Argue with vatniks over trains

[Doctor Love]

It is the base from which USA/NATO destabilizes Russia, breaks it up into smaller, more easily conquered territory and exploits its peoples/vast resources while also having a military presence on China's border.

This is not speculation, its been stated outright by the US neocons who have the current administration in thrall. Occam's razor and all that.

Yeah, and the rest of Europe also falls under that. The rest of Europe is also a base from which the USA destabilises Russia - we are actually at risk of it. And what's the phrase, possession is 9/10ths of the law - so if Russia is actually willing to attack, and most of our defences rely on the Americans - well, it would be easier to just hand it over to Russia and tell the Americans to fuck off.

So given our track record of fuck-up after fuck-up, and Russia's current trajectory of "winning the war against the only thing standing between the EU and Russia" - and the factor of "we have spent the last 30 years indoctrinating every citizen that defending your country is against our values" - what exactly would happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied

There's a fucking LOT of TV shows about smaller countries being occupied by larger ones, and the rest of the world going "ah welp, fuck, nothing we can do"

 

[Betonhaus]

What would the benefit of a train invasion be, anyways? Many governments would have enough time to evacuate to a secondary location or to a bunker where they can continue to direct police and whatever military services that they have left.

Let's pretend that a miracle occured and every train made it to the capitals of each country and was able to take over the legislatures of each nation and make them surrender at gunpoint. Then what? Any agreements they make will be considered under duress and void once the guns are away, so the army would have to main control of the capitals indefinitely. Since they don't always know the local language or culture and do not have the support of the people, every single day would be a battle solely for survival, one they will eventually lose. If they choose to execute entire parliaments that would temporarily incapacitate the country, but the country would eventually establish a new governing body that would likely enact revenge against Russia.

Any possible benefits are very, very short term and the whole ordeal would be incredibly costly. Russia would lose severely in the long run as all agreements would be null and void and they would be facing reprisals while a large majority of their army was sent off with no plan for their survival or return.

The sad thing is, to the American think tanks this seems to be a possibility, as they cannot even imagine an enemy that is capable of weighing short term benefits over long term benefits because THEY are incapable thinking long term. Save a penny at the cost of a dollar and all that.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Now you have hundreds, of if not thousands, of Russian soldiers deep inside EU territory. Do you now carpet bomb some sleepy Hungarian town because Biden says so?

You have to, or they’ll spread devastating amounts of AIDS

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Yeah, and the rest of Europe also falls under that. The rest of Europe is also a base from which the USA destabilises Russia - we are actually at risk of it. And what's the phrase, possession is 9/10ths of the law - so if Russia is actually willing to attack, and most of our defences rely on the Americans - well, it would be easier to just hand it over to Russia and tell the Americans to fuck off.

So given our track record of fuck-up after fuck-up, and Russia's current trajectory of "winning the war against the only thing standing between the EU and Russia" - and the factor of "we have spent the last 30 years indoctrinating every citizen that defending your country is against our values" - what exactly would happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied

There's a fucking LOT of TV shows about smaller countries being occupied by larger ones, and the rest of the world going "ah welp, fuck, nothing we can do"

After the dissolution of the USSR there was a period of cultural and academic exchange. Western academics etc., were surprised to learn the USSR had been in a defensive posture during the Cold War and not on the offensive against the West, as most believed. I think Russia still is in defensive mode and saw the impending placement of a NATO base in Ukraine as an aggressive move, so they consider the SMO is a defensive action. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, what matters is how Russia see it.

This conflict is testament to the lack of diplomacy by the West, because if our actions were truly benign then we would reassure Russia that was the case and make concessions. But we are not and instead trained and armed the Ukraine, which is being ground into dust as a result. They have exhausted the young men they drafted and are now drafting women, men over 40 and plan on conscripting 16 year old boys and girls. The nation of Ukraine is literally disappearing before us, egged on by the US and the EU to continue provoking its immediate neighbor to the East.

What is more likely is that the fanatics and mentally disturbed Ukrainian refugees will finally realize the US/Europe are responsible for their condition, and lash out so that in a few years we may conduct their own military operations in whatever remains of the Ukraine. Its what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, former allies the US armed and thus destabilized.

In the ultimate irony we may be forced to make an ally of Russia in order to put down the nationalist wackos of the Ukraine.

You have to, or they’ll spread devastating amounts of AIDS

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Still nowhere as high as America's or even the Ukraine's AIDS infection rates.

 

[Gondolindrim]

What would the benefit of a train invasion be, anyways? Many governments would have enough time to evacuate to a secondary location or to a bunker where they can continue to direct police and whatever military services that they have left.

Let's pretend that a miracle occured and every train made it to the capitals of each country and was able to take over the legislatures of each nation and make them surrender at gunpoint. Then what? Any agreements they make will be considered under duress and void once the guns are away, so the army would have to main control of the capitals indefinitely. Since they don't always know the local language or culture and do not have the support of the people, every single day would be a battle solely for survival, one they will eventually lose. If they choose to execute entire parliaments that would temporarily incapacitate the country, but the country would eventually establish a new governing body that would likely enact revenge against Russia.

Any possible benefits are very, very short term and the whole ordeal would be incredibly costly. Russia would lose severely in the long run as all agreements would be null and void and they would be facing reprisals while a large majority of their army was sent off with no plan for their survival or return.

The sad thing is, to the American think tanks this seems to be a possibility, as they cannot even imagine an enemy that is capable of weighing short term benefits over long term benefits because THEY are incapable thinking long term. Save a penny at the cost of a dollar and all that.

It is pretty funny how media makes you think that the initial taking of a city is the end of the story. After the fighting "officially" stops, you still need to watch the civvies, establish a new interim government, hunt down dissidents, and keep fresh troops flowing in.

 

[Doctor Love]

What would the benefit of a train invasion be, anyways? Many governments would have enough time to evacuate to a secondary location or to a bunker where they can continue to direct police and whatever military services that they have left.

Let's pretend that a miracle occured and every train made it to the capitals of each country and was able to take over the legislatures of each nation and make them surrender at gunpoint. Then what? Any agreements they make will be considered under duress and void once the guns are away, so the army would have to main control of the capitals indefinitely. Since they don't always know the local language or culture and do not have the support of the people, every single day would be a battle solely for survival, one they will eventually lose. If they choose to execute entire parliaments that would temporarily incapacitate the country, but the country would eventually establish a new governing body that would likely enact revenge against Russia.

Any possible benefits are very, very short term and the whole ordeal would be incredibly costly. Russia would lose severely in the long run as all agreements would be null and void and they would be facing reprisals while a large majority of their army was sent off with no plan for their survival or return.

I used a train as an example because it's a civil infrastructure, and unlike some people, I have doubts that our countries would just fucking annihilate trains which they think might be full of Russians.

The picture in my head of "Is the Engineer onboard just having a shit day, is the radio down? Better safe than sorry, open fire" - this applies to passenger planes, cargo ships, etc - trains are a good example because the train stations are usually so close to the city center that parliament might not be able to evacuate in time. They wouldn't be able to muster the defenses to stop the disembarked soldiers once they're in the capital, and the local police would also be powerless.

The same applies to anything which could, perceivably, bring a few hundred or thousand soldiers directly into the political core of a country without being noticed until it's too late.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

You have to, or they’ll spread devastating amounts of AIDS

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Fuck off, faggot

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Funny use of trains aside, the answer lies in drafting circus performers and invading using unassuming personal vehicles. They won't know what hit them once an entire company rolls out from a Renault Clio in the Aldi parking lot.

Remember: no Russian

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Still nowhere as high as America's or even the Ukraine's AIDS infection rates.

Well actually

Here’s Russia with the 33rd highest rate of HIV prevalence in the world, and then

Here’s the US down at 79. Still pretty bad, until you consider

And since our country is like 20% black people,

What’s Russia’s excuse? You guys don’t even have enough babies for that to be sex related. It’s intravenous opioid use among whites.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The picture in my head of "Is the Engineer onboard just having a shit day, is the radio down? Better safe than sorry, open fire" - this applies to passenger planes, cargo ships, etc - trains are a good example because the train stations are usually so close to the city center that parliament might not be able to evacuate in time. They wouldn't be able to muster the defenses to stop the disembarked soldiers once they're in the capital, and the local police would also be powerless.

After the first plane hit on 9/11 the US Air Force was prepared to shoot down any civilian aircraft that even looked suspicious until they were all on the ground. To this day they won't hesitate to shoot down an airliner with 300 civs on board if it's a threat. Before 9/11 not so much but all it took was that first one. One of your trains might make it to it's destination but none of the others would.

 

[BrainProlapse]

This train shit is so retarded it'd be rejected by Bollywood for being too unrealistic.

Ok so:

1. How do you expect they'd get many thousands of troops onto trains without intelligence assets knowing? Or even just the public? Why wouldn't Europe just block the track?
2. Ok say the magic train does make it to Paris, Berlin, etc. How effective do you think unsupported infantry will be?
3. How will they survive for even a day? And I don't mean raiding an Aldi I mean they will immediately be surrounded by incredibly pissed off local forces on their home turf with a hostile civilian population undermining the operation?
4. How does Russia survive having the entirity of NATO declare war?

 

[SpergioLeonne]

You do realize this thread is for discussion of the Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine and not the likelihood of you getting the AIDS from your Russian twink, right?

Reddit is that way ------->

Oh, my mistake. I was replying to the guy who thinks Russia should conquer NATO by riding trains. Then when you said something contradictory to my comment, I thought I had a right to defend my comment.

 

[Male Idiot]

I highly doubt US niggers report aids that well or accurately.

If it was only 70 people out of 100k, that is that's still below 1%. Not enough to infect a country unless gay Igor is the ultimate coom master who has a fag parade lined up and ready to shoot every 5 minute for weeks on end.

Huh maybe condoms were a (((feminist))) plot to prevent white childbirth....

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Oh, my mistake. I was replying to the guy who thinks Russia should conquer NATO by riding trains. Then when you said something contradictory to my comment, I thought I had a right to defend my comment.

Nigga. You are sperging about AIDS. I know you need to defend your homosexual lifestyle but this is the wrong thread.

 

[Doctor Love]

This train shit is so retarded it'd be rejected by Bollywood for being too unrealistic.

Ok so:

1. How do you expect they'd get many thousands of troops onto trains without intelligence assets knowing? Or even just the public? Why wouldn't Europe just block the track?
2. Ok say the magic train does make it to Paris, Berlin, etc. How effective do you think unsupported infantry will be?
3. How will they survive for even a day? And I don't mean raiding an Aldi I mean they will immediately be surrounded by incredibly pissed off local forces on their home turf with a hostile civilian population undermining the operation?
4. How does Russia survive having the entirity of NATO declare war?

1) Kind of easily, since by the time anybody notices that they are being subtly invaded, they wouldn't be able to actually respond. They would need to completely mobilise. You know, how it took Israel like a week to finally stop Hamas from killing its civilians, despite having a fucking wall?

2) Magic train makes it to Paris without being noticed. The soldiers disembark, and the local police are... unable to arrest them. They simply pull off an "Operation Kitona" style takeover - they seize control of the main station and overrun the local police and authorities. The local authorities, fearing their own execution, tell the incoming soldiers to "stand down" and negotiate their own release. Russia uses this negotiation time to move more assets into the country.

3) Well so long as the Russians are well behaved, and "immediately surrounded by incredibly pissed off local forces" - the German Bundeswehr wakes up, eager to fight, and bring their broomsticks to the front line. They find... the experienced Russians heavily entrenched, thousands of German civilians as collateral and now have to try to negotiate for it. Confused onlookers film it for TikTok. The local soldiers aren't going to shoot through their own civilians when they're not even sure if the Russians are there as invaders, or if it's some political stunt that they are witnessing.

4) The Germans (France is actually capable of defending itself outside of NATO) quietly surrender to the Russians, since they are now stuck between losing thousands of civilians and facing World War Three on their home turf, or saving face and trying to act like a big military power.

The thing is, three months ago, if I had said "Hamas might launch an assault on Israeli civilians by scaling the wall in paragliders, or using explosives and JCBs to destroy parts of it and flooding in, causing havoc while the IDF tries to stop them!" you would have been posting it on my profile too!


Magic train is just a stand-in for any kind of "way around the defenses for a relatively small portion of the many, many soldiers now positioned almost directly at the EU's border" - we would not have any way of actually dealing with it outside of diplomatically begging for mercy.

 

[Desu Mountain]

What’s Russia’s excuse?

It's heroin and shared needles. Krokodil when heroin is too expensive.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Nigga. You are sperging about AIDS. I know you need to defend your homosexual lifestyle but this is the wrong thread.

No, I was pointing out why a hypothetical small Hungarian village would definitely have to be sacrificed as collateral damage if it became infected with Russians, because they are by a vast margin the most AIDS-carrying population of arguably white people on earth

 

[Male Idiot]

No, I was pointing out why a hypothetical small Hungarian village would definitely have to be sacrificed as collateral damage if it became infected with Russians, because they are by a vast margin the most AIDS-carrying population of arguably white people on earth

Well good to see how Mutts don't count as white.

But you stop shitting the thread up with aids, and train autist stop sperging about trains.

This is geopolitics. Nobody would care about aids, they would blow up the village/train because the US gives no fucks about its servants.

It also doesn't matter that a few ukranian soldiers are neo nazi skinheads. The only effect it does is make Russians feel good boomer propaganda.

Since US and Zelensky jew cabal is in full control and we haven't heard of a single Azov chirp in two years, we can safely discount the piggie skinheads as important factors. They have no power over this CIA ops for good or ill.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No, I was pointing out why a hypothetical small Hungarian village would definitely have to be sacrificed as collateral damage if it became infected with Russians, because they are by a vast margin the most AIDS-carrying population of arguably white people on earth

Well, seeing how you are just making things up I have to assume you have a condition similar to Liz Fong-Jones and are blind as well as retarded. I know AIDS does that to a nigga. Here's the rules for this thread:

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

The soldiers disembark, and the local police are... unable to arrest them.

so long as the Russians are well behaved

since they are now stuck between losing thousands of civilians and facing World War Three on their home turf, or saving face and trying to act like a big military power.

Again, realistically, this plan doesn't work. But let's assume they manage to pull it off in one city. If this happens during the day, the likelihood the train is stopped along with all the others is very high. Let's not forget that if this happens at night, most of the government is asleep in their homes. They won't be in a centralized location, best you can hope for is detaining the head of the government by storming his personal residence and maybe some civilians. Government remains mostly intact.
The police refuse to move and prevent the Russian soldiers from reaching their objective. The police are shot by an invading force. Yuros mad. Retard plan is no longer bloodless. Confirmation of every Russian boogeyman theory ever. Tell me how the Russians wouldn't be interpreted as terrorists with even the people who are normally pro-Russian fucking infuriated?

Can we please stop with the fucking stupid head-in-the clouds takes that are shitting up this thread?