CHAZ/CHOP: Autonomous No Cop Zone and Commune Declared In Seattle - Render unto Warlord Raz what is owed to Warlord Raz

[Sped Xing]

If there's one thing Chazians hate, it's organization.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I don't think it will die, but it will definitely shift. The port would likely become the primary driving force of the city's economy again, since no megacorp tax will be able to change the fact that the Port of Seattle is (according to their website anyway) "the fourth-largest container gateway in North America," or at least not as quickly. If the city council decided that shipping is evil and needs taxing that could change, but I'd expect that a chunk of that change would have to wait for other nearby ports to ramp up their infrastructure to accommodate it.

I suspect that if anyone even floats a trial balloon about raising port taxes, or instituting a toll on the roads servicing the port, or anything else like that, that you'll see the other ports on the West Coast immediately announce expansion and streamling plans.

 

[GatorWrasslin]

I suspect that if anyone even floats a trial balloon about raising port taxes, or instituting a toll on the roads servicing the port, or anything else like that, that you'll see the other ports on the West Coast immediately announce expansion and streamling plans.

That's pretty much what happened for businesses when Seattle passed this dumb Amazon tax. Even Kent, Renton, Everett, Bothell, and other outlying cities were like "look at all our office space come move in!" I bet if Inslee wasn't closing everything down and everyone was already remote the exodus would be a lot more noticeable or maybe lots of businesses are just waiting out their leases until they can leave.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Seattle can probably survive a little better than Detroit just on tourism and the fact that it's not as infamous for being Murder Central. Among other things it's a very convenient destination for people going on Alaskan cruises or heading over into Vancouver. It also has a handful of established conventions that... oop, no, forgot, This Is The New Normal™, if the people running Seattle get their way there'll never be another convention again, unless it's a Democrat National one (those are apparently immune to the coof).

It'll probably die a slower death than Detroit but it'll die all the same.

It's right on track to become infamous for being homeless-central, though:
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I was thinking the same thing. I've only lived here for a decade but the city has changed an enormous amount in a short period of time. I'd be shocked if tourism hasn't been in decline for at least 5 years, because there's not a single place you can go downtown where you don't have a chance of running into someone smearing shit all over themselves. There's not many places tourists can take pictures of themselves without catching someone's sleeping bag or tarp fort. There was a big crackdown on crime along highway 99 in the early 2010s when they shut down all the hooker hotels and pushed the girls off the street. Now I can't drive 20 blocks down the highway without seeing at least 3 hookers waving drivers down in traffic. Outer lying areas like Ballard and Lake City have 15+ tent homeless camps popping up on the sidewalks of busy streets (right by the VA hospital is really really bad). This whole area has gotten insanely gross, and all the people experiencing a long term romance with Seattle are starting to see through the fog and smell all the shit.

 

[AnOminous]

Nah, Amazon's just learning why both Microsoft and Boeing no longer maintain offices in Seattle proper. Their new facility in Bellevue (right across the lake from Seattle) is now going to host 25k employees instead of the initially planned 10k.

Are we sure Sawant isn't actually a plant from Bellevue trying to snipe all the good corporate HQs?

Dock workers and the like have a long reputation with smuggling and organized crime. Maybe the local democrats would be fine with that?

It'd beat commies.

 

[Absolutego]

Are we sure Sawant isn't actually a plant from Bellevue trying to snipe all the good corporate HQs?

This city reliably demonizes and then extorts any local success stories that dare to raise the cost of living. Boeing responded to the same kind of vilification by moving corporate to Chicago when Sawant was still in North Carolina.

 

[Meat Target]

It'd beat commies

Dude, union workers ARE commies. Teamsters and longshoremen are some of the worst.

 

[Sped Xing]

Dude, union workers ARE commies. Teamsters and longshoremen are some of the worst.

They're actual commies, though. They do do SOME work in between all their mandatory breaks.

 

[A Logging Company]

Nah, Amazon's just learning why both Microsoft and Boeing no longer maintain offices in Seattle proper. Their new facility in Bellevue (right across the lake from Seattle) is now going to host 25k employees instead of the initially planned 10k.

The Detroit area still has industry all around it while Detroit proper rots. The thing that makes Detroit, well "Detroit", is at one point it was one of the largest cities in America, with well over a million and a half people living in the city at its peak. When it went into decline, it went into a free fall where the city could not keep up with basic maintenance, which only led to more decline, and it got into a spiral it could not escape, and you got to the point where there are whole blocks of uninhabitable houses.

While something like that could happen to Seattle, its unlikely. It's probably going to have a rise-decline-low point-rejuvenation cycle that most areas have. A stagnation and contraction period is inevitable for the city. But the fact people are now leading to recall Sawant is a good sign. Honestly the city could use a real estate decline. Way too fucking expensive to live in for what you get, and that's largely due to corporate types who would feel more at home on the East Side to begin with.

 

[AnOminous]

Dude, union workers ARE commies. Teamsters and longshoremen are some of the worst.

That hasn't been really true since the post World War II purge of the AFLCIO, when actual Communists were deemed a political hindrance. And Teamsters were and are hardly Communists. Hoffa, being a straight up mobster, had no use for such people. Nor was this historically true. The Teamsters were one of the earliest ardently anti-Communist unions. They have had their own issues, mostly corruption and outright criminality, but unlike the AFLCIO never even really had to purge commies.

 

[Sped Xing]

I just notice that it takes 3 hours to unload a truck at a union shop that takes 30 minutes elsewhere.

That amount of supply chain lengthening alone could cause a good old fashioned commie famine.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Is CHAZ still a thing or not? Haven't heard anything out of it except terrible farms from Maoist China and Shootings...

 

[Absolutego]

Is CHAZ still a thing or not? Haven't heard anything out of it except terrible farms from Maoist China and Shootings...

Nah, the "autonomous zone" stopped being a thing around the end of June. The SPD came in and dismantled it once the protesters started picketing outside the mayor's house.
These days we're enjoying nightly "protest marches" in that area and the activists are now resorting to blocking traffic on the highways during the day to get attention.

 

[NoReturn]

Nah, the "autonomous zone" stopped being a thing around the end of June. The SPD came in and dismantled it once the protesters started picketing outside the mayor's house.
These days we're enjoying nightly "protest marches" in that area and the activists are now resorting to blocking traffic on the highways during the day to get attention.

This could be changed to "General Seattle 2020 dumbfuckery"

 

[GatorWrasslin]

Looks like Facebook might also be making a move to bounce it's engineering hub from Seattle to Bellevue. REI had a brand new HQ all set to go but then coronachan sent everyone home. REI never got to move in, and now it belongs to Facebook. FB says they don't intend to leave Seattle but c'mon. Of course they would say that.



Look at this, BLMSKC which thinks it is an official BLM representation group or soething is all mad at the Seattle City Council, and is calling for the SEattle Ethics and Ethics Committee to investigate the council including Sawant for leading a BLM/CHAZ march into the City Hall? This is really confusing, but it looks like BLM is mad at Sawant for letting BLM come into City Hall and make a bunch of speeches and headlines. I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what this BLM group is mad at, and I already see FB groups thinking this is astroturfing or calling this a front, even though it is a registered non-profit (https://blacklivesseattle.org/).

But if I'm reading this right, BLMSKC called for marches and attention about unnecessary police violence, and so Sawant led a march to City Hall and let everyone in at night for speeches. BLM was happy until Sawant grandstanded about tax tax tax Amazon as usual:

Spoiler: "Can we please for once focus on Black lives?"

The group, led to City Hall by City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, spent more than an hour inside the building listening to speeches advocating the mayor’s removal over the city’s heavy-handed response to demonstrations. Sawant raised a range of familiar themes, including demands to “tax, tax, tax Amazon.”

But Moe’Neyah Dene Holland, a protester who followed her, also drew applause when she responded, “I want to tax Amazon too, but can we please for once focus on Black lives?”

The marchers left City Hall around 10:15 p.m. and proceeded back toward the East Precinct.

When asked why she brought the group into City Hall, Sawant said it was essential that the power and uprising evident in the streets be seen in the halls of power in Seattle.

But now BLMSKC has turned on Sawant, specifically calling out the city hall gathering and asking why it was okay for Sawant to open city hall because coronavirus:

Spoiler: Meetings Declared Open and Public

The letter asks the SEEC to look into whether Sawant “violated Wash. Rev. Code § 42.30.030” when she “provided access to City Hall outside of operating hours and in defiance of a public health order to reduce the spread of COVID-19,” and whether the action “was a proper or responsible use of City resources,” whether “such action was designed and intended to serve the best interests of the whole of the City,” and whether the involved SCC members “violated the rights of the public in holding a meeting where direct action was taken in attempt to remove another government official.”

So they're saying because Sawant let them into City Hall after hours and let them give speeches and gave a speech of her own about taxing Amazon, they want the SEEC to investigate her (and other councilpeople for other reasons) in case this meeting wasn't declared open and public and because it might have helped to remove a public figure (Mayor Durkin) who they want to remove and because coronavirus.

Wow.

 

[Parthenos]

Sorry about the double post but this deserves to stand on its own.


Look at this, BLMSKC which thinks it is an official BLM representation group or soething is all mad at the Seattle City Council, and is calling for the SEattle Ethics and Ethics Committee to investigate the council including Sawant for leading a BLM/CHAZ march into the City Hall? This is really confusing, but it looks like BLM is mad at Sawant for letting BLM come into City Hall and make a bunch of speeches and headlines. I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what this BLM group is mad at, and I already see FB groups thinking this is astroturfing or calling this a front, even though it is a registered non-profit (https://blacklivesseattle.org/).

But if I'm reading this right, BLMSKC called for marches and attention about unnecessary police violence, and so Sawant led a march to City Hall and let everyone in at night for speeches. BLM was happy until Sawant grandstanded about tax tax tax Amazon as usual:

Spoiler: "Can we please for once focus on Black lives?"

The group, led to City Hall by City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, spent more than an hour inside the building listening to speeches advocating the mayor’s removal over the city’s heavy-handed response to demonstrations. Sawant raised a range of familiar themes, including demands to “tax, tax, tax Amazon.”

But Moe’Neyah Dene Holland, a protester who followed her, also drew applause when she responded, “I want to tax Amazon too, but can we please for once focus on Black lives?”

The marchers left City Hall around 10:15 p.m. and proceeded back toward the East Precinct.

When asked why she brought the group into City Hall, Sawant said it was essential that the power and uprising evident in the streets be seen in the halls of power in Seattle.

But now BLMSKC has turned on Sawant, specifically calling out the city hall gathering and asking why it was okay for Sawant to open city hall because coronavirus:

Spoiler: Meetings Declared Open and Public

The letter asks the SEEC to look into whether Sawant “violated Wash. Rev. Code § 42.30.030” when she “provided access to City Hall outside of operating hours and in defiance of a public health order to reduce the spread of COVID-19,” and whether the action “was a proper or responsible use of City resources,” whether “such action was designed and intended to serve the best interests of the whole of the City,” and whether the involved SCC members “violated the rights of the public in holding a meeting where direct action was taken in attempt to remove another government official.”

So they're saying because Sawant let them into City Hall after hours and let them give speeches and gave a speech of her own about taxing Amazon, they want the SEEC to investigate her (and other councilpeople for other reasons) in case this meeting wasn't declared open and public and because it might have helped to remove a public figure (Mayor Durkin) who they want to remove and because coronavirus.

Wow.

Jesus Christ, you'd think the (D) stands for Donner Party with how thoroughly they're eating their own.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Sorry about the double post but this deserves to stand on its own.


Look at this, BLMSKC which thinks it is an official BLM representation group or soething is all mad at the Seattle City Council, and is calling for the SEattle Ethics and Ethics Committee to investigate the council including Sawant for leading a BLM/CHAZ march into the City Hall? This is really confusing, but it looks like BLM is mad at Sawant for letting BLM come into City Hall and make a bunch of speeches and headlines. I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what this BLM group is mad at, and I already see FB groups thinking this is astroturfing or calling this a front, even though it is a registered non-profit (https://blacklivesseattle.org/).

But if I'm reading this right, BLMSKC called for marches and attention about unnecessary police violence, and so Sawant led a march to City Hall and let everyone in at night for speeches. BLM was happy until Sawant grandstanded about tax tax tax Amazon as usual:

Spoiler: "Can we please for once focus on Black lives?"

The group, led to City Hall by City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, spent more than an hour inside the building listening to speeches advocating the mayor’s removal over the city’s heavy-handed response to demonstrations. Sawant raised a range of familiar themes, including demands to “tax, tax, tax Amazon.”

But Moe’Neyah Dene Holland, a protester who followed her, also drew applause when she responded, “I want to tax Amazon too, but can we please for once focus on Black lives?”

The marchers left City Hall around 10:15 p.m. and proceeded back toward the East Precinct.

When asked why she brought the group into City Hall, Sawant said it was essential that the power and uprising evident in the streets be seen in the halls of power in Seattle.

But now BLMSKC has turned on Sawant, specifically calling out the city hall gathering and asking why it was okay for Sawant to open city hall because coronavirus:

Spoiler: Meetings Declared Open and Public

The letter asks the SEEC to look into whether Sawant “violated Wash. Rev. Code § 42.30.030” when she “provided access to City Hall outside of operating hours and in defiance of a public health order to reduce the spread of COVID-19,” and whether the action “was a proper or responsible use of City resources,” whether “such action was designed and intended to serve the best interests of the whole of the City,” and whether the involved SCC members “violated the rights of the public in holding a meeting where direct action was taken in attempt to remove another government official.”

So they're saying because Sawant let them into City Hall after hours and let them give speeches and gave a speech of her own about taxing Amazon, they want the SEEC to investigate her (and other councilpeople for other reasons) in case this meeting wasn't declared open and public and because it might have helped to remove a public figure (Mayor Durkin) who they want to remove and because coronavirus.

Wow.

I'm not sure if this is what BLMSKC's complaint is referring to, but there's apparently another BLM group called "Black Lives Matter Seattle Original" that claims to be the True & Honest BLM group in Seattle, and BLMSKC disputes that. "Seattle Original" was started by Marissa Johnson, who was one of the women who stormed the stage at the Westlake Bernie Sanders rally. There is some indication that they're more involved in the "direct action" side of things, for example they started a GoFundMe raising money for protective gear for rioters. So perhaps they are mad that Sawant is boosting this other BLM group instead of them? I don't know, this is all some real People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front shit.

 

[TitusOvid]

Whatever their reason its good that they are fighting each other.

 

[GatorWrasslin]

one of the women who stormed the stage at the Westlake Bernie Sanders rally.

All the way back in August of 2015. I remember people being furious that they had come to hear Bernie and he never got a chance to and these two BLM girls were angrily telling people too bad and shut up and listen to them.

Spoiler: August 2015 - "If you do not listen...your event will be shut down." -BLM

“If you do not listen … your event will be shut down,” one of the protesters told organizers, who offered to let them speak after Sanders. After a back and forth with the screaming protesters, organizers relented and said the demonstrators could go first.

Some in the largely white audience booed and chanted for protesters to let the senator talk. A few yelled for police to make arrests.

Marissa Johnson, one of the protesters, shot back, “I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is, filled with its progressives, but you did it for me,” accusing the audience of “white supremacist liberalism.”

Bernie never did get to speak. His people shut the event down and he left and went up to UW instead.

I remember having lunch at Both Ways after that happened and listening to two late-middle aged, old-school Seattle hippie liberal dudes argue (if you have lived in Seattle for awhile and are outside of the new-tech bubble you know the type. Guys in their 50s who listen to NPR and donate to Sierra Club and drive a Suburu Forrester get annoyed at the Seattle Weekly but were too old for the Stranger and probably had lived in homes since the 1990s in the non-waterfront parts of Seward Park or Mount Baker or Madrona before real estate skyrocketed). And one of those old hippies in a Coexist t-shirt and Birkenstocks and spectacles was saying that he liked Bernie but if some random girl got on stage and Bernie was just going to give up the mic and stand back and eventually leave, how would he handle dealing with Putin or Kim Jong-Un? I've never forgotten how these two white haired liberal dudes were worried about Bernie acting like a cuck before anyone had even heard of the 'cuck' meme.

And that summer and into 2016 I remember BLM started blocking downtown streets, making traffic even worse around here. Their argument for annoying rich liberals in downtown Seattle who would normally be their valuable allies? "The discomfort you feel now is the discomfort we feel all the time!" and meanwhile traffic in the downtown core would be backed up until 9pm.

Even powerful people with IDpol shields, Bernie (socialist Jewish guy), Mayor Durkan (leftie lesbian), now-former Police Chief Best (Black woman), councilperson Sawant (Indian female) - every public servent, no matter how aligned they think their goals are gets bitten.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Tomorrow the City Council is going to consider the bill CB-119891 which would authorize the Council to use city funds to pay for Sawant's defense against the recall.

SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL - Record No: CB 119891

Title: AN ORDINANCE relating to the legal representation of Councilmember Kshama Sawant in judicial proceedings concerning a recall charge; paying expenses necessary to defend Councilmember Sawant in those proceedings; and ratifying and confirming certain prior acts.

seattle.legistar.com

From the bill summary:

The recall petition against Councilmember Sawant cites her participation in Black Lives Matter protests as grounds to recall her. The petition goes as far as accusing the Capitol Hill Organized Protest of having created a “violent criminal toxic environment.” Defending against those charges is, therefore, also related to standing with the vulnerable communities who face racism and police violence, and the tens of thousands who have participated in Seattle's Black Lives Matter protests.

Using taxpayer money to get Sawant out of trouble is part of ending racism, comrade!