Canada is a failed state

As for Poilievre being "mean", well, he is aggressive during question period and his criticisms of the current government. That is something I actually appreciate because O'Toole rolled over for Trudeau and the Ottawa establishment is very much stagnant. Plus, Trudeau is a nasty piece of work behind closed doors. He is very much a delusional narcissist with a messianic complex and heaven help you if you refuse to bend the knee because he will do everything in his power to utterly destroy you. I have little doubt that he planned to invoke the Emergency Act on the Freedom Convoy from the very beginning. Not because of any potential economic damage from the blockades, but because its very existence humiliated him on the world stage. Canada has (falsely) prided itself on being a harmonious society compared to the United States, but the Convoy effectively shattered that delusion.

(At least) a plurality of Leafs still drink the maple-flavored Kool-Aid, but the fact is that the Trudeau government is the most corrupt, inept, and malicious one this country ever had.


Not sure if O'toole rolled over but the perception was that he did. In the rules of Canadian political discourse no one is permitted to be negative or critical, no matter how factual or urgent. Otoole's demeanour and speaking was cognizant of that as with many past conservative figures. Harper was a masterful 'negative-nelly'. His delivery often goes unnoticed but he was pure "disappointed school teacher who is not angry but just disappointed" in his delivery. He masterfully walked that rhetorical line to win 3 elections and never got credit for it.

Poilievre is just over that negativity line. Doesn't matter that he is factually correct, in fact that makes it much worse. Average Canadians that derive no benefits from and have no connections to the family and corporate interests that form Canada would just as soon be pushed out of every housing market, become homeless due to soaring rents, starve to death, die in a hospital waiting room, death or be euthanized in defense of positivity and politeness twords said ruling family and corporate interests.

Really goes way beyond koolaid or false national sentiment at this point. Collective insanity or more likely... foreign mind control. Only one other red country I can think of that has citizens who are engineered into this behaviour.
 
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A neurosurgeon's (apparently) income and take home in Ontario

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This made me almost shit my pants. Literally the highest earning profession and this is what they take off in terms of taxes. Jesus Christ. Even the best and the brightest don't stand much of a chance here.
You can blame fat cuck and failed drug dealer Doug Ford for that.

Reminder that much of Canada's GDP growth (and a lot of the US's, on that matter) is essentially locked up into unproductive sectors, aka real estate, tech, and finance.

This is a frothy foam sustained by monetary expansion that disguises the fact that the fundamentals of actual economic health (extraction, manufacturing, exports) have largely hollowed out in the last 30 years due to a general lack of vision, and Canadians' actual purchasing power have steadily decreased.

There will be no big dreams anymore, only the petty concerns of daily life...
Ya maybe if they didn't let so many international "corporations" buy up all our housing, Canadians could actually afford to live here 🤔
 
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Really goes way beyond koolaid or false national sentiment at this point. Collective insanity or more likely... foreign mind control. Only one other red country I can think of that has citizens who are engineered into this behaviour.
I wonder if mass formation psychosis is at work here because many Leafs (including several family and friends) are completely out to lunch. Some of it can be attributed to our educational system dating back decades; hell, I remember being taught the difference between the Canadian Parliamentary model and the American Republican model in high school (around 1999-2000). The implication was that the American model was more corrupt than the Canadian one because of the power of lobbyists, and then there as example I recall from a social studies text where and angry white man firebombs an immigrant's home and kills a little girl. Oh yes, and of course we were taught how diversity was wonderful and that Canada's "cultural mosiac" was superior to America's "melting pot". Odin help me, the curriculum is even worse now.

The notion that Canada's government could be as--if not more corrupt than the United States' is inconceivable to many Leafs. Part of it is due to differences in governing philosophies. America is (ostensibly) about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" while Canadians cherish "peace, order, and good government", which is why Leafs are largely deferential to authority compared to Burgerlanders. That is why, as you say, there is an unwritten rule restricting the political discourse in this nation. However, it is becoming more evident that the peace and order that Canadians enjoyed is fast eroding with rising gang violence, drug addiction, and a collapsing healthcare system that is supposedly the envy of the world. We cannot even boast good government because the current one is taking on massive amounts of debt, using the Bank of Canada as its own personal ATM, and putting the tax/inflationary burden on the vanishing working/middle class. I need not repeat the obvious corruption in the system with Trudeau's endless procession of scandals where the paid media class offers tepid criticism, at best.

Seriously, I see #IStandWithTrudeau trend on Twitter every once in a while and it is impossible to reason with these people because they cannot form a single coherent thought on their own. They earnestly believe that Trudeau has led the country to utopia and will viciously attack any dissenter. Being polite and not rocking the boat only works if both parties work in good faith, but the Liberal Party of Canada has been hijacked by uncompromising ideologues that always act in bad faith. Former Chretien staffer and Toronto Sun columnist Warren Kinsella has gone on record saying that Trudeau's cronies chased out the Chretien Liberals and former LPC president, Steven LeDrew, has been sharply critical of Trudeau as well. However, while many Leafs can see the myriad problems facing the county, too many cannot or will not connect the dots and realize that Ottawa is the problem. Hence why we see the federal government double down on the failed policies of yesteryear.

People are growing angry and resentful over Ottawa's broken promises and bad-faith policies. Dismissing and insulting these people will not make the problem vanish. Trudeau's invocation of the Emergency Act and subsequent crackdown on the Freedom Conroy only proved one thing: he will not listen to anyone who refuses to bend the knee to him. The persecution of Tamara Lich and other Convoy organizers only proved that many crown prosecutors and judges are compromised. The media's dishonest coverage of the Convoy demonstrated that they are untrustworthy. If anything, it also validated many Canadian beliefs that the system is stacked against them rather than assuage such fears. Trudeau has only grown bolder by pushing through Bills C-11, C-21, C-36, etc. Poilievre appears to be one of the few willing to state the obvious, only to be publicly crucified for it.

Oh believe me, there will be a reckoning one day--a day of the rake, as many on this forum eloquently put it. Alberta and Saskatchewan have already passed legislation asserting provincial authority. I largely support Danielle Smith because she is at least willing to take a stand against Ottawa's constant overreach. About damn time given that Trudeau has directly attack our energy and agricultural sectors with his green economy fantasies. I fear the West may have no other option but to break away before Trudeau sinks the country under the combined weight of his ego and folly.
 
The real question is how do we take down and take our money back from billionaires like the guy who owns Loblaws?
Get rid of competiton-smothering protectionist rackets (like the federally protected dairy cartel) and artificially imposed handicaps on production and distribution (like the federally forced fertilizer ban and carbon tax). The grocery stores are simply the last stop, there's a long multifaceted web of political intervention directly contributing to making the food you eat increasingly expensive to cultivate, harvest, process, and transport before it ever sees the inside of a store. And particularly in the case of dairy it makes the quality of what you eat utterly shit as a bonus.
 
The Trudeau government and Federal government at large wants you to freeze in the dark. And you're a racist if you speak out against it. The government loves picking its economic winners and losers, and the carbon tax is the latest round of that. With the added bonus of the NPC's will screech if you remove it.
 
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Get rid of competiton-smothering protectionist rackets (like the federally protected dairy cartel) and artificially imposed handicaps on production and distribution (like the federally forced fertilizer ban and carbon tax). The grocery stores are simply the last stop, there's a long multifaceted web of political intervention directly contributing to making the food you eat increasingly expensive to cultivate, harvest, process, and transport before it ever sees the inside of a store. And particularly in the case of dairy it makes the quality of what you eat utterly shit as a bonus.
Oh gods! I saw a tweet from some idiot who claimed that a chicken farmer sold his poultry directly to Loblaws for $2.65/lb. with the company making a 1000% profit by charging $26.50/lb. You cannot make this stupidity up as, sadly, there is large disconnect between rural and urban Canadians. The latter are completely divorced from the reality of supply chains.

As to what @OutInTheRain said, I completely agree. The Liberals under Trudeau love to pick winners and losers, but the problem is that they are a gaggle of micromanaging midwits who are completely in over their heads (and smooth brains). Our finance minister, Chrysta Freeland, is a journalist whose only business experience was sinking a subsidiary of Reuters. Environment minister Steven Guilbeault is a former Greenpeace activist; if any of you know Greenpeace, you know they are eco-zealots who care more about publicity stunts than actual solutions. Guilbeault himself got arrested for illegally scaling the CN Tower and terrorized Colleen Klein, wife of then-Alberta premier, Ralph Klein when he trespassed on his property to install solar cells. There is gossip that Minister of Foreign Affairs, Melanie Joly is Trudeau's mistress as well as Omar Algahbra, transportation minister, who is more likely to be in his position due to his melanin content than his credentials.

...Notice a pattern here?

Most--if not all of the names I've listed have their files because they are fellow ideologues or sycophants. Canadians are under the delusion that prime ministers choose their cabinet based on their credentials and abilities, provided said prime minister aligns with their political views. I have little doubt that previous PMs made appointments based cronyism, but Trudeau is especially brazen in it. Jody Wilson-Reybould had a career as crown prosecutor, but that did not stop Trudeau from demoting her and ultimately ejecting her from caucus when she refused to buckle under the pressure he placed on her. Former finance minister, Bill Morneau had a background in business, but that did not stop Trudeau from throwing him under the bus to take the heat off himself during the WE scandal.

As for choosing winners, again it will be based on cronyism or other considerations. For examples, I heard on Steven LeDrew's YouTube channel that Quebec get a break on federal gas/carbon taxes for supposedly having its own cap-and-trade program. Nova Scotia has a similar program, but no breaks for the sole reason that the province has fewer seats. It is always about what benefits the party. I personally find some amusement that Atlantic Canada generally swings Liberal (though there are some Tory seat), yet the Liberals will shit on them because they are electorally insignificant compared to La Belle Province.

What a fucking joke.
 
A few blurbs from a 2016 article about Trudeau which was quite on the money for the future)

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The Tony Blair comparison is far too accurate. Blair was known for his turbo immigration policies and ultra globalist agenda while selling out the rest of the middle class.

Edit: Another scary thing. An article like this could never really be published today in a mainstream publication. And this was ''The Star''! when was the last time you read anything talking about this sort of thing? my guess it not in a very long time. There is no real hard lined criticism of Trudeau's policies other than ''vaccines and duh truckers''. When was the last time anyone spoke about Trudeau's failed economics and other corruption. You either hear WOKE garbage in our media or crap alternative right wing crap and conspiracies that miss the mark.

They have control of our media in ways ''they'' didn't in 2015. Very troubling.
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mckinsey-immigration-consulting-contracts-trudeau-1.6703626

A strangely candid article from the CBC of all places which is sounding the alarm (regarding facts we already suspected or in some cases know) that the Canada is a zombie state being puppeted by a literal "shadow government".
A Burgerland consulting firm known as McKinsey has been paid approximately $66 million by the Liberal government to advise dictate Canadian policy for the past 7 years.
They are responsible for advising the government on Covid policy. They are the ones who recommended that Canada boost their immigration target to 500,000 per year, even while our own citizens are struggling to provide for their families and get access to critical services. They are the ones who are quoted as saying things like "we're known for telling truth to power." That sounds like some moustache twirling villain speak when put in the context of the kind of shit they're responsible for their attempts to socially engineer, at the very least, Canadian society.

These people are accountable to no one, no government, and no committee.
Poutine professor, Benoit Duguay, has rightfully asked the question, "How come McKinsey has the skills to to do absolutely everything a government does? ... It looks like another level of government. Almost a supranational government."

The full text is below, and naturally, archived:

The value of one consulting firm's federal contracts has skyrocketed under the Trudeau government​

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The cost of McKinsey's contracts has spiked 30-fold since the Harper years​

Posted: Jan 04, 2023 6:35 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau awards Dominic Barton, Global Managing Partner at Mckinsey and Company.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau embraces Dominic Barton at a 2017 reception. Trudeau would appoint the former global managing partner of McKinsey and Co. as ambassador to China two years later. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)
The consulting firm McKinsey & Company has seen the amount of money it earns from federal contracts explode since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau came to power — to the point where some suggest it may have a central role in shaping Canada's immigration policies.
A Radio-Canada investigation also learned the private consulting firm's influence is raising concerns within the federal public service.
According to public accounts data from Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), the Liberals spent 30 times more money on McKinsey's services than Stephen Harper's Conservatives did.
In the nine years of the Harper government, McKinsey was awarded $2.2 million in federal contracts. During Trudeau's seven years in office, the company has received $66 million from the federal government.

McKinsey, an American firm with 30,000 consultants in 130 offices in 65 countries, provides advice to both private and public entities — which sometimes have conflicting interests — and does not disclose its business ties.
For example, Export Development Canada has paid McKinsey $7.3 million to provide various analyses since last year. The Business Development Bank of Canada paid the company $8.8 million for advice in 2021 and 2022.

Major role in immigration department​

Radio-Canada's analysis shows that Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) has turned to McKinsey the most since 2015, with $24.5 million in contracts for management advice.
IRCC and the Canada Border Services Agency account for 44 per cent of federal compensation issued to the firm.
McKinsey refused to answer Radio-Canada questions regarding its role and agreements with the federal government. The government did not provide copies of the firm's reports in response to Radio-Canada's request.
McKinsey's influence over Canadian immigration policy has grown in recent years without the public's knowledge, according to two sources within IRCC. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

A building closeup with a sign that reads 'Immigration, Refugees, Citizenship Canada.'

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada has been McKinsey and Co.'s best customer within the federal government since 2015. (Ivanoh Demers/CBC)
Both held major roles within the department during the height of the consulting firm's influence and spoke to Radio-Canada separately.
"It was completely opaque. We asked to collaborate, to share our ideas, but it didn't work," said one source with an important position within IRCC.
"McKinsey was an idea from the government. The policy was decided for civil servants. It causes a lot of operational instability," said the second source.
"These people, these firms forget the public interest, they're not interested in it. They're not accountable."
According to contracts, McKinsey was hired by IRCC to develop and implement various strategies for "transformation."
An IRCC spokesperson said the consulting firm was tasked with reviewing, developing and implementing digital tools, processes and services.
The department spokesperson said the contract was revised during the pandemic — at an increased cost — to help IRCC respond to pressures related to the pandemic, deal with acute demand and maintain essential services for clients.

A mandate for 'transformation'​

Representatives of McKinsey facilitated or attended about 10 meetings of the IRCC transformation committee, according to documents obtained under access to information law. The documents do not include details of those presentations.
"We had a few presentations on very generic, completely vapid stuff. They arrived with nice colours, nice presentations and said they would revolutionize everything," one of the sources said.
"In the end, we don't have any idea what they did," the source added, referring to "nice marketing" that "isn't science."
Before a federal committee hearing in late November, IRCC Deputy Minister Christiane Fox said McKinsey was involved in the transformation and modernization of the department's systems.
"According to managers and politicians, everything that comes from outside is always better, even if we had enough resources internally," said one department source.
"[McKinsey] always says they have great expertise, but it doesn't make sense because we have expertise and we're completely pushed aside," said the other.

McKinsey head recommended immigration boost​

The IRCC sources are also critical of McKinsey's possible influence over Canada's immigration targets.
Ottawa announced a plan this fall to welcome 500,000 new permanent residents each year by 2025, with an emphasis on fostering economic growth.
The target and its stated justification follow similar conclusions in the 2016 report of the Advisory Council on Economic Growth, chaired by McKinsey's then-global head Dominic Barton.

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Then-Finance Minister Bill Morneau (right) looks on as Dominic Barton, chair of the Advisory Council on Economic Growth, speaks at a news conference in 2016. Morneau formed the council during his time as finance minister. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
The advisory council recommended a gradual increase in permanent immigration to 450,000 people per year to respond to labour market dynamics. At the time, Canada was accepting about 320,000 permanent residents.
John McCallum, the immigration minister at the time, expressed his reservations about the "huge figure" presented in the report.
But one of the sources at IRCC said the department was quickly told that the advisory council's report was a foundational plan.

'Telling truth to power'​

While Dominic Barton chaired the advisory council from 2016 to 2019, he left McKinsey in July 2018 after a 30-year career with the firm. The next month, the consulting firm started its first contract with IRCC.
Trudeau named Barton Canada's ambassador to China in 2019 — a post he held for two years before leaving and joining the mining firm Rio Tinto.
Shortly before the pandemic, parliamentarians pressed Barton on the work he did for Chinese businesses during his time at McKinsey.
"I'm very proud of my career and time in the private sector," Barton said. "We're known for telling truth to power."
Barton is also a co-founder of The Century Initiative, an advocacy group calling for policies that would bring Canada's population to 100 million by 2100.

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Dominic Barton was Canada's ambassador to China from 2019 to 2021 after 30 years at McKinsey. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
The group was founded in 2011, while Barton was still at McKinsey, and has an current executive from the firm on its board of executives.
The Century Initiative has been listed on Canada's lobbyist registry since 2021. It has organized meetings with the immigration minister's office, the minister's parliamentary secretary and Conservative and NDP MPs.
Radio-Canada's questions to Barton about the increase in McKinsey's contracts have not been answered.

Single-source contracts​

Departments other than IRCC also have turned to McKinsey.
Public Services and Procurement Canada used the company for computer services. Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada hired it for management advice, as well as science and research services.
The Department of National Defence also paid McKinsey several million dollars for leadership development.
Some of these contracts are still in progress and their total cost isn't known yet.
According to Radio-Canada's research, PSPC has called upon McKinsey on behalf of various federal entities for 18 contracts since 2021 — contracts worth more than $45 million.
All of those contracts were sole-source, according to documents obtained by Radio-Canada.
The Prime Minister's Office referred questions to the Treasury Board Secretariat (TBS). In a statement, the TBS said external professional services bring in specific expertise and help to address fluctuations in the civil service workload.
According to TBS spokesperson Martin Potvin, such a contract could help fill shortages in certain work groups or geographic locations.
He said the decision to resort to outside firms rests with individual departments.

'Shadow government'​

Benoit Duguay, a professor at the Université de Québec à Montreal's School of Management Services, said he's surprised by McKinsey's apparent influence.
"How come McKInsey has the skills to do absolutely everything a government does? ... It looks like another level of government. Almost a supranational government," Duguay said in French.
(Duguay is a former consultant himself, though not at McKinsey.)
Isabelle Fortier, professor at the École nationale d'administration publique in Quebec, said the use of firms like McKinsey suggests a break between politics and administration of the state.
She said it supplants the internal expertise of the civil service and operates as a "shadow government" without transparency or legitimacy.
The federal government said it employs consulting firms to provide high-quality services and ensure the best possible value for taxpayers. It said departments are required to award contracts in a fair, open and transparent manner.

Controversy and calls for accountability​

McKinsey has advised many national governments on their COVID-19 pandemic response in recent years, including those in the U.S., U.K., Germany and Mexico.
The governments of Quebec and Ontario also hired McKinsey to advise them on their pandemic responses and plan for the economic recovery.

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McKinsey and Co. was hired to provide advice to the governments of Ontario, Quebec and several countries on pandemic response and recovery. (AFP via Getty Images)
An investigation by the French Senate accused consulting firms like McKinsey of undermining national sovereignty and making the state dependent on them.
McKinsey also has been under investigation in France over tax filings, the awarding of contracts and its role in President Emmanuel Macron's 2017 and 2022 election campaigns.
In Canada, some experts are also calling for an inquiry.
Ontario lawyer Lou Janssen Dangzalan, who has been studying IRCC's digital reforms, said an inquiry could provide transparency on how consulting companies handle government contracts.
Fortier, who studied McKinsey's record in France, said she supports a public inquiry into the use of consulting firms.
"We must force the black boxes to open," she said in French.
 
I wonder if mass formation psychosis is at work here because many Leafs (including several family and friends) are completely out to lunch. Some of it can be attributed to our educational system dating back decades; hell, I remember being taught the difference between the Canadian Parliamentary model and the American Republican model in high school (around 1999-2000). The implication was that the American model was more corrupt than the Canadian one because of the power of lobbyists, and then there as example I recall from a social studies text where and angry white man firebombs an immigrant's home and kills a little girl. Oh yes, and of course we were taught how diversity was wonderful and that Canada's "cultural mosiac" was superior to America's "melting pot". Odin help me, the curriculum is even worse now.

The notion that Canada's government could be as--if not more corrupt than the United States' is inconceivable to many Leafs. Part of it is due to differences in governing philosophies. America is (ostensibly) about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" while Canadians cherish "peace, order, and good government", which is why Leafs are largely deferential to authority compared to Burgerlanders. That is why, as you say, there is an unwritten rule restricting the political discourse in this nation. However, it is becoming more evident that the peace and order that Canadians enjoyed is fast eroding with rising gang violence, drug addiction, and a collapsing healthcare system that is supposedly the envy of the world. We cannot even boast good government because the current one is taking on massive amounts of debt, using the Bank of Canada as its own personal ATM, and putting the tax/inflationary burden on the vanishing working/middle class. I need not repeat the obvious corruption in the system with Trudeau's endless procession of scandals where the paid media class offers tepid criticism, at best.

Seriously, I see #IStandWithTrudeau trend on Twitter every once in a while and it is impossible to reason with these people because they cannot form a single coherent thought on their own. They earnestly believe that Trudeau has led the country to utopia and will viciously attack any dissenter. Being polite and not rocking the boat only works if both parties work in good faith, but the Liberal Party of Canada has been hijacked by uncompromising ideologues that always act in bad faith. Former Chretien staffer and Toronto Sun columnist Warren Kinsella has gone on record saying that Trudeau's cronies chased out the Chretien Liberals and former LPC president, Steven LeDrew, has been sharply critical of Trudeau as well. However, while many Leafs can see the myriad problems facing the county, too many cannot or will not connect the dots and realize that Ottawa is the problem. Hence why we see the federal government double down on the failed policies of yesteryear.

People are growing angry and resentful over Ottawa's broken promises and bad-faith policies. Dismissing and insulting these people will not make the problem vanish. Trudeau's invocation of the Emergency Act and subsequent crackdown on the Freedom Conroy only proved one thing: he will not listen to anyone who refuses to bend the knee to him. The persecution of Tamara Lich and other Convoy organizers only proved that many crown prosecutors and judges are compromised. The media's dishonest coverage of the Convoy demonstrated that they are untrustworthy. If anything, it also validated many Canadian beliefs that the system is stacked against them rather than assuage such fears. Trudeau has only grown bolder by pushing through Bills C-11, C-21, C-36, etc. Poilievre appears to be one of the few willing to state the obvious, only to be publicly crucified for it.

Oh believe me, there will be a reckoning one day--a day of the rake, as many on this forum eloquently put it. Alberta and Saskatchewan have already passed legislation asserting provincial authority. I largely support Danielle Smith because she is at least willing to take a stand against Ottawa's constant overreach. About damn time given that Trudeau has directly attack our energy and agricultural sectors with his green economy fantasies. I fear the West may have no other option but to break away before Trudeau sinks the country under the combined weight of his ego and folly.
I wish BC could separate into two provinces. Interior has good people being ruined by urban shitheads.
 
I can’t quote the post which provided the article, but I think it’s very telling that the CBC went ahead and published this.

Either they’re on the chopping block for layoffs, or they’re starting to shift gears to shill for the Conservatives because they know simping for Trudeau has destroyed a lot of their credibility in just the last 11 months alone.

As if they know there’s a shift in attitude heading towards Trudeau, and they don’t want to sink with him.
 
You either hear WOKE garbage in our media or crap alternative right wing crap and conspiracies that miss the mark.
Just for clarification, you are speaking of Rebel News, no? I will give them credit for one thing, at least they are more willing to pound the pavement for a story whereas most legacy "journalists" prefer to stay in their office/cubicles. Most were too terrified to leave them during the Freedom Convoy and spouted the same lies I expected them to. Rebel News would not have gained the traction it did if the legacy media had actually done its job and truly held the Liberals' feet to the fire. Alas, the media in this country is part of the hopelessly corrupt Laurentian Consensus that leading everyone else to the gutter.
 
I can’t quote the post which provided the article, but I think it’s very telling that the CBC went ahead and published this.

Either they’re on the chopping block for layoffs, or they’re starting to shift gears to shill for the Conservatives because they know simping for Trudeau has destroyed a lot of their credibility in just the last 11 months alone.

As if they know there’s a shift in attitude heading towards Trudeau, and they don’t want to sink with him.
I wondered the same thing but I wonder if it might be too little too late for them to take distance from Justin Castro?
 
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