Canada is a failed state

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

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This dudes biggest achievement in life is that he is an ex alcoholic. Nice going Manitoba!

Based drunk driving Premier.

Wouldn't expect nothing else from the first Chug Premier.

 

[Ookoo Squad]

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This dudes biggest achievement in life is that he is an ex alcoholic. Nice going Manitoba!

But I don't see any mention of this in the puff pieces all over the Pravd- I mean, CBC. This can't be true!

 

[Butterschmalz]

But I don't see any mention of this in the puff pieces all over the Pravd- I mean, CBC. This can't be true!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wab_Kinew

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

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This dudes biggest achievement in life is that he is an ex alcoholic. Nice going Manitoba!

So, bit of a power level, but fuck it - the Manitoba PC’s this last term might as well have been a Wallflower. Add in that Manitoba is in this retarded fucking cycle of “Vote in the NDP, they expand services and put us massively in debt, Vote in the PC, they somewhat unfuck us debt wise but cut services”, and this result was honestly predictable.

That and the sheer number of PC Robocalls that were happening in the week leasing up to our Election probably convinced some people to vote NDP solely out of spite - I’m talking a half dozen plus a day, all leaving voicemails, even with blocking them as they came in.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

That and the sheer number of PC Robocalls that were happening in the week leasing up to our Election probably convinced some people to vote NDP solely out of spite - I’m talking a half dozen plus a day, all leaving voicemails, even with blocking them as they came in.

Based Manitoba Voters voting for Total Pajeet Death since I assume the spam calls were all from Conservative Pajeets.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Never forget the narcissist had basically no political or business experience, and had the audacity to think he could run a country when he was a drama teacher- based on his family name alone,

or the narcissistic people who voted this guy into office off of appearance and recalcitrance against the conservatives (resentment literally fueling 90% of their politics) and how they feed off eachother to distract from the fact that the guy has been running the country into the gutter since day 1

Please government, help solve the problems that government caused!

Petitions are stupid as fuck.



Sometimes when I talk with international clients, they mention how theyre scared of US healthcare, and while it has its flaws- you'd never see something like this in the US. Most people still assume that Canadian healthcare is good because of the memes but a quick search on wait times would easily disapprove that notion.

Change.org is most likely going to remove the petition anyways like they remove any petition that doesn't align with their narrative but the Canadian Government just doesn't care if not even acts malicious against anyone trying to create private health care in Canada. Even more retarded is that the higher ups in the Canadian government don't act fair and can easily bypass those wait times anyways. But yes. Canadian Healthcare Crisis is an absolute nightmare. Many people have died or even killed themselves waiting for cancer surgeries, hip replacement surgeries, neural surgeries because it takes so long to get an appointment and those suffering those wait time are under extreme pain. No wonder many Canadian health care clinics have suggested giving people appointments into the United States and even the United States hiring nurses from Canada.

 

[Chandelier]

I known of a family who moved to Mexico because Canada was getting so expensive. Living alone middle class is a death sentence for most Canadians.

There are articles where libshits who welcomed high immigration and then packed up and left for Caribbean countries so they wouldn't have to endure the policies they helped enact. For people like me, there is no option to leave, and many of us can't. Higher costs of living and rent essentially crush any attempt at saving enough to even get an airline ticket, let alone pay for all the documents to move somewhere else.

Mexico is also a destination for Americans, as well, as you can get dental work for cheap there.

But its actually having the opposite effect, and causing more people to want to leave the country faster, and the Indians also hate how exploited they are here, so we're going to wind up losing both demographic groups. Imo its bemusing: You came here to be exploited (or literally, have a bit of sense, do a bit of research), you're used as scab labour and fucked up the economy in multiple areas- and as a demographic group youre even more unhappy because of problems your own demographic group has exasperated. Blame recruiters in India if you want for selling a false dream, but it's not all on them.

It doesn't really matter at this point. The government is adamant on importing hundreds of thousands of these people, and we are supposed to get 500,000 by 2025. We were never asked. And it really does rub in our faces that we are totally not being replaced; it's just a conspiracy theory, goy.

American healthcare is excellent and affordable as long as you have basic insurance.

Emphasis on that last part. I have read many stories where people have to struggle to get their insurance companies to sign off on a procedure because they didn't think it was necessary. Even Dr. Mike, that YouTube doctor who got caught flaunting COVID rules to party in Florida, had a video where he had to argue with an insurance company to get someone coverage for a procedure. Meanwhile, if you say you are trans, or need a mastectomy to become a trans man, you get 100% coverage. Your insurance premiums then go up just to pay for theirs.

I know several friends who only got half coverage, despite well paying jobs. One had to pay $150,000 out of pocket for his wife's $350k brain tumour procedure. He haggled them and they wouldn't budge. This was ten years ago. He ended up getting cancer, too. And so did his dog.

A cousin of mine lives in a cheaper red state, and wanted to get a vasectomy. He's got a union job. It was gonna cost him $35k for the procedure. He opted against it, because he had to keep his kids fed.

I am reminded of Steven Crowder when he tweeted, "I'm happy to have the best healthcare in the world" when he's a millionaire. He can afford to have those procedures done - and he did.

And this was all a bit slower than average due to it all being in November and December (ie the holidays). And the total price tag was roughly 5K if I add up deductibles and copay. This is less than what replacing my furnace ended up costing me.

A family member of mine had two insurance plans. Paid into it his whole life. Still cost him over a million dollars due to a blood clot traveling to his lung. Other family members had to get the VA involved, IIRC, and get a lawyer, because the state was going to intervene and take his property.

Medical debt is pretty serious in the US, and it absolutely would affect family members of mine. There's a reason, as mentioned ITT, people go to Mexico to get things done. My US based family couldn't afford to go to Mexico, because they're lucky as is to have their mortgage covered by a wealthy father-in-law.

I won't lie about Canadian healthcare, though. I am lucky to have an attentive family doctor - and I'm even lucky to have her anyways because my previous one knocked me off the roster for going to a walk-in during 2021 lockdown due to a fungal infection on my leg. It does not help that we are importing so many people and do not have the medical infrastructure to keep up with them.

Plus the backlog of telling cancer patients and others that they were not important during COVID is catching up to them. In the petitions demanding solutions to the healthcare crisis, one woman noted how the emergency rooms were empty in April 2020. Duh! Because everyone else was told to STAY HOME. My father had a medical emergency that same month and got immediate treatment, and the rooms were empty except for those who needed immediate care.

 

[Clusterfuckk2]

And the total price tag was roughly 5K if I add up deductibles and copay

The problem is most of the users of healthcare in Ontario at least are immigrants and they flat out refuse to pay a single cent for a single thing. They 100% think the government should pay for absolutely everything. So even a copay option would never fly here, even if it would greatly improve the system.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

A family member of mine had two insurance plans. Paid into it his whole life. Still cost him over a million dollars due to a blood clot traveling to his lung.

How comprehensive was his policy? I don't mean to be a dick, but I've worked in insurance (even in fraud) and I know that the only way you're footing a bill over a couple hundred thousand dollars is if you either don't have insurance, or have an insurance policy that covers the bare minimum- and you expect it to cover open chest surgery.

The problem is most of the users of healthcare in Ontario at least are immigrants and they flat out refuse to pay a single cent for a single thing. They 100% think the government should pay for absolutely everything. So even a copay option would never fly here, even if it would greatly improve the system.

"its my god given right to have free healthcare!"

Yeah, well- its my god given right to leave and find a place where I can actually go to a hospital within a week (while they still let us leave, of course)

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

From someone who had to deal with horrendous wait times. They were right when they say our Health care is a nightmare and amongst the worst. Getting sick in Canada is basically a death sentence.

 

[Chandelier]

How comprehensive was his policy? I don't mean to be a dick, but I've worked in insurance (even in fraud) and I know that the only way you're footing a bill over a couple hundred thousand dollars is if you either don't have insurance, or have an insurance policy that covers the bare minimum- and you expect it to cover open chest surgery.

He paid into it his entire life as said. And he had more than one. Those bills easily go over several hundred thousand dollars. His absolutely did. Too bad I cannot show you the bill - it's almost been ten years, but apparently his son was gobsmacked at the cost.

To add for clarification: the family did end up getting the bill covered, but the insurance company really wanted to fuck around. That is quite common in America.

"its my god given right to have free healthcare!"

Yeah, well- its my god given right to leave and find a place where I can actually go to a hospital within a week (while they still let us leave, of course)

If you can leave, that's great. If you have that kind of disposable income, also great. Go wherever you want to.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

A cousin of mine lives in a cheaper red state, and wanted to get a vasectomy. He's got a union job. It was gonna cost him $35k for the procedure. He opted against it, because he had to keep his kids fed.

Sorry to hear that but why the hell would you feel pressured to get a vasectomy. If his wife doesn't want anymore kids, use a condom.

 

[Chandelier]

Change.org is most likely going to remove the petition anyways like they remove any petition that doesn't align with their narrative but the Canadian Government just doesn't care if not even acts malicious against anyone trying to create private health care in Canada. Even more retarded is that the higher ups in the Canadian government don't act fair and can easily bypass those wait times anyways. But yes. Canadian Healthcare Crisis is an absolute nightmare. Many people have died or even killed themselves waiting for cancer surgeries, hip replacement surgeries, neural surgeries because it takes so long to get an appointment and those suffering those wait time are under extreme pain. No wonder many Canadian health care clinics have suggested giving people appointments into the United States and even the United States hiring nurses from Canada.

I know they refer a few to Buffalo, NY, because it's the closest state, and they negotiate it so that the government still pays for it if you do not have international insurance already. You mostly see well-to-do boomers going out of state to get their procedures, as they are the only ones with disposable income.

Regarding nurses, some of those petitions note nurses are paid jack shit compared to what US nurses get. Even if you complete medical school here, med students routinely complain they cannot find openings or get their own practice, because it's expensive to do so. There has not been a wage increase across the board in decades. The documentary posted ITT states that the aging Boomer population was going to cause this, and they had decades to prepare, yet refused to do it. I would like to mention a story when, during the COVID hysteria, the Ontario government decided to dump $3.7 million on scare ads vs buying new equipment. They could 3D print all that stuff now, if they really wanted to.

All that federal spending and they don't put it to where it matters most. I know the Ontario Premier wants to open some private clinics or new ones, and people were bitching about it. I am of the opinion that if you have the money to go private, go for it. Get whatever you want. But fiscal spending is out of control and they just sent $9.8 billion to Ukraine. That money could've gone a long way here.

There was a story in Nova Scotia where a man's girlfriend/wife had severe abdominal pain. The ambulance refused to come. They get to the hospital. She isn't checked out, despite having a rock hard abdomen (indicative of internal bleeding). she died in the ER, after hours of begging someone to help her. Her living family members are suing.

Sorry to hear that but why the hell would you feel pressured to get a vasectomy. If his wife doesn't want anymore kids, use a condom.

He and the wife were speaking about it and they settled on two kids. She did have an IUD but had to have it removed (only good for about five years) and IIRC, the insurance wanted to fuck around on that. So a vasectomy was proposed, but he dropped the $35k price tag. He didn't speak about insurance dicking around or anything else, or whether that was out of pocket. It was high enough for him to drop it. The wife is currently on BC. She's not that old, either. Only mid thirties.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

How comprehensive was his policy? I don't mean to be a dick, but I've worked in insurance (even in fraud) and I know that the only way you're footing a bill over a couple hundred thousand dollars is if you either don't have insurance, or have an insurance policy that covers the bare minimum- and you expect it to cover open chest surgery.


"its my god given right to have free healthcare!"

Yeah, well- its my god given right to leave and find a place where I can actually go to a hospital within a week (while they still let us leave, of course)

It feels as if thousands of Canadians have their lives so hellish they opted to kill themselves because the wait lists are too long. I remember that film Johnny Got His Gun where that one man in the ER waits for death because he's so horrendously debilitated. Many have been in situations nearly as hellish as this and instead of waiting all these years for a proper surgery, they choose to die because they don't want to wait that long in extreme pain.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

Edit: Past interim leader Amita Kuttner

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Is "Amita" a TIF or TIM? I'm assuming enby TIF? Their name is clearly feminine but they had a breakdown being called a female last year. With a name like "Amita", I thought they were Pajeet or Anglo-Pajeet (b/c the surname), but found out they're an Anglo/Chink mix. The misgendering incident ended up with someone resigning. Another reminder of how cucked the country is.

Speaking of which, a relative told me that many universities have been forcing gender neutral/"all gender" washrooms but they've never seen any woman actually use them. It's all men. Said relative hears women complain all the time about being scared to use a gender neutral washroom, but of course, the mental illness of less than 1% trumps the feelings of roughly half the population.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

He paid into it his entire life as said. And he had more than one. Those bills easily go over several hundred thousand dollars. His absolutely did. Too bad I cannot show you the bill - it's almost been ten years, but apparently his son was gobsmacked at the cost.

To add for clarification: the family did end up getting the bill covered, but the insurance company really wanted to fuck around. That is quite common in America.

As said, then what was his coverage, did he have bare minimum coverage and expect them to cover the moon and back then?
The bill got covered, fair enough- but I hate seeing the propaganda of "omg American healthcare is horrifying, its going to cost you millions of dollars for"

No.

Only if you either have no insurance, or you have a very, very poor/basic insurance policy.

If youre paying into a policy, you will get covered. I can say this as somehow who has lived in the US and had to go through the healthcare system, and someone who has worked in the field as well. We have to stop lying about this sort of propaganda because the entire narrative contributed partially to how we wound up where we are in Canada today. "Well, we may be cucks, but at least were not paying millions of dollars in insurance like everyone in the US!"

It feels as if thousands of Canadians have their lives so hellish they opted to kill themselves because the wait lists are too long.

My secret conspiracy theory is that suicide is pushed because it would avoid burdening our already overburdoned healthcare system

 

[Chandelier]

As said, then what was his coverage, did he have bare minimum coverage and expect them to cover the moon and back then?

He had a union job when young, then when he aged he still had that, social security, and Medicare.

The bill got covered, fair enough- but I hate seeing the propaganda of "omg American healthcare is horrifying, its going to cost you millions of dollars for"

No.

Yes. Depending on the procedure and the hospital you're in, it can absolutely run that high. Transplants alone will rack up over 250k.

Only if you either have no insurance, or you have a very, very poor/basic insurance policy.

If youre paying into a policy, you will get covered. I can say this as somehow who has lived in the US and had to go through the healthcare system, and someone who has worked in the field as well. We have to stop lying about this sort of propaganda because the entire narrative contributed partially to how we wound up where we are in Canada today. "Well, we may be cucks, but at least were not paying millions of dollars in insurance like everyone in the US!"

He had full coverage, in more than one policy as mentioned above. Hospital still tried to overcharge him. Then you have to negotiate your bill, call the insurance company and bitch. I'm sure you can attest to it.

As I mentioned before, even Dr. Mike had to call to bitch to an insurance company to get a procedure covered the patient required. It happens quite often, both from anecdote and data.

Medical debt is a problem in the US; even paying for an ambulance is crazy expensive. Maternity care and costs are also high, and that coverage only lasts two months.

You've worked in insurance policy. How often did people have to bitch to insurance companies?

It isn't propaganda. There's a problem with administrative costs and that is cited as one of the reasons healthcare costs so high in America.

 

[Jarolleon]

Where the natives are now is a separate problem, but people want to pretend like there was another choice, when really there wasnt. You can complain about the way the schools were run (and youd be wrong to for most, imo), but they were there for legit reasons.

Quite ironic that the schools tried to make the Indians more like the whites, but instead they became just like American blacks, but rural.

 

[Fatboi Gus]

@Chandelier (can't reply to your post for some reason): when did that familly member have this experience? I ask because one of the rare things I like about the Affordable Care act is that max out of pocket is legally obligated to mean exactly that and the max out of pocket for out of network Medicare is still under $10K.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Quite ironic that the schools tried to make the Indians more like the whites, but instead they became just like American blacks, but rural.

This could explain why many suburban cities in Canada are such shitholes. Timmins, Prince Albert and Thompson especially.