Avowed - Obsidian's new game, like Pillars of Eternity meets Elder Scrolls

[neger psykolog]

Autistic New Vegas fan here, this game has never looked good for a second.

I think there is a big mistake of thinking from people who are fans of anything like New Vegas or Deus Ex (the OG) or Fallout 1/2.

Those games are not only classics but were made by fairly small teams with intense resource restrictions (both in terms of money and what was possible on computers at the time) and just a weird mix of ingredients that baked the perfect cakes that not only became culturally significant and memorable but are extremely unlikely to ever be replicated again or get some sequel many years later that would match up to it in anyway.

It's fair enough to say "I kind of like the games that this developer/team makes, so I'm going to buy this" but there has to be actual consistency for that to apply in the first place. There's plenty of movies made by directors who made some legendary movie early on that just end up production slop.

Anyway, this game is nothing at all like FO:NV to begin with so anyone that would even try to compare it would be dumb.

 

[X Prime]

Those games are not only classics but were made by fairly small teams with intense resource restrictions

It really does seem that the best writing in game franchises comes out of scenarios where the devs are heavily resource-restricted.

I posit that it is because if they are given any breathing room, they start to second-guess what they already did and think it's okay for them to add more personal touches to things.

 

[neger psykolog]

It really does seem that the best writing in game franchises comes out of scenarios where the devs are heavily resource-restricted.

I posit that it is because if they are given any breathing room, they start to second-guess what they already did and think it's okay for them to add more personal touches to things.

It's also because smaller teams mean naturally that decisions get discussed a lot less - leaving far less chance for things to be questioned or interpreted differently.

And resource restrictions are really what inspires creativity and awesome stuff very frequently. Even movies have to filmed quite creatively when they have huge budgets (before CGI came around) but with modern day video games you basically have an unlimited canvas, with unlimited brushes and unlimited colors so that huge amount of freedom can become quite a negative thing.

 

[Chapalapachapa]

i dont believe people when they say they played pillars and tyranny. larian eated that whole lunch with divinity 1 and 2

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i dont believe people when they say they played pillars and tyranny. larian eated that whole lunch with divinity 1 and 2

Funny, i actually skipped divinity 1 and 2. Just didint look like my type of game.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

probably going to play this since I have game pass, as for the woke autism, as long as its not Dustborn-tier of ragebait nonsense I can deal with that. im just really starved for a new first-person RPG

Go try out Monomyth its far more deep than this trash and being made by one man quite well for what it is.

Why I want Musk to purchase a game developer is

The thing is. The only thing these companies have left are tarnished IPs. All the troonies will leave but he'd have to restack it and find passionate people.
He's better off finding up and coming Devs and buying / supporting them.
You know, ones that have talented people there currently that aren't batshit crazy. They're out there.
I think Elon is about to play Path of Exile 2, so he's about to find out about GGG

 

[Rockzo]

Those games are not only classics but were made by fairly small teams with intense resource restrictions (both in terms of money and what was possible on computers at the time)

I'm reminded of this example from Left 4 Dead:
"[Tristan Reidford] Usually each model in the game has its own unique texture maps painted specifically for that model, which give the object its surface colors and detail. To have a convincing variety of cars using this method would have required as many textures as varieties of car, plus multiple duplicates of the textures in different colors, which would have been far out of our allotted texture memory budget. So we had to find a more efficient way to bring about that same result. For example, the texture on this car is shared with 3 different car models distributed throughout the environment. In addition to this one color texture, there is also a 'mask' texture that allows each instance of the car's painted surfaces to be tinted a different color, without having to author a separate texture. So for the cost of two textures you can get four different car models in an unlimited variety of colors. "

Left 4 Dead is only about 4 gig too and the amount of methods they used to save on memory by generating two textures for the cars or only reading the server height of common infected in a multiplayer match that saved 10% of bandwidth.
So many small things and creative techniques went into games like Left 4 Dead yet each detail adds up to a memorable whole.

 

[Miller]

When The Outer Worlds came out, I was coping charitable; I thought that the shitty short female hair was just a engine limitation. I was wrong.

It's not just the short hair, they also made a point of portraying the male characters in leadership position being always bad at their job and the female leaders being always good.

Problem is, do you want these effects so bad that you're willing to nerf your damage output? Frankly, the combat isn't in-depth enough to warrant asking this question in Outer Worlds and I fear it will be the same in Avowed: People will overlook the fun options and just go for the biggest numbers to make combat as brief as possible.

Depending on your skills, you can disassemble a weapon and keep the perks/effect, same for the armors/clothes. That said, the combat is not too difficult anyway, especially when you can spam your squadmate's specials one after another.
TBH I didn't finish The Outer Worlds, I got bored once I reached Byzantium.

 

[Lazy Drei]

The thing is. The only thing these companies have left are tarnished IPs. All the troonies will leave but he'd have to restack it and find passionate people.
He's better off finding up and coming Devs and buying / supporting them.
You know, ones that have talented people there currently that aren't batshit crazy. They're out there.
I think Elon is about to play Path of Exile 2, so he's about to find out about GGG

You raise a good point but it's not too late.

Casey Hudson (CH) just had his studio go under, buy Bioware or the Mass Effect IP, the troons and soyjaks will leave by themselves, no need to pay them because holes get poked in their echo chamber and they can't handle that.

So, you ask CH , Drew Karpyshyn, (maybe Mac Walters if he behaves and promises not to be a niggerfaggot) and other veterans if they're available to be at the helm of a successor in the ME universe with creative freedom as long as it doesn't go into identity politics and I believe at least a few would bite and give it another go to make something good.

Make Jack Wall and or Clint Mansell return for a new OST

Again, probably wishful thinking cause this would mean a lot of them have to drop their current or near-future endeavours but by no means unrealistic if the correct pay and or interest is there.

In the end, anything is better than a bunch of troons and hires based on skin colour or pronouns.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

The increase of visual fidelity lead to a decrease in the necessity of art direction. Those characters in old games while objectively worse looking by polygon counts, texture sizes etc, were forced to work within limitations to be more visually compelling and coherent with less.

It started going bad in the late 10s, but now it's not just character models but everything in a game looks visually shittier than games that came out in the late PS3 era. Character models in particular are getting so bad in the AAA wokeslop era that we are suffering through that you could probably name late PS2 era games that have objectively better and more lifelike looking character models at this point.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

The funniest thing about The Outer Worlds is that the game is trying to tell a “late-stage capitalism is le bad” allegory, but the writers are so incompetent that they accidentally created a system that far more closely resembles late-stage communism (central planning, assigned housing, no freedom of movement, creativity and innovation are stifled, massive waste, arbitrary and inefficient work assignments that people can’t leave, government controlling all media, the leader is called “the chairman”).

 

[Whiskey]

Is the gameplay good though?

I know this shit has a dozen red flags but each year it's getting harder and harder to cox might and magic dark messiah to boot up. I've been forced to boot it in linux to get it to launch and it's still unstable...

I just want a solid first person hack and slash that isn't elder scrolls.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Why do humans looks so shitty in video games now? It's not even that it's uncanny, they just look dead, waxy, shiny and artificial. The people inhabiting the Capital and Mojave wastelands have more character and charm. Especially when you consider something like Skyrim where the people look genuinely great, despite the game being 13 years old now. Or practically all of the drab military shooters coming out of the late 2000s/early 2010s. When your main characters are completely trumped by generic multiplayer playermodels from a game from 2009 it's pretty abysmal.
Not to mention this game looks exactly like Baldur's Gate and Veilbreaker.

Wrong, baby child
Only White hetero models look like washed out shit, Niggers and homos are perfectly recreated every time for some reason. Not sure how it happens, maybe there is a problem with their equipment.

What is up with the leftist obsession with Soylent? They should know it just makes them look retarded even if it’s some attempt to “own the chuds”.

To be fair I don't think Chris is the kind to obsess over "chuds" or even care about them, he just thought he would doodle on his soylent bottles and retweet it. Stupid, but innocent enough.

Not surprising. Do you remember the remaster of Mass Effect where they censored the butt shots? Josh Sawyer was showing his virtue by applauding the decision on twitter. He said something along the lines of "We are making games, not porn". Sawyer worked on Fallout, a game where you can kill children, but butt shots is where he draws the line. If I remember right, he also contributed in the whole retarded debate of "gamers should not expect Baldur's Gate 3 quality".

When The Outer Worlds came out, I was coping charitable; I thought that the shitty short female hair was just a engine limitation. I was wrong.

I still agree with Sawyer on not needing to make every RPG into a fucking harem simulator, we see where that got Dragon Age in the end. I don't agree with his shitty takes on Mass Effect, Baldur's Gate or his virtue signaling.
Also, I will defend the short hair in OW due to: 1) The game mostly taking place in an industrial environment, where long hair is likely prohibited if not outright illegal, fitting with the setting, and 2) The cloth engine in this game really is terrible. I doubt the hair physics would be any better. There is a mod for a longer hair model, but it doesn't have any physics and clips all the time with clothing and surroundings. If nothing else, you can excuse this with their incompetence, I wouldn't put it past them to want longer hair for their own designated waifus like the asexual pajeet if it was possible.

 

[Deus Exica]

Conservatives don't like vidya and Musk most likely knows this.

Uh, yeah they do? They like it more than leftists, that's for sure.

You should be glad that he doesn't buy fucking everything because someone somewhere hates it. One man should never have that much power.

Okay so it's fine for communists to take over literally every piece of media and corporation in the United States and destroy it from within but one guy buying Hasbro demands Pearl clutching about how dangerous and powerful he is?

Are you fucking retarded? Do you whine about shit like this when George Soros or Bill Gates comes up?

 

[Oceanic Navigator]

So, you ask CH , Drew Karpyshyn, (maybe Mac Walters if he behaves and promises not to be a niggerfaggot) and other veterans if they're available to be at the helm of a successor in the ME universe with creative freedom as long as it doesn't go into identity politics and I believe at least a few would bite and give it another go to make something good.

All they needed to do was a long term game based on the bones of ME3 multiplayer and expanding upon it as the player taking on the role of some no name N7 member who can be any reasonable and non meme race (Hanar, Elcor, reaper, etc.). Which is what fans had basically asked for since forever ago.

 

[30+GameOvers]

The funniest thing about The Outer Worlds is that the game is trying to tell a “late-stage capitalism is le bad” allegory, but the writers are so incompetent that they accidentally created a system that far more closely resembles late-stage communism (central planning, assigned housing, no freedom of movement, creativity and innovation are stifled, massive waste, arbitrary and inefficient work assignments that people can’t leave, government controlling all media, the leader is called “the chairman”).

Not sure about portraying communism, but this game ages with every year like fine wine. Diversity hires, incompetent people in charge, incompetent people working, culture rot, average person being a brainwashed moron, everything is falling apart due to politics and incompetence, anyone and anything against the establishment is considered a terrorist threat while the law can't even keep drugged up hooligans at bay, the list goes on. The game captured our modern world and how it's falling apart better than the retro-futuristic industrial revolution Tim was going for. It's brilliant, even if unintentionally so.
The best part? The main objective of the game is to unfreeze your fellow colonists who have been stuck in their pods for over 80 years, because they(and potentially you) are quite literally the only people smart and competent enough to undo the mess the corpos and their brainwashing did only a few generations in. Not even the brightest minds The Board has can deal with food shortages and other social problems, and the only person who arguably can is declared a terrorist for questioning authority. Only the "oldguard" that didn't get brainwashed by the modern culture rot can potentially fix everything, hits a bit too close to home, huh?
Before you give me "capitalism always good!" response, look at the game this thread is about. We're talking about DEI companies falling apart like Obsidian, Microsoft or Ubisoft here, which are just as retarded if not more so than the companies presented in the game. This is definitely something plausible, not just a strawman that I bet the developers were proud of making.
Speaking of which, what's the story with the game being portrayed as a darker take on fantasy that people have been mentioning? I haven't been following the development of Avowed.

 

[FiveStarAce]

It started going bad in the late 10s, but now it's not just character models but everything in a game looks visually shittier than games that came out in the late PS3 era. Character models in particular are getting so bad in the AAA wokeslop era that we are suffering through that you could probably name late PS2 era games that have objectively better and more lifelike looking character models at this point.

FF10's cast was pure Nomura-tism, but i take that over the uncanny modern shit any day.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Did Obsidian ever made a good non-complete-shit game. even once?!
Every game they make is unfinished, more buggy then a Bethesda games, gay-loaded shit.
Every bad guy is so cartoon evil, Disney telling them to slow down.
Every women is a slut to anyone but the player.

Why do people still play their "games"?!

Because they think fart sniffy expectation subversion is good. Anything to not have traditional storytelling.

KOTOR II was also good, albeit in an unfinished state at launch.

Add the Restoration Content Mod, and it goes from good to amazing.

Lmao no it wasn’t. KOTOR 2 is awful compared to the first game. Obshitian could never compete with peak Bioware.

I can't wait for retard nv fans to white knight this pile of shit because it somehow "owns Bethesda tards"

They did the same thing with Outer Worlds. Go back to the original trailer and see the comments, it’s filled with the idiots.

Obsidian cockswaddlers are just as obnoxious as Bethesda cockswaddlers

No, much worse. Bethesda fans admit Bethesda are lazy and can do better. They know Bethesda has issues but likes Bethesda games for what they are.

Autistic New Vegas fan here

Demons.

I legit cannot think of a single game Obsidian has made since New Vegas that was actually worth playing.

New Vegas was fine for what it was. A DLC for Fallout 3, not the second coming of Christ and Elvis.

This is why i'm optimistic for Larian Studios

The Gay Bear Sex people?

while still being very talented.

Yeah idk about that one Chief.

I genuinely hope Elon is also petty enough to just buy some game developer like Bioware, Bethesda or Obsidian at this point and stand at the entrance of the offices to just watch them walk out.

He could prolly buy Bioware or Obsidian. Definitely not Bethesda. Probably not Obsidian either cuz Microsoft won’t sell it most likely. But of the 3, Bioware would be the most likely.

So one DEI husk corpo swallows another DEI husk corpo, so what?

Nah Bethesda isn’t nearly as bad as Obsidian with the DEI shit, not after hearing what that insider said.

All the good members of Obsidian left after New Vegas or were ostracized(ie Avellone)

There were ever good members of Obsidian?

I was the biggest stan of Obsidian back in the day

Even Demons can see the light sometime.

I remember someone somewhere making the point that triple A is dead and corrupted and that the only hope for good quality games that can eventually branch out is in indie development.

Indie is just as bad. How many games look somewhat interesting only to see the main character is a lesbian minority with red hair and freckles?

Proving yet again every Obsidian game especially New Vegas is made for trannies

Fixed that for you. New Vegas is literally the Tranny Fallout.

they peaked at knights of the old republic and you cant change my mind

KOTOR 2 is not good.

I think there is a big mistake of thinking from people who are fans of anything like New Vegas or Deus Ex (the OG) or Fallout 1/2.

Nah you’re wrong. Look at the Outer Worlds trailer. It’s 100% filled with OG Fallout fans and New Vegastards.

that not only became culturally significant

Fallout New Vegas is not culturally significant lmao. It’s a buggy slopfest of a game from 2010.

Anyway, this game is nothing at all like FO:NV to begin

That’s why I thought it might have a chance.

I just want a solid first person hack and slash that isn't elder scrolls.

Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon looks like it might be up your alley.

 

[Lazy Drei]

All they needed to do was a long term game based on the bones of ME3 multiplayer and expanding upon it as the player taking on the role of some no name N7 member who can be any reasonable and non meme race (Hanar, Elcor, reaper, etc.). Which is what fans had basically asked for since forever ago.

The ME3 multiplayer was actual fucking kino if they'd had the time to work it out further and expand upon it this could've been a standalone game.

 

[Mister Fister]

Lol, there's several other type of fps action rpg coming.
Tainted Grail Fall of Avalon
The Wayward Realms
Monomyth