Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

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But the spine tree thing was a titan spine? where did -that- come from?

Also if this all started over Ham..there has to be some Muslims in here somewhere.
No one fucking knows. It was just there under a tree that looked like a naked lady.

As for Muslims, well, what appear to be Arabs, or at least people stereotypically designed after Arabs exist, but like most other things in this series, they're not explained very well, and most people in-series don't seem to care, or be interested at all in their existence.
 
But the spine tree thing was a titan spine? where did -that- come from?
It’s referencing the Norse mythological tree Yggdrasil which is the tree of life that connects the nine worlds. Would’ve been really helpful if there was any buildup to this Norse mythology instead of it only being near the end and the fact that there are only nine sentient Titan-shifters.

Though in my opinion, Isayama is only doing this to make his mindless ending have some deeper meaning by alluding it to being Ragnarok.
 
It’s referencing the Norse mythological tree Yggdrasil which is the tree of life that connects the nine worlds. Would’ve been really helpful if there was any buildup to this Norse mythology instead of it only being near the end and the fact that there are only nine sentient Titan-shifters.
Yeah world tree and all that horse shit, but where did it come from in world? did Odin just decide to drop his trousers and put his cock down a hole for a 6 year old to find and take a bite of?
 
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I guess its not so much the series. I mean, there's really a lot of badly written shit out there. I guess what annoys me and is where my vitriol is directed is at the anime community and normies who think this is a work of genius instead of awfully written shlock. There's so much good shit out there that some dumb garbage gets the attention because it had a good, not even 50%, a good 33%, its paraded around as amazing.

yeah I feel ya. an average series can seem so much worse when people hype it up as genius. part of the reason I even made an account here was this thread and it's willingness to actually criticize the series when damn near everywhere else is people mindlessly sucking isayama's dick. of course null unhid the offtopic section the day after I made my account lol.

It’s referencing the Norse mythological tree Yggdrasil which is the tree of life that connects the nine worlds. Would’ve been really helpful if there was any buildup to this Norse mythology instead of it only being near the end and the fact that there are only nine sentient Titan-shifters.

Though in my opinion, Isayama is only doing this to make his mindless ending have some deeper meaning by alluding it to being Ragnarok.
there's been norse shit since as early as the utgard arc. that whole thing was a reference to some guy named loki-utgard. there was even more earlier I think. mostly little things. some guy already figured out it was gonna be ragnarok back during that time but I dont remember his reasoning it was some long ass theorypost. so the norse stuff is... there.... but it was never meaningful. just window dressing you notice if you study it closely. now it's more blatant, but not any more meaningful. as far as I can tell anyways.
 
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It’s referencing the Norse mythological tree Yggdrasil which is the tree of life that connects the nine worlds. Would’ve been really helpful if there was any buildup to this Norse mythology instead of it only being near the end and the fact that there are only nine sentient Titan-shifters.

Though in my opinion, Isayama is only doing this to make his mindless ending have some deeper meaning by alluding it to being Ragnarok.

There's really no exploration of Norse mythology and its extremely superfluous as well as out of place. The setting resembles a medieval Germanic/early 20th century Europe with little to no Nordic influence. It might be out of place because he never elaborated and made it superfluous but hey, who knows at this point.

yeah I feel ya. an average series can seem so much worse when people hype it up as genius. part of the reason I even made an account here was this thread and it's willingness to actually criticize the series when damn near everywhere else is people mindlessly sucking isayama's dick. of course null unhid the offtopic section the day after I made my account lol.


there's been norse shit since as early as the utgard arc. that whole thing was a reference to some guy named loki-utgard. there was even more earlier I think. mostly little things. some guy already figured out it was gonna be ragnarok back during that time but I dont remember his reasoning it was some long ass theorypost. so the norse stuff is... there.... but it was never meaningful. just window dressing you notice if you study it closely. now it's more blatant, but not any more meaningful. as far as I can tell anyways.

I just don't get it. Even hardcore Game of Thrones fans basically said Season 8 ruined the series. Why is Attack on Titan special? It doesn't take a literary genius to see there's no plan and the ending is going to be garbage.

And it was all window dressing. Isayama put too much time into his Game of Thrones bullshit while forgetting 'oh, there are titans', hence the world building and lore are rushed, like the Jewish baby test.
 
I just don't get it. Even hardcore Game of Thrones fans basically said Season 8 ruined the series. Why is Attack on Titan special? It doesn't take a literary genius to see there's no plan and the ending is going to be garbage.
My theories are:
  1. Because most people have only seen the anime, and not the manga. The anime is much better as it patches up most of the plot issues when it can, and makes the series look gorgeous. Contrast to the manga which is a poorly written, ugly mess that lost half its readership when the KoM happened. I have a feeling we are going to get a similar situation when season four drops. People probably just don't know how bad it's gonna get.
  2. The AoT fandom is ridiculously toxic, and people are just afraid to outward criticize it. I hate to say it, but I think if just one popular YouTuber, or whatever were to call it out on its bullshit, we actually probably would start to see a backlash to the series. I've said this before, but the situation regarding AoT is basically the same as SAO. It's a shitty, poorly written story that nobody cared about until it got a pretty anime. People called SAO genius despite it's innumerable flaws, and it wasn't really until people like Digibro, and Mother's Basement starting making videos about how shitty it was when people finally stopped kissing its ass all the time.
  3. They don't realize it. They truly aren't looking at the big picture, and seeing how shitty the story is. They're not thinking critically about it, and they simply don't see the huge plot holes, inconsistencies, stupid plot-points, asspulls, and horrific implications everywhere.
  4. They're in denial. Simple as that.

Edit: I really do think it is mostly the first. It might not seem like it now, but the tide is going to turn once season four airs. The anime can't fix the plot anymore without rewriting the entire thing, and the studios know it. That's why the one that had animated the past three seasons left it to its fate. The rats are abandoning the sinking ship, and shit will hit the fan the once the final season drops.
 
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My theories are:
  1. Because most people have only seen the anime, and not the manga. The anime is much better as it patches up most of the plot issues when it can, and makes the series look gorgeous. Contrast to the manga which is a poorly written, ugly mess that lost half its readership when the KoM happened. I have a feeling we are going to get a similar situation when season four drops. People probably just don't know how bad it's gonna get.
  2. The AoT fandom is ridiculously toxic, and people are just afraid to outward criticize it. I hate to say it, but I think if just one popular YouTuber, or whatever were to call it out on its bullshit, we actually probably would start to see a backlash to the series. I've said this before, but the situation regarding AoT is basically the same as SAO. It was a shitty, poorly written story that nobody cared about until it got a pretty anime. People called SAO genius despite it's innumerable flaws, and it wasn't really until people like Digibro, and Mother's Basement starting making videos about how shitty it was when people finally stopped kissing its ass all the time.
  3. They don't realize it. They truly aren't looking at the big picture, and seeing how shitty the story is. They're not thinking critically about it, and they simply don't see the huge plot holes, inconsistencies, stupid plot-points, asspulls, and horrific implications everywhere.
  4. They're in denial. Simple as that.

Edit: I really do think it is the mostly the first. It might not seem like it now, but the tide is going to turn once season four airs. The anime can't fix the plot anymore without rewriting the entire thing, and the studios know it. That's why the one that had animated the past three seasons left it to its fate. The rats are abandoning the sinking ship, and shit will hit the fan the once the final season drops.

I mean, what's really shocking, if you think about it, is how much left AoT has to go. The anime covered 87 chapters in 3 seasons. Which is about 29 chapters per season. Currently, we're at chapter 125. That's 38 chapters and counting. And we've got NO idea how much is left. It seems like it could end in another 5 or so chapters. Or it could go on for another 20. Or another 25. We just don't know. It seems like its ending soon, but with the amount of asspulls and genuine filler, its impossible to tell. (On a side note, I was going through the chapters to get my numbers right and HOLY SHIT, I just forgot how ugly his art is, I generally skim the new chapters quick, but its like staring into the sun if you try and look). Like it is not a shock as to why the anime got such a following vs. the manga. And even if there's only 13 more chapters than usual, those 38 chapters cover the war with Marely, the time skip, the entirety of the terrible that is Gabi, they're incredibly dense.

My big question is how are they going to fit all of that into 24 episodes? Or fucking 12 if they do that? I mean, I don't think Wit studios (who've done some AMAZING work, everyone should watch The Ancient Magus Bride) want to shoulder basically the worst content of the series. Nor adapt the densest of AoT material in one season. Or maybe they were even fired from it, because they've been very cryptic about it. Maybe they wanted to change shit and parted ways, because their response to doing AoT season 4 was 'If there's an opportunity'. Maybe a bad translation but who knows. Its unlikely we'll know the full story.

I sort of hope so, because Attack on Titan is leading the normie plague in Anime and it needs to die. It having a Game of Thrones level extinction event is necessary.

But all in all, I think you're right. The anime covers up the serious flaws in the manga and the gulf between the writing and art is seriously huge. It isn't like that with other anime and manga, where you really need to read the manga (or light novels) for the full story.
 
Well you see, all long ass time ago, a little girl let out some pigs*, and King Fritz the First was all like "You must die!", and then he, and a bunch of other people chased the kid into the woods. The kid fell down a huge-ass hole under a very unfortunate looking tree onto a huge-ass human spine. The girl then turned into the first titan/titan-shifter, and then King Fritz was all like "You're gonna be my slave/wife/war-machine!" The girl then bore him three daughters Maria, Shina, and Rose. The kid, now a grown-ass woman, was killed by a limbo stick spear stabbing her in the neck, even though as a titan-shifter she should've clearly been able to survive. Father of the Year King Fritz then forced his three daughters to cannibalize their mother to gain her titan powers.

Their mother then somehow became God, or the closest thing this series has to God, and has been chilling out in the PATHs system as her kid self ever since.

And now you know where the titans came from.

*To be fair, we don't actually see the pigs, so it could just be another metaphor for the Jews, or whatever.

Thanks for reminding me (probably again if I didn't say this before) that I was right to drop this series after seeing season 1.
 
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Thanks for reminding me (probably again if I didn't say this before) that I was right to drop this series after seeing season 1.
I never watched the anime TBH, I got bored after the plot got distracted from "HEY THIS CABIN IS IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO GO THERE" and decided I would come back later once they got to the cabin..apparently I am right to not go back.
 
I never watched the anime TBH, I got bored after the plot got distracted from "HEY THIS CABIN IS IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO GO THERE" and decided I would come back later once they got to the cabin..apparently I am right to not go back.

I stopped after season 1 when it was revealed that the walls were made of titans...because reasons. I told my brother then and there, there would either be no explanation for this or it would be so asinine/convoluted that it wouldn't be worth pursuing. I really don't understand why outside of schlock titles, people can't write fairly simple, straightforward, and sweet, tragic, or epic stories. Instead we've been getting for over a decade, we get this crap where the writers think they can intelligently subvert the audiences expectations. Then again I find the whole notion of subverting audiences expectations patently overrated. Wtf exactly are you subverting and why should I care? Can you just deliver us a stories where the motivations of characters are guessable and things don't veer off in a direction the story shouldn't be going?
 
I stopped after season 1 when it was revealed that the walls were made of titans...because reasons. I told my brother then and there, there would either be no explanation for this or it would be so asinine/convoluted that it wouldn't be worth pursuing. I really don't understand why outside of schlock titles, people can't write fairly simple, straightforward, and sweet, tragic, or epic stories. Instead we've been getting for over a decade, we get this crap where the writers think they can intelligently subvert the audiences expectations.
I just saw them delaying getting to the cabin and said "Okay Self..the writer is fucking around getting to the plot twist mystery box reveal. He 1,000% doesn't know what the fuck is actually in that basement and is trying to buy time to figure it out."
 
I just saw them delaying getting to the cabin and said "Okay Self..the writer is fucking around getting to the plot twist mystery box reveal. He 1,000% doesn't know what the fuck is actually in that basement and is trying to buy time to figure it out."

...what part in the anime is that? Are you referring to Eren's dad's warning very early on (it's been a long time since I've watched the show)?
 
...what part in the anime is that? Are you referring to Eren's dad's warning very early on (it's been a long time since I've watched the show)?

Right at the start..like "I remember my dad had something secret locked in our basement." was..had to have been first season because the first major story arc was them going into the forest and getting attacked by titans...It couldn't have been far after the other Titan shifters got revealed when I quit because it was obvious they weren't going to the cabin any time soon.
 
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Right at the start..like "I remember my dad had something secret locked in our basement." was..had to have been first season because the first major story arc was them going into the forest and getting attacked by titans...It couldn't have been far after the other Titan shifters got revealed when I quit because it was obvious they weren't going to the cabin any time soon.
And they didn't.

They first had to overthrow the monarchy which took for fucking ever. I had started to write a summarized version of events, but even that was too long because there was so much shit in that arc (both figuratively, and literally) that it was like five paragraphs long, and not even done yet.

Anyways after they did that, they finally tried going to the basement, but got ambushed by Bertholdt, Reiner, and Zeke, and had a fucking long battle, and then had a long fucking slap fight over who to save after Erwin got his side taken out by a rock, and Armin got turned into charcoal.

We finally got to the basement around like chapter 100 I think, and all that was in there was a photograph, and the revelation that were people living outside the Walls. That would normally be a huge deal, but the characters just reacted with dull surprise like they usually do, so the impact was greatly lessened.
 
I stopped after season 1 when it was revealed that the walls were made of titans...because reasons. I told my brother then and there, there would either be no explanation for this or it would be so asinine/convoluted that it wouldn't be worth pursuing. I really don't understand why outside of schlock titles, people can't write fairly simple, straightforward, and sweet, tragic, or epic stories. Instead we've been getting for over a decade, we get this crap where the writers think they can intelligently subvert the audiences expectations. Then again I find the whole notion of subverting audiences expectations patently overrated. Wtf exactly are you subverting and why should I care? Can you just deliver us a stories where the motivations of characters are guessable and things don't veer off in a direction the story shouldn't be going?

I'm going to pimp my own thread on Subverting Expectations:


Now, the long and the short of why authors do this is because of multiple reasons:

  1. Desperation. These days, with the prevalence of the internet, there's this desire to keep ahead of your fan theories. So in order to do that, the only way to operate is to alter the organic growth of a story to make it something it isn't.
  2. Hubris. Authors feel like their stories need to be grander, more complicated and 'deeper' and defy genre conventions. The reality is that since antiquity, every story has been told. But instead of combining different elements, like cooking, they decide to try fucktarded combinations that don't work, like adding vinegar to ice cream. Its idiotic, but it makes them think they're smart.
  3. Lack of Creativity. Its very easy to make a mystery. It is very difficult to solve a mystery. Modern stories are composed with a need to explain everything, and this leads to half-assed writing.
  4. Lack of Planning. Mysteries and stories and series are usually planned. More often than not, due to unexpected popularity and desires for constant sequels or to keep a story going as long as possible, things are done on the fly. These lead to disjointed narratives.
  5. Contempt for the audience. There's a very big resistance to giving the audience what they want. This stems from contempt of the audience and the lack of desire to provide for them.
Subverting expectations relies on taking something away, but also bringing it back. Nearly all authors and creatives who subvert expectations do the first half, but rarely the second.

For example, the Titans in the walls was explained, but the reason why such a powerful entity put them there and allowed his people slaughtered wholesale not. The Titans in the walls were put there by the founding titan, who, for no real reason mentioned, abandoned his people and basically put them in the internment camp. In the thread, we refer to the original founding titan as King Cuck, because he went a pure pacifism route that literally makes no sense. He believes his people the jews eldians, deserve to die, so he lets them get devoured, suffered and tortured by a nation called Marley, which he could crush at any moment. The walls in the titans were a deterrent so that if Marley ever fucked with them, he'd unleash them and destroy the world. Then when Marley attacked he did nothing.

The author attempts to portray him as sympathetic, but it laughably backfires completely as when him and his whole dumbass family gets killed was rightly deserved. Also for some reason, every single inheritor of the founding titan got his re.tarded vision of pacifism and the founding titan NEVER told anyone why he was willing to let his people live in perpetual suffering. When asked, it was basically 'trust me, its better this way'. How getting devoured alive, getting memory raped and genocided and executing anyone who went against his will remains a fucking mystery to this day. He didn't tell them because Isayama didn't know why and to this day it remains a huge plot hole.

I know you didn't follow the series, but Marely is the nation oppressing the island. They have internment camps that are literal concentration camps, guards willing to rip little girls apart with dogs, transform eldians into Titans to eat their kinsman and the all-powerful founder doing NOTHING about it.

In truth, Marley deserves to be annihilated completely. Isayama tries to portray it as black and white, but has hilariously failed so terribly.

And they didn't.

They first had to overthrow the monarchy which took for fucking ever. I had started to write a summarized version of events, but even that was too long because there was so much shit in that arc (both figuratively, and literally) that it was like five paragraphs long, and not even done yet.

Anyways after they did that, they finally tried going to the basement, but got ambushed by Bertholdt, Reiner, and Zeke, and had a fucking long battle, and then had a long fucking slap fight over who to save after Erwin got his side taken out by a rock, and Armin got turned into charcoal.

We finally got to the basement around like chapter 100 I think, and all that was in there was a photograph, and the revelation that were people living outside the Walls. That would normally be a huge deal, but the characters just reacted with dull surprise like they usually do, so the impact was greatly lessened.

The problem is that we already knew people were outside the walls with all the hints he dropped. So it wasn't much of a surprise. The problem is he dragged it out for so long that it was obvious he had no idea what was outside the walls.

Then he did a time skip because he had no idea how to continue from the point he left off. This lead to a 50% drop in readership. The anime is only popular because its fucking gorgeous compared to the manga. A majority of the manga has been a delaying tactic to try and figure out what to do with it. Isayma has been struggling in the dark for years now.
 
In truth, Marley deserves to be annihilated completely. Isayama tries to portray it as black and white, but has hilariously failed so terribly.
He doesn't even do that. He tries to make it so "both sides are equally bad", but fails spectacularly because the Marleyans are basically just Nazis. They're not sympathetic at all. They don't care if their government is literally having thousands of people being eaten alive, starved, tortured, etc. They're all for it. Hell, they wish it was worse for them.

He then has the audacity to try, and make it seem like any of their sufferings are nearly as bad as the Eldians. Yeah, Eren Dresden'd them (which I still don't agree with mostly because it was a stupid plan that fucked over absolutely everything), but that doesn't compare to how utterly horrifically the Eldians have been treated.

You know, part of me wonders if Isayama is truly this obliviously to how utterly sociopathic this kind of morality scaling is, or if this is like when Stephen King wrote that underage sewer orgy in IT when he was high off his ass on cocaine, and he just doesn't remember writing it.
 
I’d say my major gripe is why Marley even planned an invasion on the island in the first place. It’s more or less said the purpose of the mission was to reclaim the Founder back in Marley’s control.

Though the problem I have with this is that it honestly makes no sense for a nation such as Marley to enact such a plan. The reason Marley wants the Founding Titan is because with it, they would be able to control all titans. But you also know that Zeke can control titans that come from his spinal fluid so wouldn’t the best course of action be to have Zeke bear children to keep that bloodline ability going? Do they not even try to test that theory out as a lab experiment in the making years from now?

Furthermore, they’re willing to go against the Founding Titan regardless of the consequences. What if the king’s threat were real? Then Marley wouldn’t have to only worry about a technological warfare against countries but also a warfare against those countries AND the Founding Titan. The same titan that can bring the walled titans out to flatten all civilization. The same titan that can supposedly control all Eldians such as the ones segregated in Marley to become titans and to then destroy the country. The risk is way too high.

And when you think further about it, Marley’s desire for the Founding Titan’s power makes further less sense. One of the first scenes we have of Marley at war is how weak the titans are at technologically advanced warfare. It makes no sense for the government of Marley to want to risk so much for a weapon that’ll be destroyed easily. And I also won’t take that technology advanced that far in that time to make titans obsolete.

Marley planned the operation on Paradis on the year 845 and then we see the downfall of the Armor Titan to the equivalent of tank shells in 850. I cannot suspend my disbelief that Marley who were already technologically advanced could not see that a mere five years wouldn’t make Titans cannon fodder. And even if they had controlled the Founding Titan, all they know about it’s abilities is a threat that they believe to be untrue.

It’d be wiser to spend all your assets and manpower cultivating weapons strong enough to kill any attempt at using titans by anyone. So again I ask, why the hell did they invade Paradis?
 
Lack of Creativity. Its very easy to make a mystery. It is very difficult to solve a mystery. Modern stories are composed with a need to explain everything, and this leads to half-assed writing.

I don't know about that chief. With regard to most modern writers that seems to be the case, but I don't think it's hard for them to create and solve mysteries unless they're writing JJ Abrams style mystery boxes, that is, the mystery is just a bait and switch tactic whose only real purpose is just to draw people in. The other side to that I feel is the hubris aspect where they think it would be too on the nose where the solution to the mystery actually make sense and is somewhat predictable. I just don't get it. It's like these people would snicker at something like Silence of the Lambs these days.

Side note, I probably should just PM you about this, but I've been thinking of talking to you some day about a fairly grandiose story I've had in mind. I'm sort of currently looking for some guide(s) on writing in general (not so much story-telling but just effective writing) that and also how to handle some of the mysteries of the story that don't seem too convoluted hopefully, but I have the nagging feeling you might find the whole thing a tad irritating with my bad grammar, direction I want to take in the story, and perhaps some of the influences in the story. I also am not sure how I would want to distill the whole thing or just parts of it especially since I'm still thinking about it.
 
It’d be wiser to spend all your assets and manpower cultivating weapons strong enough to kill any attempt at using titans by anyone. So again I ask, why the hell did they invade Paradis?
Because Isayama has no clue how the military actually works. He has no clue about logistics, planning, tactics, targeting, ranking, or leadership works. This is why the Survey Corps is such a shitshow. It's supposed to come off as being run by a quirky group of badasses, when in actually it was run by a shit commander who's plans usually caused more damage than the actual titans, a torture-happy, sociopathic, unstable, overpowered dwarf, and a hyperactive mad scientist who keeps titans as pets, and somehow also manages to be the most competent of the bunch.

My point is that another one of AoT's biggest flaws is that it's a war story written by a guy who knows jackshit about the military. Although, having the Marleyans invade is stupid decision even for this series. They could easily just bomb them. It's probably just another case of author fiat along with everything I've already mentioned.
 
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