Canada is a failed state

[DiscoRodeo]

First black Canadian Speaker of the House:

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About time we already had our first black prime minister....

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How does he keep getting away with it!!?

"Govern by popularity poll" is the perfect encapsulation of Canadian politics, especially on the the left, as the Liberal Party of Canada is laser-focused on domestic politics and short-term gains in the weekly polls.

Its both sides, honestly. It used to be a feature of first past the post, rather than a flaw (the notion that your politics should be moderate, because youre appealing to the majority of people, who tend not to embrace fringe politics, who tend to not want major changes, to not rock the boat much, etc).

But with, and not even going to get into this, whatever we're facing in this current social media age- people in the center of the political spectrum are either batshit, or it simply doesn't exist any longer and everything and everyone in the center is fringe, gay, fake, and stupid.
The real question is, who is wiring peoples brains into the batshit form that we currently have?

Honestly, I dont believe in conspiracies, but you dont need to have one for something to be pushed. When different interested parties convene on the same issue, you dont need a grand conspiracy for clown world to occur.

I think I would say that the current world shit suits the liberals a lot more and theyre more enthusiastic about trying to shape and benefit from a narrative, but dont forget that the conservatives also govern by popularity poll as well (for example, telling MPs not to mention troons cutting off kids genitals because it may be upsetting to the constituency, or their take on lockdowns, etc).

As such, I believe that Trudeau made accusation against India to shore up his support since his popularity has been sagging since may.

Honestly, I don't know why he did this, but I know that it hurts Canada because, while I don't want many more Indians in the country (homeless Indian students literally living in tents in Ontario), India is the next China, the next big consumer market, and we've probably just been locked out of selling any sort of product there;


and then the guy hasnt even put up any proof. If youre going to make a diplomatic declaration of this sort, rule #1 is put up, or shut up and he can't even get that right.

Am I to believe that the PMO simply made an oversight about Honka's service in the Waffen-SS when Rota invited him to sit in the gallery and be honored?

It honestly doesn't matter, by his own standard. One nazi flag is enough to condemn the truckers, regardless of the context? Surely this is enough to condemn Trudeau. Surely context shouldn't matter here, Trudeau clapping for a nazi is Trudeau clapping for a nazi, end of story- right? Surely our prime minister is better than basic group think. Or surely our politicians at least are? Or they arent, and theyre literal lemmings. This incident was a lot more revealing of the nature of our politics, tbh.

the Liberals didn't even start moving on the housing crisis until Poilievre started making noise about that.

I mean, why would they? It happened under their watch. We got out of 2008 fine with Harper. Hate the guy if you want, but while he may have not been "culturally sensitive" he ran the economy well. Now were facing our own 2008 bubble with the real estate market about to crash, and its such a pity considering we actually avoided the last one largely. What happened?

Anyways, someone ought to tell the Indians not to come. "Canada has toilets everywhere and the world's largest supply of fresh water!!!" That should be enough to scare them away, but its not. Canada is on the warpath towards its own destruction imo, and theres little to do about it other than trying to bunker down and finding creative ways to pay for things in cash

 

[Butterschmalz]

Or they arent, and theyre literal lemmings. This incident was a lot more revealing of the nature of our politics, tbh.

Imagine celebrating faggots, Nazis and Natives at the same time...Some would say Clown world. I would say everything goes! I dont think we have reached peak Clown world yet...

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

It honestly doesn't matter, by his own standard. One nazi flag is enough to condemn the truckers, regardless of the context? Surely this is enough to condemn Trudeau. Surely context shouldn't matter here, Trudeau clapping for a nazi is Trudeau clapping for a nazi, end of story- right? Surely our prime minister is better than basic group think. Surely our politicians are? Or they arent, and theyre literal lemmings. This incident was a lot more revealing of the nature of our politics, tbh.

It would be consistent with his narcissism as he has delusions of grandeur that not even his disastrous showing at the G20 this year could not shatter. He was fortunate that Rota was the perfect scapegoat, but I imagine that only the most diehard TruAnons fully buy into it. Like I said, I'm not giving him any absolution to him and the Party. Let's not forget that Deputy PM Chrysta Freeland's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator who fled to Canada after the war so there is something deeply rotten in the LPC.

And yeah, the "govern by popularity" mentality is present in all parties. Poilievre didn't issue a statement on the Million Person March until two days after the fact, which drew criticism. The main difference between Trudeau and Poilievre is that the former is obsessed with his with his climate/social agenda while the former is at least addressing the affordability crisis. JT will have been in power for a decade by the time his current mandate and I imagine that enough of the Canadian public is jaded enough to want to see him gone. Oh, there are TruAnons that claim that PP is peaking early, but I can't see JT as capable enough to turn this around.

He is completely inflexible in his beliefs and surrounds himself with sycophants and fellow travelers. Everything is a performance to him as he struts across the world like a great white messiah and it is clear by the soft and stilted manner of speech that he is incapable of sincerity. Similarly, he has broken how many promises? 2015 was the supposed to be the last FPTP election, but he abandoned it once he got what he wanted. All of his scandals are compounding more interest than the current BoC rate, with NaziGate being the last in a series of blunders. Any Canadian or immigrant with a thimble's worth of sense are fleeing the country do to myriad crises. Our partners in NATO view us as a liability as JT would rather be Zelenskyy's sugar daddy than invest in our armed forces. Similarly, our allies in the G7/20 shun us because JT is an embarrassment. Something needs to change.

Will Poilievre be that change? It's doubtful. Trudeau promised us the moon and stars in 2015, only to deliver division and misery eight years later. However, a one-percent chance that he can turn things around is enticing enough to disaffected voters, especially the millennials and boomers that JT burned with his broken promises. Predicting the future is a fool's game, but I do see some patterns and the current political environment reminds me of the Wynne government's collapse not too long ago. Maybe we will see that or a repeat of the 1993 election that saw the decimation of the Progressive Conservatives.

 

[Lord Xenu]

Redpill me further on the Residential Schools

In about 1989 or 1990 I went on a class trip to an ex-residential school in my neighborhood which was later turned into a native museum. It was really nice inside, hardwood and tall decorated ceilings, like a fancy old library. The property was turned over to the natives to run and was staffed by them. They brought in a speaker to talk about how great the school was, and how it improved their lives. IIRC he was a lawyer or something. They talked about the disparate conditions between their home life and how nice it was to eat and have plumbing. I knew 2 kids who lived on the reserve and still didnt have indoor plumbing at that time. I'm guessing that if they didn't have the schools to go to most of them would've died from dysentery anyway.

 

[Moosebonker]

Interesting piece By Douglas K Murray featuring JT, nazis, residential schools, JBP etc.

Don't know if the dead tree scrolls are polarised by political affiliations though the comments are a good read.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/douglas-murray-canadas-descent-into-ignorance-shocks-the-world

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The main difference between Trudeau and Poilievre is that the former is obsessed with his with his climate/social agenda while the former is at least addressing the affordability crisis.

I'd vote for him because I honestly just can't stand Trudeau (never could though, to be honest), and I just don't want to see his smug mug anywhere any longer. I wouldn't vote for Poilievre because I think he can solve the problems he's identified, but more because he can actually identify them.

Part of what Trump should have redpilled people on is that opposition parties are excellent at identifying problems and acknowledging them, but thats only one part of the issue- they also have to solve them and they rarely can.

I think that Poilievre has owned the libs on this one, and instead of "lalala problems dont exist, Im not listening" has actually identified the correct problems, not gaslit the Canadian people, and not lied about their causes and origins.

I think that he may attempt to do things like reforming the student visa system (ie, big problem now is they revoked limitations on hours that Indian/International students can work- it used to be 20 hours per week max, now theres no limit and we've literally recreated the Cooley system for the 21st century),

Maybe trying to curb Chinese real estate investment (but on that one, I have my sincere doubts that he will attempt this and anyone will do anything);

But I don't think that hes going to really solve the core of the problems with Canadian society, though he's identified them properly. The same way the conservative party wants to take a light approach on the trans issue, on the offshoring of jobs overseas, on an economy that has less and less international investment within it, etc- I dont think any of that is going to change. I also would say that the PMs office is not a dictatorship, and a better analogy to describe it is "you are the captain of a ship amid a storm, you can slightly shift the course to the left or the right, but nothing too drastic". You can identify the problems, but can you solve them is the big dilemna of 21st century politics.

Still, better than Trudeau, I just really cannot stand the guy at all, or his fans.

but I do see some patterns and the current political environment reminds me of the Wynne government's collapse not too long ago.

I can see something like this potentially, but I honestly think we have more systemic problems than back then, and I think our biggest issue is going to be unironic brain drain. Everyone I know with some sense is trying to get out, or has gotten out for the US. Most people I went to high school with, who got into the tech bubble, left the country for the PNW, California, or Florida/Texas. I think thats why were so desperate to import people to fill in gaps-

But its actually having the opposite effect, and causing more people to want to leave the country faster, and the Indians also hate how exploited they are here, so we're going to wind up losing both demographic groups. Imo its bemusing: You came here to be exploited (or literally, have a bit of sense, do a bit of research), you're used as scab labour and fucked up the economy in multiple areas- and as a demographic group youre even more unhappy because of problems your own demographic group has exasperated. Blame recruiters in India if you want for selling a false dream, but it's not all on them.

Where I actually get a bit racist is that I've worked in tech, and I absolutely hate working with Indians. People in this thread have talked about how they barely speak English, dont have the most up to date skills, etc-

But my big problem is that theyre nepotistic as hell and once Indians get into management positions, they almost always only hire other Indians. So Canadians trying to break into the tech industry in their own country? Well, it just isn't happening. This isn't just in the tech industry, places like McDonalds, BK, etc also have this problem from what Ive been told, where if management is Indian- theyre only hiring other Indians. You get the same thing with rentals as well. They're like locusts, theyre burning themselves out (willingly), and we're going to wind up with a lost generation thats going to have to foot the societal bill, without job experience, skills, or housing, and once they all get tired and leave (which will happen after they drain everything) people who lost out throughout this will be all thats left. Either way, I digress.

For example, from a few years back- but it's only gotten much worse

Everyone in institutions is complicit in this as well. Conestoga college in Ontario, for example, has "20,000 Indian students" out of a student population of 45,000. 20,000 Indians, and thats not even including other international students. There's literally more Indian students than Canadian students in a domestic university in Canada. Its a paper mill, and the head of the college says that theyre here to fill in gaps, labour needs, etc- so theyre not even hiding the fact that they're purposely (and they think this is a good idea) trying to fast track more Indians in to fill labour gaps, which doesn't actually aid anyone native to here other than corporations like McDonalds or tech companies that care more about their bottom line than their domestic communities. I guess colleges are their own business and have to get their money somehow (because noone here really cares about degrees anymore because they don't open the door for people), but jumping on the Indian student grift as a replacement source of income because noone from Canada values watered down degrees any longer is such a nakedly exploitative thing.

I think that we may see the collapse of parties, but really I think that the people remaining here are either brainwashed or have no ability to actually leave, so we're probably going to see more and more people doubling down on their beliefs, and just increased fragmentation/emphasis on the fringe of politics. The current parties will probably still exist, capitalize on that doubling down, and well be even more clown world imo

 

[Human Waiter]

R.I.P. Manitoba

 

[Ookoo Squad]

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Come on, what's the worst that could happen when you're ruled by a communist chug?

Speaking of chugs, a little bird told me that (unsurprisingly), schools across Canada are absolutely rife with their shit. Where a Christian school would have crosses, framed prayers, icons of saints and so on, public schools have medicine wheels, framed land acknowledgements and icons of every bantu from MLK to Malcolm X. Your typical Grade One classroom is festooned with rainbow / troon flags. Its book shelves are replete with residential school holocaust propaganda with pictures of white men dragging children from the hands of their crying parents, angry nuns, and, don't forget, lots and lots of crosses on the schools. It's taught by a 105 IQ Karen, or, even worse, a fat bestubbled soyblob whose hard drive should be raided.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I'm persona non grata around here for simply asking where the graveyard is for the people who were not genocided.

Out at the farmers market on the weekend, all the virtue-signallers had their orange t-shirts on, which has about the same effect as leaving a like on a sm post. I did run into a pooner sporting a neckbeard there, with what appeared to be her mother. Wish I had snapped a pic.

Ontario used to be a hotbed for the Orange Order of Irish Protestants.

I wear an Orange shirt because I support the Orange Order of King William

You wear an Orange shirt because of some Retarded Chuglets were forced to go to school

We are not the same.

 

[y a t s]

First black Canadian Speaker of the House:

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Sheeeeeeit... I thought he was moving us away from coal. Why am I not surprised?

I love that they're sending him to live on a farm in a house with mild 19th century plantation vibes.

About time we already had our first black prime minister....

Never forget. This is who is sending our country into a nosedive.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Emergency wait times in Canada have become so insane people are starting to make petitions about it addressing the situation. Some people had to wait over 5 years for a surgery if not having to wait more for the appointment beforehand. Most people had to wait nearly if not more than a year for an ENT appointment and around 2 years for Cataract surgery amongst many other examples. Waiting for a Neurologist takes around 4 years which is way too long thus instances of many people dying on those wait lists continuing to climb. It's now being laughed upon by other countries of the world. Most Canadians are waiting over a year just to get the exact health care they needed and many die before even seeing a single appointment.

I don't know if this video was posted on the farms before but It's very important information to show how bad the situation has gotten.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Sheeeeeeit... I thought he was moving us away from coal. Why am I not surprised?

I love that they're sending him to live on a farm in a house with mild 19th century plantation vibes.
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Never forget. This is who is sending our country into a nosedive.

Never forget the narcissist had basically no political or business experience, and had the audacity to think he could run a country when he was a drama teacher- based on his family name alone,

or the narcissistic people who voted this guy into office off of appearance and recalcitrance against the conservatives (resentment literally fueling 90% of their politics) and how they feed off eachother to distract from the fact that the guy has been running the country into the gutter since day 1

Emergency wait times in Canada have become so insane people are starting to make petitions about it addressing the situation.

Please government, help solve the problems that government caused!

Petitions are stupid as fuck.

It's now being laughed upon by other countries of the world.

Sometimes when I talk with international clients, they mention how theyre scared of US healthcare, and while it has its flaws- you'd never see something like this in the US. Most people still assume that Canadian healthcare is good because of the memes but a quick search on wait times would easily disapprove that notion.

 

[Fatboi Gus]

Sometimes when I talk with international clients, they mention how theyre scared of US healthcare, and while it has its flaws- you'd never see something like this in the US. Most people still assume that Canadian healthcare is good because of the memes but a quick search on wait times would easily disapprove that notion.

American healthcare is excellent and affordable as long as you have basic insurance. It took 7 weeks for me to do all of the following:
- Notice I have a growing hard lump in my neck
- Find a primary care provider (I had recently moved to another state)
- See said PCP
- Get referred to diagnostic imaging
- Do an ultrasound followed by a CT scan and then a PET scan
- Get referred to an oncologist
- Get a needle biopsy (which failed dye to the nature of the tumor)
- Get a surgical biopsy and a chest port installed simultaneously
- Get approved for chemo
- Start chemo

And this was all a bit slower than average due to it all being in November and December (ie the holidays). And the total price tag was roughly 5K if I add up deductibles and copay. This is less than what replacing my furnace ended up costing me.

Don't believe the memes about American healthcare. It saved my life where Im sure Canadian healthcare would have killed me.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Never forget the narcissist had basically no political or business experience, and had the audacity to think he could run a country when he was a drama teacher- based on his family name alone,

Also remember the party fought tooth and nail to keep him out. Stephane Dion hates him and was pawned off on an ambassadorship. I think 2011 and the time they basically ran an American with Ignatieff...who fucked off back to the US after losing. Made them desperate and they had Trudeau become leader after years of negotiating and probably making some dirty deals with groups south of the border and in Europe.

Don't believe the memes about American healthcare. It saved my life where Im sure Canadian healthcare would have killed me.

I have been subjected to both systems, I greatly prefer the American one. I have had multiple relatives die while waiting for a cancer diagnosis that takes months upon months to even see a specialist. Which I think is probably the system working as intended at this point.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

American healthcare is excellent and affordable as long as you have basic insurance. It took 7 weeks for me to do all of the following:
- Notice I have a growing hard lump in my neck
- Find a primary care provider (I had recently moved to another state)
- See said PCP
- Get referred to diagnostic imaging
- Do an ultrasound followed by a CT scan and then a PET scan
- Get referred to an oncologist
- Get a needle biopsy (which failed dye to the nature of the tumor)
- Get a surgical biopsy and a chest port installed simultaneously
- Get approved for chemo
- Start chemo

And this was all a bit slower than average due to it all being in November and December (ie the holidays). And the total price tag was roughly 5K if I add up deductibles and copay. This is less than what replacing my furnace ended up costing me.

Don't believe the memes about American healthcare. It saved my life where Im sure Canadian healthcare would have killed me.

100% this.

I've lived in both the US and Canada extensively, and worked for insurance before. What I'd add is that most people get fucked by American insurance because they only get onto an insurance plan much later in life. Your big issue there is people decide to opt out of getting signed up for a plan when theyre in good health because they dont want to pay a couple hundred extra dollars for insurance monthly (if you start off in childhood, you could find some good plans for between 150 to 300 before covid), and then when they finally realize that they do need insurance (aka, usually 30s) theyre shocked that now they may have to pay close to a thousand monthly, and can't afford it.

Thats the private route as well. The majority of time, your company will foot the bills for you, and even your family's bills as well if its worth its salt.

I'll admit, the US healthcare system does fuck over food workers, retailers, etc- but like, theres good ways to play the game and bad ways to play the game, and while I have sympathy for food workers, I don't have much for "could afford it, choose not to and choose to chainsmoke instead, shocked that now my premiums are $1500 per month".

The part where they're better is that they don't have to wait months to a year in a queue, and they honestly have access to some of the best doctors and treatments globally. If you actually have insurance, its the best healthcare Ive ever experienced in any country. Europe, Asia, Canada, the US, etc.

Made them desperate and they had Trudeau become leader after years of negotiating and probably making some dirty deals with groups south of the border and in Europe.

Honestly, I hope the 10 years they got was worth it. Probably will be, Canadians have the memory span of a walnut and Im sure that 20 years from now the liberals will come into power again- but such a cancerous party, honestly.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Honestly, I hope the 10 years they got was worth it. Probably will be, Canadians have the memory span of a walnut and Im sure that 20 years from now the liberals will come into power again- but such a cancerous party, honestly.

As well Canadian voters have a weird intersection of being very ignorant, and very cultish. On top of that the Liberal party usually doesn't have a lot of actual "Liberals" in it. It usually has people looking for power and it's the easiest way to get it. Bill Morneau and Justin Trudeau probably agree on nothing, but he was finance minister for years, because one, the party offered him the job, and two, that meant he can shape fiscal policy to his own benefit.

But that has gone away to certain degree, look at the cabinet. All loyalists who will not go against him, even privately. When the Liberals lose power again, they maybe in the doghouse for a while, but that's probably me being optimistic.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

But that has gone away to certain degree, look at the cabinet. All loyalists who will not go against him, even privately. When the Liberals lose power again, they maybe in the doghouse for a while, but that's probably me being optimistic.

My observation is that Justin Trudeau IS the Liberal Party of Canada so they will be politically wandering the desert for 8-10 years because there is no clear line of succession in the party. Rumors that Trudeau "demoted" Anita Amand in the last cabinet shuffle because she had leadership ambitions. Freehand appears to be the most obvious candidate, but she has the same baggage as Justin and her own family history (her Nazi grandpappy) is problematic.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that there is something cultish about Canadian voters. Trudeau gives off Charles Manson/Jim Jones vibes as his most ardent supporters are Boomer women who are more motivated by lust than actual policy. I swear to Heimdall that they would gleefully murder their own grandchildren if JT commanded them to. I also see it with Poilievre to some extent as he repeats the same talking point and the PPC is basically Bernier's personality cult.

 

[OutInTheRain]

My observation is that Justin Trudeau IS the Liberal Party of Canada so they will be politically wandering the desert for 8-10 years because there is no clear line of succession in the party. Rumors that Trudeau "demoted" Anita Amand in the last cabinet shuffle because she had leadership ambitions. Freehand appears to be the most obvious candidate, but she has the same baggage as Justin and her own family history (her Nazi grandpappy) is problematic.

Yeah this was shown when the Liberal party dissociated itself from the Liberal Senators. The Liberal party has been run by the Senate forever, with Senators and their lifetime appointments providing continuity. The most famous incident of this was the Liberal Senators putting their thumb massively on the scale in John Turner's favour instead of Chretien's in the 80's when Trudeau senior stepped down. It actually should have been a huge story but it basically became a footnote. Anand was moved to the Treasury board which I think is kind of a promotion, but putting Blair in National Defense, means something unpleasant is coming for the military. Blair has no loyalty except to power and does what he is told at all times, regardless of his personal feelings.

Freeland is a non-starter as a successor, and the backbenchers would toss her out. She's looking for an out, and is only in there because of her links to European money.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

PPC is basically Bernier's personality cult.

Bernier Bros are worse than Bernie Bros.

At least Bernie won some elections as an independent. Bernier can't even win a seat in deep blue Manitoba (or wherever he ran in that by election).

 

[Butterschmalz]

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R.I.P. Manitoba

This dudes biggest achievement in life is that he is an ex alcoholic. Nice going Manitoba!