US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
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Then the free market will create a unintended consequence of making a Streisand effect. They'll soon make these services inopable but some guys will menage to find a way to bypass it.

The Streisand effect is something unique that can only occur in pre-corporate-owned internet. It cannot occur after corporations seize complete dominion over the flow of information.
 
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I want to see some third party DDOS ResetERA and see them try to pin it on KF somehow.
 
8chan has actual moderation too. The Christchurch shooter's post with his manifesto and Facebook link was removed within 10 minutes of being posted. A faster response time than Facebook's, I might add.

That hasn't stopped these idiots from branding it a "hate site."


True, but the difference between Kiwi Farms and 8chan is that chans of any kind offer some degree of anonymity that a standard forum like Kiwi Farms does not.

There's no required usernames, no avatars, and discovering someone's prior post history and reputation is a lot harder on an image board than it is on a forum.

Also, 8chan has looser moderation than even the Farms and combined with its format, helped make it a high priority target after the Christchurch shooting.

The fact that 8chan was plagued with being attacked from its inception since it came about because of Gamergate, with Dan Olson's gay ops being a prime example. Also, 8chan was already de-listed from Google long before Christchurch or El Paso. Even after Null told the NZ police to fuck off, Google hasn't unlisted us.

Most of the hate-boner for the Farms is from butthurt troons and Reddit dangerhairs and the liberal media just sort of rolls with whatever they say, but at the same time, our doxing actions were never followed up by criminal activity nor were anyone's dox released with the implication of threatening harm, unlike Antifa's doxxing efforts.

As for William Atchinson, he was a nobody on Kiwi Farms and anyone who would've bothered to look into his posting history would have seen that. While Twitter SJW's wouldn't even bother with doing such a thing, law enforcement does do that sort of thing and that's honestly why we didn't really get any actual blowback from Couch Cuck's stupidity.

IIRC, most of the media coverage of his online activity focused more on ED, since he actually was a regular there and was fixated on their mass shooting articles.

Considering that Null is in Eastern Europe and Kiwi Farms has helped out law enforcement on occasions (like when Nick Bate was taken down) I don't think we're next on the list just yet, at least not with anyone of actual power and importance.

That being said, with 8chan's downfall and this morning's downtime, I would not say we're out of the woods yet. It is possible we could be targeted in the future, and I suspect this morning's DDOS attacks may be connected to the 8chan shutdown (SJW's getting emboldened and going all gung-ho on the Farms) but there's not a reason to go into panic mode just yet.

Be careful and always be on the lookout, but don't panic.

Also, they're never going to shut down 4chan. That site is heavily moderated and actually semi-mainstream these days.

As it is, the only reason why /pol/ hasn't been shut down there is so it can serve as a containment board. If something were to happen that would threaten 4chan nowadays, all they would have to do is shut down /pol/ and they'd largely be let off the hook by Silicon Valley and the Feds.
 
True, but the difference between Kiwi Farms and 8chan is that chans of any kind offer some degree of anonymity that a standard forum like Kiwi Farms does not.

There's no required usernames, no avatars, and discovering someone's prior post history and reputation is a lot harder on an image board than it is on a forum.

Also, 8chan has looser moderation than even the Farms and combined with its format, helped make it a high priority target after the Christchurch shooting.

The fact that 8chan was plagued with being attacked from its inception since it came about because of Gamergate, with Dan Olson's gay ops being a prime example. Also, 8chan was already de-listed from Google long before Christchurch or El Paso. Even after Null told the NZ police to fuck off, Google hasn't unlisted us.

Most of the hate-boner for the Farms is from butthurt troons and Reddit dangerhairs and the liberal media just sort of rolls with whatever they say, but at the same time, our doxing actions were never followed up by criminal activity nor were anyone's dox released with the implication of threatening harm, unlike Antifa's doxxing efforts.

As for William Atchinson, he was a nobody on Kiwi Farms and anyone who would've bothered to look into his posting history would have seen that. While Twitter SJW's wouldn't even bother with doing such a thing, law enforcement does do that sort of thing and that's honestly why we didn't really get any actual blowback from Couch Cuck's stupidity.

IIRC, most of the media coverage of his online activity focused more on ED, since he actually was a regular there and was fixated on their mass shooting articles.

Considering that Null is in Eastern Europe and Kiwi Farms has helped out law enforcement on occasions (like when Nick Bate was taken down) I don't think we're next on the list just yet, at least not with anyone of actual power and importance.

That being said, with 8chan's downfall and this morning's downtime, I would not say we're out of the woods yet. It is possible we could be targeted in the future, and I suspect this morning's DDOS attacks may be connected to the 8chan shutdown (SJW's getting emboldened and going all gung-ho on the Farms) but there's not a reason to go into panic mode just yet.

Be careful and always be on the lookout, but don't panic.

Also, they're never going to shut down 4chan. That site is heavily moderated and actually semi-mainstream these days.

As it is, the only reason why /pol/ hasn't been shut down there is so it can serve as a containment board. If something were to happen that would threaten 4chan nowadays, all they would have to do is shut down /pol/ and they'd largely be let off the hook by Silicon Valley and the Feds.

Kiwifarms is actually a very progressive forum that offers great advice for people on what mistakes you should avoid making in your life. How to be normal and not bring attention to yourself.

It also has an extensive catalog of liars, fraudsters and cheats. How to save your money and who not to give it to.

So as I said, this might as well be rebranded the most progressive website on the whole internet. No need for expensive shrink visits or popping pills. Look at the life lived by many highlighted by the Farms and you'll wake up tomorrow feeling excellent.
 
Kiwifarms is actually a very progressive forum that offers great advice for people on what mistakes you should avoid making in your life. How to be normal and not bring attention to yourself.

It also has an extensive catalog of liars, fraudsters and cheats. How to save your money and who not to give it to.

So as I said, this might as well be rebranded the most progressive website on the whole internet. No need for expensive shrink visits or popping pills. Look at the life lived by many highlighted by the Farms and you'll wake up tomorrow feeling excellent.

Someone should patent Kiwifarms mental therapy: "this week, we will learn about laurelai". it's guaranteed to either cure the batshit or produce new cows!
 
Someone should patent Kiwifarms mental therapy: "this week, we will learn about laurelai". it's guaranteed to either cure the batshit or produce new cows!

If the Kiwifarms mental health resort (patent pending) even reduces this onslaught of insane troonery by a single percentage point, we have a successful program.
 
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If the Kiwifarms mental health resort (patent pending) even reduces this onslaught of insane troonery by a single percentage point, we have a successful program.

i bet we could get mike pence to fund this new conversion therapy

Kiwifarms mental health resort for anti-troon conversion therapy, brought to you by the proud hosts of the Christchurch shooting.
 
It was bound to happen after news outlets were painting 8chan as "a website where people prepare for the race war and shooters post their manifestos".
Huh, so it kind of matters what is written in the news as who gets to set the agenda on what is happening, huh?
 
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I wouldn't put too much stock into it. The bunker already existed for a while before this from the looks of things and was part of a gamergate thread alonside the other bunker while this was going down. There are some sites others have gone to/pointed out on 8chan. It won't be too much like a week or 2 before the anon community is re-established again.

Infnity-chan lives on.
 
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