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My shit is a hodgepodge of ATACS FG , East Germany's camo pattern Strichtarn, and M81 Woodland. I would very much prefer to have all my gear in ATACS FG, but it's unobtanium nowadays, while nobody else really used Strichtarn besides East Germany and Czechoslovakia and therefore it's out of production in 2024. Not to mention East German Strichtarn =/= Czechoslovakian Raindrop, since the color tones were different.
 
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Is there some way to sample fabrics to test if they do better than others in certain environments?
Best option is to buy hats afaik they don’t sell single swatches but there’s some instagram and youtube accounts that’ll do photos and videos of themselves testing camo out

Camo.junkie on insta and Brent0331 on YouTube are some that come to mind.
 
I found a pattern I like but it's difficult to actually find on products :(
That's the issue i keep running into. All the kit I'd like to have is either olive green, multicam, or black. All the patterns I like are either unobtanium or are out of production.
 
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I found a pattern I like but it's difficult to actually find on products :(
Thats another reason I just get standard stuff in ranger green or coyote

Off the top of my head you can hit up romankurmaz on instagram who does crye precision cuts of very different camos if he has the fabric in stock. https://www.fireforceventures.com/ does some modern stuff for rhodesian brushstroke, 32 battallion, belgian congo, and sumpftarn. https://kruschiki.com/ has surplus stuff but will also throw up random stuff made in odd patterns like boonies, fanny packs slings and helmet covers. https://www.parashootergear.com/ also does green or brown runs of kits in various patterns.
 
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Is there some way to sample fabrics to test if they do better than others in certain environments?
I found a pattern I like but it's difficult to actually find on products :(
If you don't mind having someone make the clothes for you, you could look into digital textile printing to have that camo print put onto fabric. The most well-known company that does it is Spoonflower, though they're expensive and I'm pretty sure pozzed af. But they do sell sample packs of most of their fabric options.

Apparently there's also direct-to-garment printing.
 
I would never confirm what I'm trying to buy.
It's total, A-Tacs null is going to look like he's fresh off the forest moon of endor. endorsoldiers.jpg
 
If you don't mind having someone make the clothes for you, you could look into digital textile printing to have that camo print put onto fabric. The most well-known company that does it is Spoonflower, though they're expensive and I'm pretty sure pozzed af. But they do sell sample packs of most of their fabric options.

Apparently there's also direct-to-garment printing.
Wouldn't recommend spoonflower for hard wearing fabrics. They traditionally have had issues with their prints fading after little sun exposure and or washing, especially the darker colors. Finding a supplier of the fabric with the pattern and getting clothes/items made would be a good alternative but obviously more expensive.
 
Wouldn't recommend spoonflower for hard wearing fabrics. They traditionally have had issues with their prints fading after little sun exposure and or washing, especially the darker colors. Finding a supplier of the fabric with the pattern and getting clothes/items made would be a good alternative but obviously more expensive.
Yeah, that's what I've heard about their natural fabrics, their cottons in particular. Supposedly their polyesters/poly-blends aren't as bad because they use sublimation dying instead. Digital printing is just a less-than-optimal option if you can't find that pattern already on a fabric.
 
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Yeah, that's what I've heard about their natural fabrics, their cottons in particular. Supposedly their polyesters/poly-blends aren't as bad because they use sublimation dying instead. Digital printing is just a less-than-optimal option if you can't find that pattern already on a fabric.
Supposedly they've gotten better with their cottons, but I've tried them multiple times and have never been particularly impressed. Agree 100% on sublimation vs. digital printing.
 
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If the kiwi bunker will bein the woodlands, maybe the swedish M90 camo will be a good fit.
 
I already love this entire section of the forum

Camo is one of those things I've always noticed always divides people because there's no correct answer for literally any question you ask on the subject. However, I'd like to share what I do when it comes to camo and how I pick it out.

Depending on where you live chances are you're gonna find a common enough camo that works well enough that you can make it work. In the US, you have OCP, Multicam, UCP (which can be dyed as mentioned earlier), M81, and other miscellaneous camos that aren't as common but they can be found. The UK in particular has TONS of MTP on the market, and Canadians get nothing because its illegal to sell CADPAT to them so they buy upcharged Multicam.

The nice part about most of these is that they're good enough to make it work in most scenarios and they can often be had for fucking dirt cheap prices.

Example:
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New with tags full US army uniform in OCP. Good IR compliance, comfortable and durable enough for real use, and like only 30$.

Plenty of examples out there if you look hard enough. Bitch and moan all you want about it being fed camo, but I've seen normal pairs of jeans that are more expensive than this. 30$ for a complete ready-to-use uniform is a fucking steal.

From here, you can just modify the uniform (sewing stuff on, dyeing, whatever) and adapt it to fit your particular climate. Not convinced that this works? Candidates in the US Army's Sniper School are expected to make their own ghillie suits using their old OCPs as a base. (bonus points for the dudes in the picture using the UCP stuff)

IR detection is also somewhat overblown depending on who you talk to. If you're in an... "airsoft game" (cough cough) where your opponents have NVGs and you don't you're fucked either way, but at the same time unless your equipment is literally glowing under IR or has no pattern under IR, you will probably be fine. Thermals are what you really need to worry about and you can't reliably get around it without the use of gimmicks or significantly adapting how you work, so for uniforms and stuff just don't overthink it.

For friendly identification in a SHTF situation there's no real guaranteed way to know if somebody is hostile or not. They could have an M81 jacket covered in kiwi farms patches that they stole from a dead guy (as unlikely as it is, but shit like this isn't likely anyways) and end up using you as a loot drop.

Also, snow camo throws IR out the window. Snow reflects all light extremely well so it's in your best interest if you glow under IR. You can get away with bright white clothing so long as it keeps you warm enough. Probably not a surprise, but I figure I'd leave that here.

Mixing camo also works pretty well in the winter, especially in snowy wooded areas.


So TL;DR, I buy the cheapest (but still legit) camo, and modify the fuck out of it (if I even need to) to make it work. Don't overthink IR but don't get garbage either and 90% of the time you'll be fine. The only people I'd even consider as friendly are people I know beforehand. Mixing camo is good, actually, and surprise, plain white clothing works well in snow.

Hope this 90 page sperging helps
 

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isn't fed camo a valid point tho? I really don't want to look like any of the cock smokers in the military and fed govt.
It's semantics. If you look hard enough, all camo is fed camo. The biggest factors that I would argue is important to look for in a particular camo pattern is that it works in your enviroment and that you can consistently find the pattern and/or similar patterns at a price point that makes sense to you. As much as I like M81, most of the surplus equipment (note: dirt cheap), tends to be OCP/Multicam.
The thing I try to do is balance all the factors in chosing a camo - price point, availability, effectiveness - and then deciding on which camo has the least downsides. Unfortunately, sometimes that camo is gonna be fed camo.
 
isn't fed camo a valid point tho? I really don't want to look like any of the cock smokers in the military and fed govt.
Something I believe is worth mentioning is not just the camo, but also the shape of your equipment. I've said before in the Russia-Ukraine thread that troops nowadays look too similar, because everyone's copied everyone else. The Russian Army's 6B47 helmet looks very similar to the US Army's Advanced and Enhanced Combat Helmets, and the standard issue body armors, web gear/mag pouches, and rucksacks are all very similar as well.

I'd argue that not looking like a Fed isn't just a question of the camo, it's a question of how you look silhouetted from a distance. An old M1, SSh-68, or M56 helmet is going to look different from modern helmets, and all three of those surplus models look very distinct from each other. Ditto for the ALICE rucksack and LBE setup versus the Sidor rucksack and Poyas-A chestrig.

Someone with hodgepodged, kitbashed equipment isn't going to be mistaken for a Fed, even if your uniform (pants + jacket) is Fedcamo. And the gun you're carrying too. Fedboys aren't carrying AKs and SKS rifles.
 
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If you look hard enough, all camo is fed camo.
You won't find any feds wearing M81 these days. Plus, it's fun to think about slotting glowies while wearing M81.

Speaking of surplus, UCP surplus is generally dirt cheap since it's ugly as hell and almost nobody wants it, but I have to admit, it works surprisingly well in snowy conditions, especially when it starts fading.

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You won't find any feds wearing M81 these days. Plus, it's fun to think about slotting glowies while wearing M81.

Speaking of surplus, UCP surplus is generally dirt cheap since it's ugly as hell and almost nobody wants it, but I have to admit, it works surprisingly well in snowy conditions, especially when it starts fading.
Agreed on both points. It's still quite an experience to see the ATF wearing M81 during Waco of all things especially now that it's been reclaimed as the anti-fed camo.

Other posters in the thread have also mentioned dyeing UCP which in my opinion makes it really useful if you have the means to do so. I don't have a source for this one, but when dyed properly UCP keeps its IR signature very well, which makes it the ultimate "make your own camo" camo.

I've also seen AOR and Marpat go for fair prices on the surplus market. Same thing for DCU if you can find it. I got a pair of goretex pants for like 25$ in DCU and I guarantee you can probably find the same provided you're willing to mismatch camo. At the very least it ensures you don't look like a fed (even if you don't blend into your target environment, like, at all)
 
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If I buy gear and want it in a specific camo not offered (i.e. it only comes in the US standard or black) what do you do? Just spraypaint it?
Are we talking about a plate carrier? It's gonna be covered in pouches and shit. Multicam is fine.
 
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