Canada is a failed state

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Headdot Reddot said:
Canada bro's. Did you know you can shit at the bus stops in your country???

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Dont worry, a crackhead will pass out there and the city will remove the bus stop and punish literally everyone who uses buses.

Then if you complain in winter about the lack of bus shelters people will tell you to blame crackheads and not the city going the nuclear route.
 
Betonhaus said:
If the Albertan secession vote comes with an already agreed on trade agreement with America that both protects Alberta interests and lets it thrive in pretty sure the province will secede.
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Safest bet would be to a territory and stay as a territory. Territories can still leave the US, but once you gain statehood, there's no leaving (unless an amendment is ratified).
 
Betonhaus said:
what are the rights a territory has compared to a state
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I believe you need some Acts of Congress to set it up, but you'd basically want it how Puerto Rico and Guam has had it. All native-born Albertans would be US Citizens, but they're limited to federal participation by the territory status. You'd be subjected to US Congress, but due to how valuable Alberta is, you'd easily be able to negotiate a very favorable deal. You'd be US Citizens by birth though and that would be retroactively applied to anyone born in Alberta, though with the obvious exceptions of jeet immigrants, and probably have declared residents of Alberta (not born in Alberta) be given a chance to choose between Canadian and US Citizenship. You'd be treated as any other Citizen of the US. You'd be able to travel anywhere and work anywhere in the US and even declare residency in any US state. You would also keep your autonomy to rule yourselves, but as I said earlier, you'd still have Congress looming so just keep that in mind.
 
kawaiikat420 said:
It's why all these "nationalist" groups that you see online seem so phony and banal. They want to return to a tradition that never existed in the first place. They want to go back to a point of time that only exists in their imaginations. They want Canada to be without realizing that Canada already is.
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I just want to return to the tradition of putting problems in mass graves are you saying that is not historically accurate?
 
The ATF Disliked That said:
You'd be US Citizens by birth though and that would be retroactively applied to anyone born in Alberta, though with the obvious exceptions of jeet immigrants, and probably have declared residents of Alberta (not born in Alberta) be given a chance to choose between Canadian and US Citizenship.
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Only disagree with this part. The US has no equivalent modern comparison for annexation so it's more likely that citizenship would be extended to any Canadian citizen who's a permanent resident of Alberta and decides to remain living in Alberta after a set time. Easier creating 3-4 million citizens than upending a key provincial economy through rapid mass migration and dealing with the bureaucratic chaos. Canada too would be the same, especially on the latter point.
 
kawaiikat420 said:
They want to return to a tradition that never existed in the first place.
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I also feel this way, but I chalk it up partly to being a Slav out West. I'm not part of the originating ethnic group so I shouldn't be surprised that I feel little connection with Canada's history - despite my naivety and earnestness in youth. I did spend some time in Upper and Lower Canada and it did feel like the people there had a deeper well to draw from. Especially the Quebecois, who can organize themselves around being 'The Old French, in a New Land.'

But to your point, probably the newest, non-retarded nationalist voice out there is Fortissax - and even with him, it's hard to escape the impression that he is playing in a small pond with little to draw upon. The history is certainly there - but it's from a scant population - and that group of people itself is primarily of 'I can make a living in Canada' stock. We're not like the Americans, which had non-economic reasons for their original exodus from Britain. We're not even like the Australians, who can call themselves the 'proud refuse' of the UK. The English portion of Canada is primarily the 'couldn't hack it in Britain' cohort. That is not a basis for differentiation and nationhood. It's not a 'we believe differently (Puritans)' or 'you cast us aside, we flourished' (Aussies). Canada is a 'we never would have left, but the wages were better out here' identity. It was a mistake to ever pretend we stopped being part of Britain. The seed determines the fruit - and we were never a people that wanted to be separate from the Empire, so we have floundered under the idea that we are a nation.

For all Fortissax's conviction, it's telling that he is Anglo-Quebecois and so the drum he beats loudest is... Anglo-Quebec nationalism. See? The pond is so small he primarily has to draw from his own roots for water. The painful thing is that he is right - but that his correct answer is simply insufficient to form a nation around.

And so, like you said, Canadians have to look forward, not back. We have to await or create the event that actually distinguishes Canadians as a coherent nationality.
 
Scale Smerch said:
Only disagree with this part. The US has no equivalent modern comparison for annexation so it's more likely that citizenship would be extended to any Canadian citizen who's a permanent resident of Alberta and decides to remain living in Alberta after a set time. Easier creating 3-4 million citizens than upending a key provincial economy through rapid mass migration and dealing with the bureaucratic chaos. Canada too would be the same, especially on the latter point.
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Alternatively, the US could just do what every other militarily aggressive country (Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan, and Russia) are doing and invade Canada to take the most valuable land and then create a 50 mile deep buffer zone around it. Just kick any unwanted canucks further back into the wastes and set up border control to keep the jeets out.

Realistically, do you see it going any other way? The modern meta seems pretty set in stone by now. Who's actually conquering entire countries wholesale? The whole point of not taking the whole thing is to leave behind a rump state to dump anyone you don't want.
 
Brutality said:
Notice how the author (jeet) is more interested in protecting "institutions" rather than upholding law and justice in a situation that even the lobotomized cattle who voted LPC realize was objectively wrong for Justin to have done. Really makes you think
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Makes me think that PP isnt ready to be PM let alone the leader of the opposition and conservatives should have dumped his ass when he lost his seat instead of giving him a pity free win and letting Battle River have a MP who will never visit nor give a shit about what they want just like he did in Carleton.

There is a reason why he is randomly bringing this shit up like gossip while on the road and not in any actual form that would uphold law and justice, its a con job done by the best people: the cons.
 
Campbell_Trio said:
Makes me think that PP isnt ready to be PM let alone the leader of the opposition and conservatives should have dumped his ass when he lost his seat instead of giving him a pity free win and letting Battle River have a MP who will never visit nor give a shit about what they want just like he did in Carleton.

There is a reason why he is randomly bringing this shit up like gossip while on the road and not in any actual form that would uphold law and justice, its a con job done by the best people: the cons.
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Jesus fucking Christ, you are absolutely brain dead.
 
Campbell_Trio said:
Makes me think that PP isnt ready to be PM let alone the leader of the opposition and conservatives should have dumped his ass when he lost his seat instead of giving him a pity free win and letting Battle River have a MP who will never visit nor give a shit about what they want just like he did in Carleton.

There is a reason why he is randomly bringing this shit up like gossip while on the road and not in any actual form that would uphold law and justice, its a con job done by the best people: the cons.
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PP lost to Justin fucking Trudeau. I can't respect anyone who lost to a Trudeau. The rest of the conservatives are out of touch losers to much like the other major parties in this country.
 
King Metalia said:
PP lost to Justin fucking Trudeau. I can't respect anyone who lost to a Trudeau. The rest of the conservatives are out of touch losers to much like the other major parties in this country.
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At this point I might as well vote for Carney if we have a snap election because we're screwed anyways but if Alberta secedes things will change
 
Samuel Fuller said:
Jesus fucking Christ, you are absolutely brain dead.
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Yeah im brain dead for pointing out that PP is a retard who would rather use his accusations for headlines instead of actually trying to see justice happen, same guy who visited that Queen of Canada nutjob years ago.

If Trudeau did use the RCMP to cover up and PP actually wanted it to be found out he would be going after Trudeau and the RCMP via actual legal means not bragging to employees of a car showroom, he doesn't give a shit if Trudeau actually did or not he just wants you to vote for him.
King Metalia said:
PP lost to Justin fucking Trudeau. I can't respect anyone who lost to a Trudeau. The rest of the conservatives are out of touch losers to much like the other major parties in this country.
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PP had to deal with the two worst outcomes you could get from an election back to back. Losing to a guy who kept getting more and more unpopular and losing an election you were projected to win alongside losing your seat. I'm shocked the guy didn't kill himself.
 
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