Argue with vatniks over trains

Spunt said:
All that would achieve would be justification for threatening Russian with EVEN MORE American weapons at the border, given that a gang of idiots just attempted the world's most retarded invasion.

Let me tell you what would happen. The train full of hostages is surrounded by Polish and American special forces. Trump 2024 calls up Putin and demands to know why the fuck there's been a border incursion by 150 morons and why he shouldn't scramble the B52s right now (they have already been scrambled). Putin tells Trump that they were deserters and orders them to surrender. They get on a plane back to St. Petersburg that undergoes a Special Disassembly Operation over the Baltic. The end.
Click to expand...
"Ah fuck, the Polish special forces will be here in only four hours! We must surrender, now - or we could just grab some cars, ditch the hostages and fuck off back across the border"
The Polish, now being gaslighted by the Russians who simply pretend nothing happened - are left with special forces, tracks of dust leading back to the border and innocently whistling guards.

Poland is insulted worldwide for its "crazy conspiracy theories"



Actually - on second thought - I'm pretty sure they could just stick the train on reverse and cancel the operation at any point. Assuming that they are not, somehow, surrounded by Polish civilians who are blocking the tracks with their bodies.
 
  • Dumb
  • Autistic
  • Like
Reactions: Seafarer, Towoman, Yak-130 Mitten and 9 others
Doctor Love said:
See now you are thinking along the right lines, with an army that size, though, they'd need to have some objective or way of asserting power rather than just burning shit for the sake of it.
Click to expand...
Yeah I was thinking instead of a rapid first strike they do a CIA and invade at their leisure after/while the countries are destabilized. Maybe do a stalin and adopt the more amenable criminals into a new Russia controlled governance structure.
 
  • Autistic
Reactions: The giant penis of doom
blur said:
Yeah I was thinking instead of a rapid first strike they do a CIA and invade at their leisure after/while the countries are destabilized. Maybe do a stalin and adopt the more amenable criminals into a new Russia controlled governance structure.
Click to expand...
That's what I'm getting at, they could do any of this shit at their leisure. They don't need to destabilise them, they're run by cowards and businessmen.
Bloodthirsty Nosenigger said:
"Aw shucks, you've captured my control point. GG, no re."
That's the logic your entire argument rests upon - countries surrendering because the enemy managed to sneak a raiding party through the border.
Click to expand...
Yeah, that's pretty much it. I mean, this may be my Western mindset bleeding through but the government will arrest me if I insult niggers in public. I do not see them as standing valiantly to defend Europe.
 
  • Autistic
  • Dumb
  • Agree
Reactions: Seafarer, Yak-130 Mitten, The giant penis of doom and 2 others
This entire train plan is like a paradrop invasion but about 800% more stupid. At least a Russian plane with a fake civilian transponder might be able to get over a European capital before anyone realises what's happening - I mean that weird German kid managed to land a Cessna in Red Square in the 80s. But any topple-the-government strike like that would have to be co-ordinated with a real invasion, otherwise all you did was stage an unprovoked warcrime on live TV.
 
  • Agree
  • Autistic
Reactions: WonderWino and The giant penis of doom
Doctor Love said:
In general, yeah, but they have upgraded most of the EU to the same as Western EU - and most recently, Lviv and Western Ukraine "signed" to change to the European one, too.

And like I said, once they cross into the EU proper, what is gonna happen? Airstrikes? Full mobilisation of the entire EU in the ~6 hours it would take for them to bring "surrender now" documents to Berlin?

What would we even be able to do in that scenario?

Let's say Russia wanted to really "split" the world in two. America and the UK on one side, and the EU on the other. The Russians have the policy, and likely true, belief that countries will not launch nukes unless they themselves are at risk.

What would the French do, the only nuclear power on the continent and most powerful EU military, if Germany was being held hostage? Chances are they'd say "Welp, America and the Rosboef are not here, I don't want to deal with ze fallout of zis. Honhonhon" and sign some kind of armistice.

It sounds absolutely crazy, but to be honest, Russia is practically unopposed on the continent, now. They have a mobilised force of half a million, and are fully aware that most of the EU uses proxy governments which have no "loyalty" from their people. I don't think anyone would willingly join up to defend Rishi Sunak's government, especially with the idea that Pakis will be chilling in their homes while white Brits die to protect them.

France, similarly - I don't think Jean-Claude would lay down his life so that "le niggeurs" can live in France.
Click to expand...

This is retarded for numerous reasons.

Firstly, France isn't the only nation on the continent with Nukes. A few have them as part of NATO's MAD policy. Germany has them, so no chance of an invasion.

Russia isn't unopposed in any way. NATO and the EU practically had to stop Poland from rushing across the border for some 100 year old revenge. Most nations in Western Europe are either directly in NATO or part of the wider alliance.

European militaries are operating under the very idea of an invasion from Russia and have done so for the better part of a century. You don't need extensive numbers in this era to win wars - European militaries are vastly more well equipped in every aspect of warfare compared to Russia - including the training of both Regular and Territorial forces.

Russia would get as far as half way through Poland before both EU and NATO would be turning their armour and personnel back to dust in the wind. Ukraine held off, and pushed back. You seriously think that Russia could do shit to Europe or any fully developed nation?

Why do people assume Nukes are so easily used on either side? Both sides of the cold war went through much worse and much more volatile scenarios, and neither side pulled the trigger on Nukes. Why would that suddenly change? There would be no reason to even use them - nations aren't exactly eager on extensive occupation; even if Russia Proper or Europe Proper was attacked, outside of ethnic regions of claim, no one wants to occupy anything. The overall outcome of war now isn't occupation - it's political overlording.

Plus, even if nukes did fly between Russia and the west, any impact of an ICBM in Europe or Asia would result in nuclear particulation across the continent. MAD has worked because even the most brain dead retarded narcissist realizes that crossing that barrier means absolute destruction even if the enemy can't get a shot off in retaliation. On top of that, a ICBM launched in Europe is likely going to be intercepted and destroyed before entering sub-orbit to align for re-entry.
 
  • Dumb
  • Agree
  • Lunacy
Reactions: Seafarer, Towoman, Yak-130 Mitten and 5 others
Spunt said:
They don't have plans for trains for the same reason they don't have plans for unicycle invasions, Gopniks in hardhats being fired at Berlin by a really big trebuchet or Speznatz commandos floating up the Danube on inflatable bananas.
Click to expand...
The Danube plan would also work rather well if they wanted to launch a first-strike with conventional weaponry.
Strasse said:
European militaries are operating under the very idea of an invasion from Russia and have done so for the better part of a century. You don't need extensive numbers in this era to win wars - European militaries are vastly more well equipped in every aspect of warfare compared to Russia - including the training of both Regular and Territorial forces.
Click to expand...
??? what? Which European militaries are these, exactly?
 
  • Dumb
  • Like
  • Autistic
Reactions: Seafarer, Towoman, Yak-130 Mitten and 7 others
Doctor Love said:
The Danube plan would also work rather well if they wanted to launch a first-strike with conventional weaponry.

??? what? Which European militaries are these, exactly?
Click to expand...

The UK; France; Germany; Norway; Sweden; Hungary; pretty much every European nation. European nations have so much to spare that they sent shit to Ukraine too. European armies have been assisting as much in Ukraine as the United States in training and preparing Ukrainian troops. Why do people assume that European militaries don't exist? Just because the focus of the militaries are different from the US doesn't make them any less effective at their intended purpose.
 
  • Dumb
  • Disagree
  • Autistic
Reactions: Yak-130 Mitten, WonderWino, Susanna and 3 others
1702659202790.png
 
  • Winner
  • Like
  • Feels
Reactions: demicolon, not william stenchever, A Very Big Fish and 28 others
Spunt said:
All it would take is for the water to flow uphill and it's otherwise a perfect plan.

Do you drink paint or something?
Click to expand...
I assumed the bananas had some kind of propulsion

Strasse said:
The UK; France; Germany; Norway; Sweden; Hungary; pretty much every European nation. European nations have so much to spare that they sent shit to Ukraine too. European armies have been assisting as much in Ukraine as the United States in training and preparing Ukrainian troops. Why do people assume that European militaries don't exist? Just because the focus of the militaries are different from the US doesn't make them any less effective at their intended purpose.
Click to expand...
These are the same countries which struggle to deport illegal immigrants because of a lack of physical ability to do so.
 
  • Dumb
  • Autistic
  • Like
Reactions: Towoman, Yak-130 Mitten, Meh123 and 4 others
Doctor Love said:
I assumed the bananas had some kind of propulsion


These are the same countries which struggle to deport illegal immigrants because of a lack of physical ability to do so.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry my dude but that's laughable coming from a country that spends more on its military than the other top 4 combined yet still hasn't figured out how to stop a bunch of South American faggots from swooping in to your country in numbers that compose more than most European nations, per year.
 
  • Autistic
  • Dumb
Reactions: Yak-130 Mitten and The giant penis of doom
Strasse said:
I'm sorry my dude but that's laughable coming from a country that spends more on its military than the other top 4 combined yet still hasn't figured out how to stop a bunch of South American faggots from swooping in to your country in numbers that compose more than most European nations, per year.
Click to expand...
where do you think I am from exactly
 
  • Dumb
  • Autistic
Reactions: Yak-130 Mitten, Meh123, The giant penis of doom and 1 other person
Honestly love the train hypothetical discussion. It's educational in showing how tactical planning should be debated. It's a ridiculous plan, but if I was someone in the U.S military and I was sold this plan, I dont think anybody would chime in and openly say how it wouldn't work because of this and this.

I honestly think there is merit in it with the element of surprise, but It feels like it would win the battle and lose the war. Then again he is saying it's a metaphor for other strategy's.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mav52ri, blur and The Foxtrot
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back