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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
So MAGAimg seems to be back up and working now (not too strange, the owner promised that he would have it back up quickly).

What is strange is that it's back up behind a Cloudflare IP/nameserver. I thought Cloudflare booted them off?
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So MAGAimg seems to be back up and working now (not too strange, the owner promised that he would have it back up quickly).

What is strange is that it's back up behind a Cloudflare IP/nameserver. I thought Cloudflare booted them off?
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No comment on this from the owner yet, but it may be CF rolled back their decision to avoid negative attention.

With the numbers he's claiming, if he wasn't on one of their higher end plans he might have been costing them quite a bit of money.
 
Update! Fredrick's been looking into the whole Watkins vs. 2channel/Nishimura thingo. Not sure that's as interesting to us as it is to Fredrick apparently. But whatever keeps him off the streets, I guess. Also, there's this:
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(https://archive.li/rcNV2)

Why, Fredrick?

But, more topically: guess who else is apparently back up on Cloudflare? 8kun! (Maybe!)
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(https://archive.li/423dq)

Oh yeah, Hotwheels kopipe has a new blog I guess:
Didn't have any luck archiving it with archive.li for some reason, so @copypaste-ing a local copy here.
8chan is Still Using CloudFlare

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in cloudflare • 19 minutes ago

TL;DR: 8kun (8chan) will not load unless clients pass CloudFlare's firewalls.

When Jim Watkins and son proudly claimed to the world and their users that they were going to be replacing CloudFlare's multimillion dollar network just for their 8chan website, I was skeptical. Many of their users, however, believed it; after all, they had not the necessary experience to realize what was being promised.

Since then, they've dropped the «8chan» name, instead preferring to be called «8kun». I see no logical reason to begin doing so—the software is the same, the owners are the same, and the rules are the same. Some, such as Ron Watkins to the Wall Street Journal, would say that a lack of /pol/ makes 8chan no longer 8chan. That seems dubious at best to me. As can be seen in this archive, among other places, and on 8chan itself when it is up, board creation was and is as of this writing still very much on the table; as the rules have hardly changed, to expect that a /pol/ or /pol/-like board will not reappear as soon as the world stops paying attention is a dubious proposition, and one I do not accept.

Let's however analyze the network. How are they doing it, these intrepid entrepreneurs, out-competing CloudFlare, which jettisoned them? In which datacenters have they bought servers, which networking cables have they installed, which satellites have they launched?

Let's stop kidding ourselves, Nick Lim has done none of that. After being kicked from network after network, and then registrar after registrar, rather impressively, they have for now found an ISP that will allow their crusty ship to drop anchor and use its port. But they worry, oh you see. CloudFlare was so convenient! It had an excellent firewall, and stopped many attacks. If only they could find a way to use its network on the sly!

They've found a way. Observe:
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[Yots: Yeah, that's actually the resolution that Fredrick uploaded this picture at.]

What are we looking at here? I too was in doubt. We are looking at the output of an nginx module known as testcookie, except configured to use client-side AES.

We don't need to worry so much about this; it's pretty much irrelevant. It's a small roadblock in the way of would be miscreants. Perhaps it can even stop a few who don't care enough to drive around it, and instead turn around. What's really interesting is the URL https://vanwatech.com/aes.js, which computes the AES needed to get 8kun to load.

Oh, computer! Tell me about VANWATECH.COM.
Code:
[fred@pc ~]$ whois vanwatech.com #?
   Domain Name: VANWATECH.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2396981845_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.google.com
Registrar URL: http://domains.google
Updated Date: 2019-05-31T05:40:51Z
Creation Date: 2019-05-31T04:01:37Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2020-05-31T04:01:37Z
Registrar: Google LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 895
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: registrar-abuse@google.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8772376466
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Name Server: LISA.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: MARK.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned
CloudFlare nameservers? Well, perhaps he's just using their free DNS, let's not jump to concl—
Code:
[fred@pc ~]$ dig A vanwatech.com +noall +answer # dig, you really doth protest too much
vanwatech.com.      299 IN  A   104.27.148.220
vanwatech.com. 299 IN A 104.27.149.220
And of course 104.16.0.0/12 is CLOUDFLARENET, meaning, CloudFlare owns these IPs.

So what does it all mean? Well, to load 8kun your computer needs to pass an AES challenge. That challenge can only be passed if your computer knows where to get the script which says how to compute it, aes.js, from. aes.js is hosted on VANWATECH.COM. VANWATECH.COM is hosted on CloudFlare. In sum, CloudFlare is defending 8chan today, 18th November 2019.

I call on CloudFlare to kick them off. They sent a strong message when they kicked 8chan off, and hopefully they won't allow them back in through this backdoor. VanwaTech's anti-DDoS service is nothing but some open source nginx module and CloudFlare's firewall.
 
Gross... but also funny because it's standing lol.


Just so you know, his ability to walk was supposed to be left ambiguous. I had asked that he hand Hiroyuki's character the paper from a park bench, but I think that request got lost in translation. (The artist is not a native English speaker. Truly, the market for furry artwork is global, like all markets in 2019.) So, most likely future drawings, if there are any, will retcon that. I haven't decided yet.

This is a very important post
 
So... your eyes really are green?
This is a very important post
You know what? I think maybe it is.

I never actually stopped to think that might be a consideration... now I have more questions than ever. Of all the things you could've responded to in this thread.. clearly this is some deep philosophical shit.

Glad to see you're concentrating on the important stuff there.. 🤔

 
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So... your eyes really are green?

You know what? I think maybe it is.

I never actually stopped to think that might be a consideration... now I have more questions than ever. Of all the things you could've responded to in this thread.. clearly this is some deep philosophical shit.

Glad to see you're concentrating on the important stuff there.. 🤔

I was likewise surprised at how difficult it was to create a fursona, or mascot, or furry character; whatever we want to call it. Obviously I had had exposure to the concept since I was very young, but never really was interested in making one, or in furry art in general. This changed when I decided I needed a new Twitter icon, but didn't want to just replace (´・ω・`) with a simple photo of myself. A friend of mine suggested a fursona, at first as a joke; but they are a furry, and soon we began seriously discussing the idea.

It appealed to me for a lot of reasons, but I also knew exactly what I was doing. Imageboard users, in general, hate furries. As an object of channer hate, it seemed only natural I take on more (harmless) attributes that draw their ire.

So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.

My eyes are really green, but not as brightly as the mascot's, obviously. Truly, I found fursona creation vexing, if you want an autistic way to force introspection, perhaps give it a try! (Or just get some CBT.)

The species was chosen as I believe raccoons represent the ideal hackers of the world, finding their way around problems, finding their way into places that they're not supposed to be, and discovering things they're not supposed to know. They have high intelligence and dexterity, having hands, and are also somewhat sociable, but not to an extreme. Also, I found a funny meme of a raccoon sitting in a chair, so that pretty much sealed the deal.

Lastly the body type. Clearly it would be absurd for him to be very tall, but we could get away with a bit more height, so 4'1". And weight? Well, to make him very thin would make that an aspiration at some level, would it not? But that's not something I aspire to; in reality, being fat hides deformities and makes me look older; in the world of the raccoons, being fat means they live a well optimized live if you ask me. A thin raccoon probably isn't the smartest, the fat ones know all the tricks.

And that was it really. My friend advised me to go on FA and find someone with open commissions with an art style I liked; I did so and paid with Fiverr credits I got sent as a gift last year. Yes, they also draw some weird porn, but who in the world of furry art doesn't? That's where the big bucks are, is it not? So I can't fault the artist, can I?

The philosophy of fursonas is enough for several term papers, but I'll stop there. (I know my image for Hiroyuki is top cringe, I tried every other way I could think of of getting his attention, and as you all know, the respect of people like @HOMO FOR LIFE is not really important to me, so making such an image on the off chance it will work was well worth it.)
 
So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.
I guess furries are kind of like trannies in that way.

Anyway, I'm intrigued by whatever you have planned for Bitchute in your upcoming article, Fredrick.
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(https://archive.li/N1bvI)
 
Hope you'll get to see it soon, I've got several publications interested. BitChute commented for the story as well.

As usual, if I can't get anyone to publish it, I'll just self-publish on Steemit, so it will see the light of day one way or another.
 
I was likewise surprised at how difficult it was to create a fursona, or mascot, or furry character; whatever we want to call it. Obviously I had had exposure to the concept since I was very young, but never really was interested in making one, or in furry art in general. This changed when I decided I needed a new Twitter icon, but didn't want to just replace (´・ω・`) with a simple photo of myself. A friend of mine suggested a fursona, at first as a joke; but they are a furry, and soon we began seriously discussing the idea.

It appealed to me for a lot of reasons, but I also knew exactly what I was doing. Imageboard users, in general, hate furries. As an object of channer hate, it seemed only natural I take on more (harmless) attributes that draw their ire.

So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.

My eyes are really green, but not as brightly as the mascot's, obviously. Truly, I found fursona creation vexing, if you want an autistic way to force introspection, perhaps give it a try! (Or just get some CBT.)

The species was chosen as I believe raccoons represent the ideal hackers of the world, finding their way around problems, finding their way into places that they're not supposed to be, and discovering things they're not supposed to know. They have high intelligence and dexterity, having hands, and are also somewhat sociable, but not to an extreme. Also, I found a funny meme of a raccoon sitting in a chair, so that pretty much sealed the deal.

Lastly the body type. Clearly it would be absurd for him to be very tall, but we could get away with a bit more height, so 4'1". And weight? Well, to make him very thin would make that an aspiration at some level, would it not? But that's not something I aspire to; in reality, being fat hides deformities and makes me look older; in the world of the raccoons, being fat means they live a well optimized live if you ask me. A thin raccoon probably isn't the smartest, the fat ones know all the tricks.

And that was it really. My friend advised me to go on FA and find someone with open commissions with an art style I liked; I did so and paid with Fiverr credits I got sent as a gift last year. Yes, they also draw some weird porn, but who in the world of furry art doesn't? That's where the big bucks are, is it not? So I can't fault the artist, can I?

The philosophy of fursonas is enough for several term papers, but I'll stop there. (I know my image for Hiroyuki is top cringe, I tried every other way I could think of of getting his attention, and as you all know, the respect of people like @HOMO FOR LIFE is not really important to me, so making such an image on the off chance it will work was well worth it.)
In the future I would appreciate that if you're going to post insane copypasta that you remove paragraph breaks. Thanks.
 
Hotwheels, I see you, faggot.

It won't work though. Cutting out the middleman was an innovative move but ultimately it's no more effective than turning troon, and shield trolls only ever dig their own grave. Phil turned troon after he got exposed trollshielding with Chris. Hotwheels is practically doing it all at once. It's been remarked he might as well have turned troon in becoming a furfag. It is actually a more innovative tactic than that. He's the first man in history to attempt a risky trollshield maneuver without a lolcow by trollshielding his own self.
 
I guess furries are kind of like trannies in that way.

Anyway, I'm intrigued by whatever you have planned for Bitchute in your upcoming article, Fredrick.
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(https://archive.li/N1bvI)
Stop validating his ego. He doesn't represent anything.
Just a dying cripple living on US bux in a third world country.
 
I was likewise surprised at how difficult it was to create a fursona, or mascot, or furry character; whatever we want to call it. Obviously I had had exposure to the concept since I was very young, but never really was interested in making one, or in furry art in general. This changed when I decided I needed a new Twitter icon, but didn't want to just replace (´・ω・`) with a simple photo of myself. A friend of mine suggested a fursona, at first as a joke; but they are a furry, and soon we began seriously discussing the idea.

It appealed to me for a lot of reasons, but I also knew exactly what I was doing. Imageboard users, in general, hate furries. As an object of channer hate, it seemed only natural I take on more (harmless) attributes that draw their ire.

So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.

My eyes are really green, but not as brightly as the mascot's, obviously. Truly, I found fursona creation vexing, if you want an autistic way to force introspection, perhaps give it a try! (Or just get some CBT.)

The species was chosen as I believe raccoons represent the ideal hackers of the world, finding their way around problems, finding their way into places that they're not supposed to be, and discovering things they're not supposed to know. They have high intelligence and dexterity, having hands, and are also somewhat sociable, but not to an extreme. Also, I found a funny meme of a raccoon sitting in a chair, so that pretty much sealed the deal.

Lastly the body type. Clearly it would be absurd for him to be very tall, but we could get away with a bit more height, so 4'1". And weight? Well, to make him very thin would make that an aspiration at some level, would it not? But that's not something I aspire to; in reality, being fat hides deformities and makes me look older; in the world of the raccoons, being fat means they live a well optimized live if you ask me. A thin raccoon probably isn't the smartest, the fat ones know all the tricks.

And that was it really. My friend advised me to go on FA and find someone with open commissions with an art style I liked; I did so and paid with Fiverr credits I got sent as a gift last year. Yes, they also draw some weird porn, but who in the world of furry art doesn't? That's where the big bucks are, is it not? So I can't fault the artist, can I?

The philosophy of fursonas is enough for several term papers, but I'll stop there. (I know my image for Hiroyuki is top cringe, I tried every other way I could think of of getting his attention, and as you all know, the respect of people like @HOMO FOR LIFE is not really important to me, so making such an image on the off chance it will work was well worth it.)
Whoa nigga, do you really expect me to read all that shit by you?

I can't believe this crusading shit's still going on. Some high-quality autism right here.
 
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