Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Spud]

with vax passport and most restrictions now gone from my area i've now demoted my vaccine priority from "probably not" to "never"

it feels good not to be a big pharma guinea pig AND have all my rights back

Funnily enough it's the same here, They started to get rid of vax requirements and a lot of people got upset over cause that was the only reason they took it

 

[redcent]

Cucked?
How is it cucked to directly go against the mainstream position pushed by government, media, big corporations and international organizations?

You're not going against shit but health professionals trying to help. You wanna go against say an ambulance dude who's trying to save your life if things go south?

You want to say science and health should never be trusted and your more likely to die listening to them? Try bowing never to call 911 or whatever your emergency number is and never getting help if you or your loved ones ever get sick. You're going to end up dead real fast that way. Fact of life

The fuck do the boomers & fatoids who somehow manage to end up in ICU from this mild shit have to do with it?

What about all the anti vaxxers in icu kicking their asses telling nongs lile you get the jab and quit risking your life for bullshit?

Can't throw enough rainbows at this. We will never get this under control, it is here to stay forever and we need to accept that and move on. You're chasing an unachievable goal that will require you to trample over countless lives into perpetuity.

Just because other countries can't get their shit together doesn't mean no one else can. And Wether it's this virus or another that comes along you need to get said shit together or you'll end up screwed

What is this anti vaxxer cope people like you are obsessed with? This notion that if everyone would just get the jab and wear their shitty cloth mask everything would be over is ridiculous. Vaxxed masked wearers are just as responsible if not more so for spreading coof. It's like these ridiculous incidents of women getting hysterical over people not wearing masks on planes.

If you think they don't work why did poor australia who's in such terrible "concentration camp" conditions get through delta last December?

Vax and masks mean nothing in terms of eradicating covid,

Yet nsw had it under control, and we will again. You just don't care cause you're stuck in your hug box

the only way that will ever be accomplished is by a global lockdown, like a proper one not all the pussy footing we did before. And that's just flat out impossible, the infrastructure simply doesn't exist to support that. As I said before, getting rid of covid is a pipe dream.


"Too much effort". You throw that around like the aggressive human rights violations needed to actually stop covid are just some empty concern. To truly eradicate covid would require climbing over a mountain over corpses and keeping the rest of the GLOBAL population quarantined to their houses for months while barely scraping by on rations.

Human rights violations? Like what? You're not getting forced at gun point to do these things, just living with consequences of being an obvious infection vector

Besides, this is coming from A&H tards. The same sort of incel who'd wank over handmaids tale and being racists as fuck. Your the last kind of person to ever cry about human rights violation. You could stand to have a few extra rules thrown at you, which are harmless compared to psycho shit A&H want

Why is not wanting to be controlled by the psychotic oligarchs in power so ridiculous to you? These demons would literally eat babies to extend their lives and sell the entire country for a nickel if that was the best deal they could get. Why aren't you afraid of evil people having more power over you?

You actually believe this. You guys really are schizos

Why aren't numbers from the government highly suspect from you? I can accept words directly from a medical worker, but I can't take anything from a politician or journalist seriously.

I can because I am not a schizo

Science isn't about being right or wrong. Science is a process and people end up being right or wrong (or just fucking lying) while using it. It's not science I'm worried about, it's people.

Ditto. People like you

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Just because other countries can't get their shit together doesn't mean no one else can. And Wether it's this virus or another that comes along you need to get said shit together or you'll end up screwed

No actually it quite literally does, unless we lock down the borders for good. We could eradicate covid here but if we keep importing people from countries who haven't then there would be no point. With a disease this contagious it's either eradicate it all or live with it.

If you think they don't work why did poor australia who's in such terrible "concentration camp" conditions get through delta last December?

What are you talking about? What does "get through" mean? Every country got through delta, do you mean they had 0 deaths, completely eradicated it, or what? Because that's what I was referring to, complete eradication. You'd have to be far more authoritarian than Australia to wipe it out altogether.

Yet nsw had it under control, and we will again. You just don't care cause you're stuck in your hug box

Emphasis on HAD. Masks and vax just mitigate spreading, if you want it gone you have to stop spreading altogether. For something like covid that means extreme lockdowns for a lengthy period and honestly that might not even work. Also, Australia is a shit example since they have closed borders by default, most countries don't have that luxury.

Human rights violations? Like what? You're not getting forced at gun point to do these things, just living with consequences of being an obvious infection vector

You're so confused, my point is to eradicate covid you would have to force people to do things at gun point. You would need absolute compliance, and there's no way to achieve that that doesn't involve mountains of corpses.

Besides, this is coming from A&H tards. The same sort of incel who'd wank over handmaids tale and being racists as fuck. Your the last kind of person to ever cry about human rights violation. You could stand to have a few extra rules thrown at you, which are harmless compared to psycho shit A&H want

Dude holy shit you are so mad lmfao. The A&H boogie man has rotted your brain.

You actually believe this. You guys really are schizos

No I don't LITERALLY believe the elite are demons you fucking sped. I was hamming it up for fun. I think they're selfish assholes and quite a large number of them are sociopaths who don't a shit about you or me. You'd have to be braindead to think politicians actually care about you.

I can because I am not a schizo

t. Guy who would have happily tossed Jews into furnaces.

Ditto. People like you

"I am deeply afraid of randos on the internet named after fog spunk. They are the schizos btw not me."
Jesus fucking Christ take a chill pill man, your heart is strained enough from the vaccine as is.

 

[Akashic Retard]

If you think pharmaceutical companies have an incentive to make sure every last person on Earth consumes their product indefinitely then you are a schizo. People in the healthcare industry are selfless paragons who only want to help and have zero self interest. You should have learned this in public school.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Fun history fact, not only did the Australians declare war on a big bird and get beaten, but they also declared war on European rabbits and lost, they even used biological warfare.

That's why whereas all world leaders are lizards in disguise, in Australia it's actually rabbits.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Fun history fact, not only did the Australians declare war on a big bird and get beaten, but they also declared war on European rabbits and lost, they even used biological warfare.

That's why whereas all world leaders are lizards in disguise, in Australia it's actually rabbits.

To be fair, Emus are fucking scary. If I had to face an army of them I'd be waving that French flag ASAP.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

>That's not true at all. Where did you get that?
Have you literally never opened a history book? Galen?
>know more about a virus and vaccine than doctors and medical scientists
No one is arguing that though. They're arguing that they're not infallible, and are open to being questioned.
>So I guess since you know more than experts, you demand to fly planes when you're on an airplane
No, but I also don't fly with certain airlines because they're known to not follow proper safety precautions.

So you have no source then. Show me a source saying medical science, particularly in the past 50 years, has been incorrect more often than correct.

You say this a lot, but I don't think anyone here claims to know more than doctors. Personally speaking it's just that I don't trust the words of doctors filtered through politicians and journalists, especially when a lot of the doctors should no be commenting on covid in the first place.


I have been able to diagnose myself before doctors have in some instances, and that's after weeks of visits. Technical professionals are just as retarded as then gen population, and I say that as a technical professional.

Bullshit dude. You tards are saying doctors and medical scientists are all wrong about vaccines. What do you know that they don't?

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Bullshit dude. You tards are saying doctors and medical scientists are all wrong about vaccines. What do you know that they don't?

Saying someone is wrong is different than saying you know more than they do. Case and point:


I've not personally made either claim though, my data typically comes from pro vax sources.

 

[mr.moon1488]

So you have no source then. Show me a source saying medical science, particularly in the past 50 years, has been incorrect more often than correct.


Bullshit dude. You tards are saying doctors and medical scientists are all wrong about vaccines. What do you know that they don't?

I'm going to ignore the fact that you're asking for a source for a statement that is mostly considered common knowledge. Just drugs alone, only about 10 to 15 percent actually pass clinical trials. Of those, it's safe to say that a fair number of them will eventually be pulled from the market after side effects that were not discovered during the trials were found later down the line. Of course, this only represents a tiny fraction of the wrong scientific conclusions as many treatments and drugs are not found to be faulty until many decades down the road. Zantac for instance was approved for OTC use in 2004 and was pulled from the market last year as N-Nitrosodimethylamine was found to be a carcinogen.

This is all just recent stuff. If you were to open any random medical textbook from about 100 years ago, a lot of the information in it would have been found to be quackery.

 

[Akashic Retard]

Experts say opioids are safe and non-addictive, and I trust them. They know better than me.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Saying someone is wrong is different than saying you know more than they do. Case and point:
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I've not personally made either claim though, my data typically comes from pro vax sources.

What data is that? You're saying the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself and super dangerous, but the real data shows otherwise.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you're asking for a source for a statement that is mostly considered common knowledge. Just drugs alone, only about 10 to 15 percent actually pass clinical trials. Of those, it's safe to say that a fair number of them will eventually be pulled from the market after side effects that were not discovered during the trials were found later down the line. Of course, this only represents a tiny fraction of the wrong scientific conclusions as many treatments and drugs are not found to be faulty until many decades down the road. Zantac for instance was approved for OTC use in 2004 and was pulled from the market last year as N-Nitrosodimethylamine was found to be a carcinogen.

This is all just recent stuff. If you were to open any random medical textbook from about 100 years ago, a lot of the information in it would have been found to be quackery.

That's still not a source to back up your claim. A few drugs out of thousands being pulled is hardly evidence that medical science is usually wrong, and thus, folks who take pride in being uneducated and hating education like you know more than doctors and medical scientists about a vaccine. The fact that only 10-15% of drugs pass clinical trials shows the opposite of what you claim, it shows they do actually pure care into making sure works and is safe

Using your own logic, conspiracy blogs, which you get your data from, are usually wrong. Therefore, you're wrong. Quite easily done.

 

[Wood]

The fact that only 10-15% of drugs pass clinical trials shows the opposite of what you claim, it shows they do actually pure care into making sure works and is safe

You are aware that the coof vaxxes never passed the same clinical trials, right?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You are aware that the coof vaxxes never passed the same clinical trials, right?

It passed for emergency use, and it hasn't failed the trials. But you missed the point there, chief.

 

[AnOminous]

Science isn't always right, back in 50's science said smoking cigarettes isn't dangerous to your health and how asbestos is safe to use.

Asbestos I'll give you, but we knew inhaling smoke was a bad idea all along. Some individual doctors who were paid to lie said it was okay, or the slightly sneakier version where they said a particular brand was healthier. Fun fact: one cigarette (Kent) literally had asbestos filters. They trademarked them as "Micronite filters" and had doctors endorse them.

This wasn't even the relatively harmless kind of asbestos, either, but the blue asbestos shit that is virtually guaranteed to fuck your shit up.

Science, particularly medical science is like a game of Russian roulette with five cylinders loaded with live rounds and one cylinder loaded with a cure.

These radium products weren't marketed and sold by scientists, though, but mostly by unlicensed quacks with no degree or qualifications of any kind. The radium products merchants are much more akin to the quacks pushing ivermectin, which there is zero evidence does anything at all of use against COVID.

 

[mr.moon1488]

What data is that? You're saying the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself and super dangerous, but the real data shows otherwise.


That's still not a source to back up your claim. A few drugs out of thousands being pulled is hardly evidence that medical science is usually wrong, and thus, folks who take pride in being uneducated and hating education like you know more than doctors and medical scientists about a vaccine. The fact that only 10-15% of drugs pass clinical trials shows the opposite of what you claim, it shows they do actually pure care into making sure works and is safe

Using your own logic, conspiracy blogs, which you get your data from, are usually wrong. Therefore, you're wrong. Quite easily done.

Many of those trials did get it wrong though, but that's completely aside from the point. All of those rejected drugs were ultimately failures that came from the same people you're hailing as infallible. The point I was making is that science is overwhelmingly trial and error. Naturally, there are far more errors in any science than there are successes. None of those drugs would have ever made it to clinical trials in the first place if you didn't have literally thousands of scientists that thought they were right but needed to be proven wrong.

Asbestos I'll give you, but we knew inhaling smoke was a bad idea all along. Some individual doctors who were paid to lie said it was okay, or the slightly sneakier version where they said a particular brand was healthier. Fun fact: one cigarette (Kent) literally had asbestos filters. They trademarked them as "Micronite filters" and had doctors endorse them.

This wasn't even the relatively harmless kind of asbestos, either, but the blue asbestos shit that is virtually guaranteed to fuck your shit up.

These radium products weren't marketed and sold by scientists, though, but mostly by unlicensed quacks with no degree or qualifications of any kind. The radium products merchants are much more akin to the quacks pushing ivermectin, which there is zero evidence does anything at all of use against COVID.

Yes, and that was an error that largely contributed to requiring said qualifications. The point I'm making is that you do have more errors in scientific advancement than what you do successes. Additionally, while Radium products were mostly marketed by quacks, the quacks had based it off of a real experiment done by a French veterinary school in 1911. The people consuming Radium unquestioningly, very much thought they were trusting the science but were instead trusting people trying to make a quick buck.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Many of those trials did get it wrong though, but that's completely aside from the point. All of those rejected drugs were ultimately failures that came from the same people you're hailing as infallible. The point I was making is that science is overwhelmingly trial and error. Naturally, there are far more errors in any science than there are successes. None of those drugs would have ever made it to clinical trials in the first place if you didn't have literally thousands of scientists that thought they were right but needed to be proven wrong.

I never said they were infallible, I am just saying they know a lot more about medicine and a disease than you proudly uneducated people who hate education. If you legitimately think 99% of the world's scientists or doctors are wrong and you are right, well, you'd better have some evidence to back up your claims. You, however, have not produced any.

If anything, the companies and FDA having such strict standards that only 10-15% pass should give you confidence that the process is safe. Instead, you think you can trust unregulated supplement companies and conspiracy blogs over actual scientists and doctors. Conspiracy blogs are never wrong, according to you. So Trump came back and JFK Jr is his Vice President, right?

 

[mr.moon1488]

I never said they were infallible, I am just saying they know a lot more about medicine and a disease than you proudly uneducated people who hate education. If you legitimately think 99% of the world's scientists or doctors are wrong and you are right, well, you'd better have some evidence to back up your claims. You, however, have not produced any.

>I never said they were infallible
Then why trust them without question?
>proudly uneducated people who hate education
It amazes me how you can so easily miss the irony of throwing this line towards people who are questioning things rather than just blindly trusting things.
>99% of the world's scientists or doctors are wrong
There are plenty who are skeptical. The inventor of the mRNA vaccine, Robert Malone was banned on Twitter not too long ago for being skeptical.
>you'd better have some evidence to back up your claims
Why? I'm not the one demanding other people do anything. If people want to shoot themselves up with something sketchy then that's perfectly fine. Do you have evidence that justifies forcing people to take the vaccine?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Are there any new talking points from the Covidians yet? It's the same old for over a year now. Thread is getting stale and in need of new content.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

What data is that? You're saying the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself and super dangerous, but the real data shows otherwise.

I'm not saying that though.

Are there any new talking points from the Covidians yet? It's the same old for over a year now. Thread is getting stale and in need of new content.

We could debate AoC.

 

[redcent]

No actually it quite literally does, unless we lock down the borders for good. We could eradicate covid here but if we keep importing people from countries who haven't then there would be no point. With a disease this contagious it's either eradicate it all or live with it.

Doesn't have to be for good. Just until places like Africa get help.

What are you talking about? What does "get through" mean? Every country got through delta, do you mean they had 0 deaths, completely eradicated it, or what? Because that's what I was referring to, complete eradication. You'd have to be far more authoritarian than Australia to wipe it out altogether.

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NSW pretty much had the alpha strain eridacated earlier last year. You see delta coming in about august. When more people got double vaxxed, that amount dipped again. It shot straight up after omicron arrived but now it's dropping again

Emphasis on HAD. Masks and vax just mitigate spreading, if you want it gone you have to stop spreading altogether. For something like covid that means extreme lockdowns for a lengthy period and honestly that might not even work. Also, Australia is a shit example since they have closed borders by default, most countries don't have that luxury.


You're so confused, my point is to eradicate covid you would have to force people to do things at gun point. You would need absolute compliance, and there's no way to achieve that that doesn't involve mountains of corpses.

You don't need to put guns to people's faces you just need less flailing spastics

Dude holy shit you are so mad lmfao. The A&H boogie man has rotted your brain.

Point still stands. You can dish it out but you can't take it

No I don't LITERALLY believe the elite are demons you fucking sped.

Aka "jokes on you I was just pretending to be retarded"

I was hamming it up for fun. I think they're selfish assholes and quite a large number of them are sociopaths who don't a shit about you or me. You'd have to be braindead to think politicians actually care about you.

They are assholes, but the care enough to keep their voters alive. The journalists care enough to give voice to medical experts. And "big pharma" ? They care for their customers. They're not exactly that desperate for money considering how many people already need meds all the time. Just that you think just because they're in a company they're suddenly sociopaths only doing things for greed and spite.

t. Guy who would have happily tossed Jews into furnaces.

What.

"I am deeply afraid of randos on the internet named after fog spunk. They are the schizos btw not me."
Jesus fucking Christ take a chill pill man, your heart is strained enough from the vaccine as is.

Lol didn't even take the pfizer do you even know the difference between the different covid vaxxes out there or are you a lazy shit and just lump them all together?