booster/updated vaccine. What's so different that it's ineffective so quickly, and why no need to account for changes in the virus? "It's not working, Do it more!" Is pretty much a summary of the approach here and it's not at all how these are normally used. WHY? It looks screwy as hell and without a clear explanation. Not really surprising some people want to take a wait-and-see approach.

 

[redcent]

So how I am supposed to tell they are right this time? There are two sides of scientists who say different things, do you know with 100% certainty who's right? Maybe I just prefer to trust myself and my judgment and feeling? I have full right to do so and who the fuck are you to question it?

So you want me to not question you, but obedience to authority is bad

How about I treat you like you want others to treat authority

Or if that's to upsetting, try learning how things work rather than relying on blind instinct.

Do you have moral authority over people who you disagree with? Science is a tool as you said and I don't have moral or law obligation to follow everything they say. I don't get any boosters and live well. I got the mandatory vax in elementary school against diseases and I don't have to worry about them until end of my days..

...until you get a nail in your foot. Then it's a tetanus booster shot for you

and I'm happy with it. So you're saying people who don't bend over and do precisely the things your government wants are bad?

More like I see them as nongs.

I think people like you are the problem and why West is fucked. Zero scepticism and full obedience. For the greater good. Excellent drone.

Herein lies the problem. You get people with somewhat reasonable arguments why not to take the vax. Then there are folks who come up with this and I think, "no, they don't have any solid reasons. They're just so terrified of being "obedient" or "controlled" that they'll ignore common sense and become a hindrance to solving a problem." This is the weakness I'm seeing. So much fear of being controlled you guys go head first into the rabbit hole rather than following common sense.

But hey, you want to question it? Fine. You can sit back and risk your life and see how "drones" do it.

United we stand, divided we fall. Let's test that then

The last time my country dealt with Islam and Muslims was like 500 years ago and we run over them so hard they were running faster then Usain Bolt. Not really sure what your imaginary cope scenario has anything to do with this discussion. But based on your Reddit formatting I suggest containing yourself there.

Bold of you to assume I'm into reddit. Lol. You gonna start looking for a nonexistant tumblr too?

Wether it's simply a virus that's come from the wild or some kind of bio weapon, it's shown a weakness. IMO you should overcome it. But of course, you won't listen to me. Walls are up.

Edit: if you've got your pants in a twist about me "obeying" my government, it's not that. Frankly I think nsw gov has been pulling some dodgy shit like picking the worst time to get up gladys' ass. Then there's Dom's way if handling omicron. It isn't the gov I'm backing it's the health experts. When it come to doctors and such, you can question, see how things work. But chucking a shit? Not doing as your told? In the world of health, that's what gets you sick, that's what gets you killed. Just my POV

 

[redcent]

Tetanus is every ten years, Or 5+possible exposure.

Because we don't usually get exposed that often. It just goes to show even in the best if times, the immune system "forgets" and needs reminding on what to do. Also tetanus is a lot slower acting, which is why doing it when exposed works.

In an epidemic, we don't have that luxury of letting our immune system "forget".

Flu vaccine is a variation on the same thing to try and target the likeliest strains, re-done every year because they keep changing.

But it is all because of a new strain.

Repeats of the exact same thing, this frequently is not at all like a normal booster/updated vaccine.

Because we are in an epidemic. There are too many places for the virus to mutate. Be it third world countries or little groups of anti vaxxers doing their little protest thing

What's so different that it's ineffective so quickly,

See above

and why no need to account for changes in the virus? "It's not working, Do it more!" Is pretty much a summary of the approach here and it's not at all how these are normally used. WHY? It looks screwy as hell and without a clear explanation. Not really surprising some people want to take a wait-and-see approach.

Wait and see then if that's what you want

Double post. I soz.

 

[NickGer]

So you want me to not question you, but obedience to authority is bad

How about I treat you like you want others to treat authority

Or if that's to upsetting, try learning how things work rather than relying on blind instinct.


...until you get a nail in your foot. Then it's a tetanus booster shot for you

More like I see them as nongs.


Herein lies the problem. You get people with somewhat reasonable arguments why not to take the vax. Then there are folks who come up with this and I think, "no, they don't have any solid reasons. They're just so terrified of being "obedient" or "controlled" that they'll ignore common sense and become a hindrance to solving a problem." This is the weakness I'm seeing. So much fear of being controlled you guys go head first into the rabbit hole rather than following common sense.

But hey, you want to question it? Fine. You can sit back and risk your life and see how "drones" do it.

United we stand, divided we fall. Let's test that then


Bold of you to assume I'm into reddit. Lol. You gonna start looking for a nonexistant tumblr too?

Wether it's simply a virus that's come from the wild or some kind of bio weapon, it's shown a weakness. IMO you should overcome it. But of course, you won't listen to me. Walls are up.

I don't care how you treat me, all I see is just someone who has problems with accepting different opinions and someone who can't cope when people don't do something you see as right and it upsets you Everyone who are adult can do what they see is right. Oh so you're epidemic expert and a virologist too? Impressive. I can trust whatever I want. I learn my entire life and I don't have to learn your "truth". It's just your opinion. Well glad to see you're making progress and finally respecting someone choices. Maybe there will be something out of you.
I did step on nail 2 months ago and it did pierce half of my foot, but I didn't run to hospital and a it ended on a tad bit of blood, didn't die and so far I'm not an amputee. Pulled it out and that's about it, I really didn't need any boosters or professional surgeon to endure it or to deal with it. So your problem is that you can't cope with people having different opinion? I don't have to assume anything. I just know you are Redditor by your world view. Well I'm still alive and so are majority of people in my area who didn't take the vax. At least I don't live in fear and I can respect other people choices and opinions. Sounds like you are the only one having the problem?

 

[redcent]

I don't care how you treat me, all I see is just someone who has problems with accepting different opinions and

Feelings mutual

someone who can't cope when people don't do something you see as right and it upsets you

Yeah, it involves people risking their lives and the lives of others. Course I'm going to get upset. Course Im going to have a hard cope. This is going to be a topic that will be heated. Maybe try seeing what other folk have been putting with during this epidemic other than having a booster. Some people are dealing with a lot of shit in real life.

Everyone who are adult can do what they see is right. Oh so you're epidemic expert and a virologist too?

No. I just used my head and learned a bit. You want question the science? Question it then.

Impressive. I can trust whatever I want. I learn my entire life and I don't have to learn your "truth". It's just your opinion. Well glad to see you're making progress and finally respecting someone choices. Maybe there will be something out of you.

Gay

I did step on nail 2 months ago and it did pierce half of my foot, but I didn't run to hospital and a it ended on a tad bit of blood, didn't die and so far I'm not an amputee. Pulled it out and that's about it, I really didn't need any boosters or professional surgeon to endure it or to deal with it.

Ah, I see. Another strong independent woman who don't need no jab

So your problem is that you can't cope with people having different opinion? I don't have to assume anything.

I just know you are Redditor by your world view.

Lol is that your "gut" telling you that? "I just know" great critical thinking skill there.

Well I'm still alive and so are majority of people in my area who didn't take the vax. At least I don't live in fear and I can respect other people choices and opinions. Sounds like you are the only one having the problem?

See, maybe this is your problem. Or if you will, the same problem you have as me. You've been living in a world where anti vaxxers are the authority and it wasn't questioned. But now you're here and it is being questioned, and you're getting upset.

I'm glad your people are okay. I really am. But people in other places are dying. Not everyone has your luck. And those who do, it doesn't last.

 

[NickGer]

Yeah, it involves people risking their lives and the lives of others. Course I'm going to get upset. Course Im going to have a hard cope. This is going to be a topic that will be heated. Maybe try seeing what other folk have been putting with during this epidemic other than having a booster. Some people are dealing with a lot of shit in real life.

Lol, cope. Not my problem, everyone deal with a lot of shit in their life so idk what the fuck are you trying to say here but it looks like desperate attempt on whatever you're trying to achieve here.

No. I just used my head and learned a bit. You want question the science? Question it then.

Already did by my actions.

Gay

Cope.

Ah, I see. Another strong independent woman who don't need no jab

Yeah, I'm just not a little faggot who runs to mommy after I cut my finger.

Lol is that your "gut" telling you that? "I just know" great critical thinking skill there.

Yeah average redditor is not capable of understanding other opinions and he gets progressively more aroused by it and has the needs to force his world view on others.

See, maybe this is your problem. Or if you will, the same problem you have as me. You've been living in a world where anti vaxxers are the authority and it wasn't questioned. But now you're here and it is being questioned, and you're getting upset.

Yeah I truly live in a world where antivaxers are in government and propose more restrictions toward vaxed, almost like it's the other way around.

I'm glad your people are okay. I really am. But people in other places are dying. Not everyone has your luck. And those who do, it doesn't last.

Well too bad, cope and seethe, not my issue. People die every day in wars, genocides and nobody gives a shit. Why would I give a shit too about this? Already wasted enough of my time talking to a wall. Godspeed.

 

[redcent]

Lol, cope. Not my problem, everyone deal with a lot of shit in their life so idk what the fuck are you trying to say here but it looks like desperate attempt on whatever you're trying to achieve here.

Maybe use your head then

Already did by my actions.

I didn't see any questioning. Just "my guts says no" you call that questioning? You call that thinking?

Cope.

Still gay

Yeah, I'm just not a little faggot who runs to mommy after I cut my finger.

More like someone who's only problem in life was a cut finger.

Oh, and a nail in the foot. Which he didn't treat. And probably gave him hepatitis. Which I doubt he got tested for.

Yeah average redditor is not capable of understanding other opinions and he gets progressively more aroused by it and has the needs to force his world view on others.

Kinda like you

Are you a redditor?

Yeah I truly live in a world where antivaxers are in government and propose more restrictions toward vaxed, almost like it's the other way around.

Yet you said the majority people around you were anti vax.

Looks like the majority rules there

Well too bad, cope and seethe, not my issue. People die every day in wars, genocides and nobody gives a shit. Why would I give a shit too about this?

So you don't give a shit about anyone but yourself? Lovely

Already wasted enough of my time talking to a wall.

More like you've wasted time putting up one yourself

You don't like it? STFU

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Science isn't always right, back in 50's science said smoking cigarettes isn't dangerous to your health and how asbestos is safe to use. I trust my gut more then any scientist paid by government. If something isn't fully effective then I don't see a point of using it. Getting booster every 7 months cause the same science you quote, says that's how long effective current vax is, sounds like too much fucking hustle for me. That's like wearing a seatbelt that will work maybe, up to your luck to test it and I need to buy one every 7 months. Also acting like a smug faggot who thinks you are the right one and everyone else are conspiracy theorists is quite hypocritical, you are acting not much different then the same people you criticize. People have their own free will and it's up to them decide what they want to do.

Science is right far more often than not, and I think I will trust the people who study a subject for a living a lot more than people who post on PatriotBlog1488 and get their science info from Boomer Facebook memes and 4chan

because when were conspiracy theories ever right

So you think that the vaccines are giving us 5G coverage and infecting us with nanobots? Good to know you're a schizo retard then.

What I’ve been getting at this entire time is that I’m more on your side than his Hulk, my argument is however that the reason those numbers of vaccinated people dying probably exist is because the vaccine isn’t all that effective. It’s not “Oh this thing is killing people” or “It gives you AIDS”, to me those are dumb arguments. Yeah I believe people who are vaccinated still get it and die. But it’s because the vaccine hasn’t really been developed properly yet not because the governments of the world are going through some wild experiment with Eugenics and the Vaccine has nanobots that 5G is using to control your thoughts and give you cancer and stuff. The simple explanation is that the vaccine is maybe only 30-40% effective in its current form at best, and right now they need to refine it and get a handle on what exactly the DNA of this thing is and probably fine tune it. I’ve also heard a theory that even if you are vaccinated the virus can stay dormant in your system and flare up again at a later date. I can’t source this at all because it’s just something I had a conversation about, but if that’s the case with how contagious it is, unless you’re living in like a Cave or a Jungle chances are you’ve already come into contact with it.

Except the unvaccinated are dying in far higher amounts than the vaccinated are. At least according to official numbers. However, to conspiracy theorists, these numbers can't be trusted because they're from hospitals and the government. I am not saying you're a conspiracy theorist, because you don't seem to be, but the others who are.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Possible good news for anyone looking to become a glowie:

This is stickied to the front page of USAJOBS, the go-to site for federal employment.

Fingers crossed the injunction holds, because if so then all you renegade anti-social unvaccinated rebel scum wont have to Do Your Part (TM) to get a fed job.
Furthermore, if it holds at the federal level, then most corporate and all but the bluest of state jobs are going to fold as well.

They have work in tandem together to get a foothold on this outbreak. Everyone needs to put in a concerted effort for this to work.

No.

What if I don't give a shit about stopping this virus?
Has it ever crossed your mind that some people just don't want to fight in your stupid war on viral evolution?

 

[JambledUpWords]

But those numbers are from actual medical scientists and doctors and not PatriotBlog1488.com so you won't believe it

Boomer

Facebook memes

4chan

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What if I don't give a shit about stopping this virus?
Has it ever crossed your mind that some people just don't want to fight in your stupid war on viral evolution?

If we had retards like you 70 years ago we'd still have polio and smallpox.

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It's cute when you anti-vaxers get upset at me. At least you aren't spastically flailing around in the covidiot thread because we're making fun of your community anymore

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

False.
1) Smallpox has an extremely low rate of mutation compared to SARS-CoV-2, to the point that the later has proliferated greater genetic diversity in two years than the former has in centuries.

2) Polio has an exponentially (and I mean literal use of the word "exponential" here) smaller mutation rate than SARS-CoV-2. Polio has a mutation rate of 0.00009, while SARS-CoV-2 has a mutation rate of 0.04-0.06. That means that the virus that causes COVID mutates roughly 1000 times as fast as does Polio. Pair this with being more infectious and and airborne, aerosolized virus; while polio is (comparatively) less infectious and spread more through fecal contamination and close-range (non-flee floating) droplets.
People washing their hands after wiping their asses was just as much a part in reducing smallpox as was vaccination.

Of course, if we had retards like you who deny the existence of natural immunity over 100 years ago we wouldn't have a smallpox vaccine in the first place; considering the OG smallpox vaccine was literally getting intentionally sick with a weaker sister species (cowpox or horsepox) .

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

False.
1) Smallpox has an extremely low rate of mutation compared to SARS-CoV-2, to the point that the later has proliferated greater genetic diversity in two years than the former has in centuries.

2) Polio has an exponentially (and I mean literal use of the word "exponential" here) smaller mutation rate than SARS-CoV-2. Polio has a mutation rate of 0.00009, while SARS-CoV-2 has a mutation rate of 0.04-0.06. That means that the virus that causes COVID mutates roughly 1000 times as fast as does Polio. Pair this with being more infectious and and airborne, aerosolized virus; while polio is (comparatively) less infectious and spread more through fecal contamination and close-range (non-flee floating) droplets.
People washing their hands after wiping their asses was just as much a part in reducing smallpox as was vaccination.

Of course, if we had retards like you who deny the existence of natural immunity over 100 years ago we wouldn't have a smallpox vaccine in the first place; considering the OG smallpox vaccine was literally getting intentionally sick with a weaker sister species (cowpox or horsepox) .

Nah, we'd still have tards like you chimping out how the vaccine was super duper dangerous and way more dangerous than the virus itself. Of course, this isn't true with regards to the polio, smallpox or the covid vaccine, but it doesn't stop you tards from saying it

 

[redcent]

No.

What if I don't give a shit about stopping this virus?
Has it ever crossed your mind that some people just don't want to fight in your stupid war on viral evolution?

How cucked.

Yeah some people aren't fighters. When they're in icu they don't want to fight, they just give up and die. Very depressing.