Cobra Kai

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I really can't wait for Season 5 now. But with Terry in charge, anything can happen.

But one thing that struck me about how the dojos handle martial arts in this season was that Cobra Kai was more pragmatic, while Eagle Fang and Miyagi-Do were too set in their ways. Johnny and Daniel kept treating martial arts in a very dogmatic manner, with the two of them belittling each other's style. Whereas John Kreese and Terry Silver were OK with Robby teaching Miyagi-Do to Cobra Kai, but they also noted its strengths and weaknesses. Neither Kreese nor Silver reprimanded Robby for teaching Miyagi-Do to the Cobra Kais, while Daniel gets uppity with Sam for accepting Eagle Fang teachings, and Johnny gets upset the more Miguel gravitates towards Miyagi-Do.

Learning from different perspectives is common sense, but the good guys have a problem with it, while the bad guys go with it and even study Miyagi-Do from an objective view, noting that while it's good for defense, it's a reactive, defensive form of martial art, which allows the attacker to control the fight.

We see this have a negative effect later in the tournament where even Cobra Kai's secondary fighters (Kyler and Kenny) were winning bouts due to them combining Miyagi-Do styles with Cobra Kai's. Had Daniel and Johnny remained unified, they would have crushed Cobra Kai at the tournament, but they weren't unified, they split because of their "dogmatic differences".

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

The Next Karate Kid is a stupid movie ... But inoffensive at the end of the day. I actually watched it on Netflix for the first time in decades over the weekend, and yeah ... Dumb, but innocuous. The movie is really short, too. But hey, I trust the showrunners of Cobra Kai so much at this point that I would actually mark out if Hillary Swank shows up. If the show can do something cool with her that adds to the movie she was in, then why the eff not? I'm down!

The most amusing thing about The Next Karate Kid are the villains. Their existence makes no sense. They're, like ... The student police? What are they, exactly? And what public school would approve of this kind of program? Haha. But hey, I got to see Mr. Miyagi vs. Michael Ironside for a few minutes, and I did enjoy the acting chemistry between Pat Morita and Hillary Swank. It could have been a much worse movie.

The Karate Kid "remake" isn't a bad movie. It just should have never been called The Karate Kid, given that the kid learns martial arts in China ... Which means he's that he's learning Kung-Fu; he's The Kung-Fu Kid. It's obvious the movie studios wanted to name it The Karate Kid because of brand recognition, and it was really stupid. The movie really isn't that much of a Karate Kid remake either. It's difficult for me to even connect this movie with the franchise at all. It truly does feel like it's own thing if you ignore the title.

There are some virtue signalers out there who have asked the Cobra Kai cast if Will Smith's brat son or Jackie Chan will appear on Cobra Kai. They have absolutely no place in this series, for crying out loud. Luckily, Ralph Macchio and William Zabka seem pretty dismissive (but polite) over those dumb questions, though.

Weird part is, Jackie can't reprise his character even if he wanted to himself (which he probably won't due to his rates being probably higher than the show's budget itself). The show references actual Jackie Chan himself once,

 

[UnKillFill]

Weird part is, Jackie can't reprise his character even if he wanted to himself (which he probably won't due to his rates being probably higher than the show's budget itself). The show references actual Jackie Chan himself once,

It would definitely be really fucking stupid if they brought Jackie Chan and/or Jaden Smith to Cobra Kai, and not only should that *not* happen, I'm pretty sure that I've also seen the people who make this show say that it *won't* happen. (thank god.)

With that said, just because they referenced Jackie Chan before in Cobra Kai doesn't mean that the character *couldn't* still be introduced. It would be easy as hell to just handwave it with a "woah, you look like Jackie Chan," joke. Again, I don't think it's gonna happen, and I hope it doesn't. I'm just saying that a shittier-written show could have done exactly what I just said, so I'm thankful that the writing on Cobra Kai isn't shit.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

It would definitely be really fucking stupid if they brought Jackie Chan and/or Jaden Smith to Cobra Kai, and not only should that *not* happen, I'm pretty sure that I've also seen the people who make this show say that it *won't* happen. (thank god.)

With that said, just because they referenced Jackie Chan before in Cobra Kai doesn't mean that the character *couldn't* still be introduced. It would be easy as hell to just handwave it with a "woah, you look like Jackie Chan," joke. Again, I don't think it's gonna happen, and I hope it doesn't. I'm just saying that a shittier-written show could have done exactly what I just said, so I'm thankful that the writing on Cobra Kai isn't shit.

I absolutely agree. More than that, both Zabka & Macchio jokingly mocked the movie themselves:

 

[Calandrino]

The tournament emcee actually spoke the phrase "the best around" but I think they've gone five whole seasons without playing the song.

I thought both Anthony and Kenny were obnoxious little shits. I can't empathize with either of them... they're both bullies now.

Liked it overall though. I also agree the cocaine retcon is a good one. I need to watch part III again and see if the Silver character works now in that light. It seemed like Silver was hinting that Mike Barnes might be coming back.

I watched about half of KK3 last night before I got too sleepy. I could hardly remember a single thing about it. In that movie, Terry Silver is a hilariously broad and over-the-top cackling Evil Rich 80s Guy cartoon stereotype, perpetually on his gold-lined telephone telling his underlings to do random evil things like dump toxic waste at orphanages or whatever. Positively delightful. As silly as it is, Cobra Kai is pretty true to it. He'd have to be on cocaine. His Vivaldi-esque leitmotif used on Cobra Kai started with KK3.

Not sure how season 5 is going to make the cobrakai students a threat. Robby's most likely going to eagle fang, Tori is 50/50 since she won't trust silver, kenny is a middle schooler and Kyler became Hawk's bitch.

Kyler clearly surpassed Hawk as the biggest jobber

But hey, I trust the showrunners of Cobra Kai so much at this point that I would actually mark out if Hillary Swank shows up. If the show can do something cool with her that adds to the movie she was in, then why the eff not? I'm down!

I've never seen either of the post-KK3 movies but I think it would be cool if they got referenced, because hey why not. KK3 isn't exactly a timeless classic and they made that work.

Weird part is, Jackie can't reprise his character even if he wanted to himself (which he probably won't due to his rates being probably higher than the show's budget itself). The show references actual Jackie Chan himself once,

Even The Sopranos could get away with referencing Goodfellas a thousand times even though half the cast was in it. They mentioned the actor Tim Daly by name and then he showed up playing not-himself. ofc he's not the most widely-recognized actor, but that just makes it weirder.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I wonder if they'll ever reference this in the show:

It'd be funny if Daniel ever recounted to Amanda that he once rode on a torpedo and got off as it blew up a warship, only to have Amanda and the others laugh at him.

Or maybe, they can recreate the stunt in live action, with Sam or Amanda on the plane and Johnny catching Daniel as the torpedo he's riding on speeds towards the boat.

The former would be a fun joke, but the latter would be the most 80s Hair Metal thing that the show could possibly do, short of John Kreese or Terry Silver starting a Cobra Kai heavy metal band.

 

[Travoltron]

I wonder if they'll ever reference this in the show:

Was that cartoon any good? I think that show came out when I had outgrown cartoons because I don't really remember seeing it. The "Gilligan's Island" format of trying to take back the shrine but failing every episode also would have frustrated me.
It seemed like it came out way too late... if it had happened a year or so after the first film it would have been a huge hit with the kids.

 

[White Devil]

Was that cartoon any good? I think that show came out when I had outgrown cartoons because I don't really remember seeing it. The "Gilligan's Island" format of trying to take back the shrine but failing every episode also would have frustrated me.
It seemed like it came out way too late... if it had happened a year or so after the first film it would have been a huge hit with the kids.

No.

It was a typical standard fare licensing cash in cartoon like Rambo and RoboCop.

 

[Calandrino]

I wonder if they'll ever reference this in the show:

It'd be funny if Daniel ever recounted to Amanda that he once rode on a torpedo and got off as it blew up a warship, only to have Amanda and the others laugh at him.

Or maybe, they can recreate the stunt in live action, with Sam or Amanda on the plane and Johnny catching Daniel as the torpedo he's riding on speeds towards the boat.

The former would be a fun joke, but the latter would be the most 80s Hair Metal thing that the show could possibly do, short of John Kreese or Terry Silver starting a Cobra Kai heavy metal band.

I checked wikipedia

Cobra Kai series[edit]​

With regard to the series Cobra Kai, Jon Hurwitz clarified that the "Karate Kid cartoon is not canon. But there is an Easter Egg from it in Season 3," in response to the question as to whether "the Karate Kid animated series [is] official within the Karate Kid / Cobra Kai universe?"[6] in the form of the Miyagi-Do shrine, briefly seen at Chozen Toguchi's dojo in Okinawa halfway through the season.[7]

They can sugarcoat it but it sounds like a betrayal of all the true TKK:TAS fans tbh

 

[Tor Lugosi]

They can sugarcoat it but it sounds like a betrayal of all the true TKK:TAS fans tbh

I'm sure all five of them are devastated.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I checked wikipedia

They can sugarcoat it but it sounds like a betrayal of all the true TKK:TAS fans tbh

I'm not that surprised, it was just a tie-in cartoon anyways. No one expects the Rambo or Robocop cartoons to be canon, either.

Still, I'd love to see the stunt with Daniel Larusso riding a torpedo and getting off by having Johnny Lawrence hanging upside-down from a plane catch him as he jumps off. If I were to create a shot that serves as a pivotal scene in the show's finale, that's what I'd do.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Michael Cavalieri, who played the side-villain Ned Randall, whose character was basically just a sociopathic tsundere towards the FemMC, is actually very active in Karate Kid fandom & would love to come back for Cobra Kai

I don't think Hillary Swank had any comment about the movie tho.

I think the problem with 'The Next Karate Kid" in Kobra Kai is that its set so far away from California and the story at large it'd be a real stretch to include it. Maybe with Hilary Swank giving Daniel a pep-talk to get the stick out of his ass? I dunno. But honestly, KK is better than any right it has to be.

 

[Sithis]

Will Smith's talentless son is the worst thing to ever happen to the Karate Kid. Jackie Chan didn't even fucking teach him Karate, it was Kung Fu. That's chink shit, not jap shit.

Didn't you hear the story in S3? Miyagi-Do is supposedly chink shit too The ep was when Daniel was in Okinawa talking to Chozen and they talked about Miyagi Shimpo Sensei who supposedly got lost off the coast and floated to China, and the Chinese taught him Miyagi-Do.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I think the problem with 'The Next Karate Kid" in Kobra Kai is that its set so far away from California and the story at large it'd be a real stretch to include it. Maybe with Hilary Swank giving Daniel a pep-talk to get the stick out of his ass? I dunno. But honestly, KK is better than any right it has to be.

Because I watched it last weekend (and therefore remember): The Next Karate Kid takes place in Boston.

With Silver wanting to expand the Cobra Kai brand (world domination! lol), I think it could be done to have one of the dojos show up in Boston, where Julie Pierce is.

Let's just say that adding Hillary Swank to the series wouldn't be so far-fetched given the set up at the end of season 4. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and I haven't ruled it out just yet.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I wonder if they made a reference to this in Cobra Kai

And yes, I stand by saying that this was a great movie, even if the reviews were poor.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I think the problem with 'The Next Karate Kid" in Kobra Kai is that its set so far away from California and the story at large it'd be a real stretch to include it. Maybe with Hilary Swank giving Daniel a pep-talk to get the stick out of his ass? I dunno. But honestly, KK is better than any right it has to be.

Eh, people do travel so maybe a cameo would do. Plus, in TNKK, Julie (The MC) does travel to a Buddhist monastery so there's that stupid 'proof' that Julie can travel. However, they don't specify where the monastery is, so it could be just a local monastery too. Maybe make a cameo out her coming to Reseda for something.

Also, one more fun fact for those who haven't seen it, the movie introduces is that Miyagi's full name is Nariyoshi Keisuke Miyagi. The Keisuke part was from this movie.

 

[Calandrino]

With Silver wanting to expand the Cobra Kai brand (world domination! lol), I think it could be done to have one of the dojos show up in Boston, where Julie Pierce is.

Silver also announced that he would expand Cobra Kai throughout the valley in KK3. I guess he didn't. We're left to infer that maybe Daniel-san winning the tournament again somehow prevented that, for no apparent reason, which would make about as much sense as anything else in the movie.

I also want to note that the company Silver is president of is called Dyna-tox Industries. Like a Captain Planet villain.

Also, the dialog in Cobra Kai had me thinking that Kreese died in KK3 and they were retconning that into having faked his own death, but I guess not... he's fine at the end of KK3 and I assume TNKK didn't kill him offscreen but I'm not going to watch it to make sure. Rewatching KK3 was suffering enough.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Didn't you hear the story in S3? Miyagi-Do is supposedly chink shit too The ep was when Daniel was in Okinawa talking to Chozen and they talked about Miyagi Shimpo Sensei who supposedly got lost off the coast and floated to China, and the Chinese taught him Miyagi-Do.

In the "remake," the movie specifically points out that kung-fu, not karate, is the martial art that the kid learns.

Which makes it all the dumber how the movie was titled "The Karate Kid" in the first place.

Silver also announced that he would expand Cobra Kai throughout the valley in KK3. I guess he didn't. We're left to infer that maybe Daniel-san winning the tournament again somehow prevented that, for no apparent reason, which would make about as much sense as anything else in the movie.

I also want to note that the company Silver is president of is called Dyna-tox Industries. Like a Captain Planet villain.

Also, the dialog in Cobra Kai had me thinking that Kreese died in KK3 and they were retconning that into having faked his own death, but I guess not... he's fine at the end of KK3 and I assume TNKK didn't kill him offscreen but I'm not going to watch it to make sure. Rewatching KK3 was suffering enough.

I feel like Cobra Kai Season 4 acknowledges that Karate Kid Part III happened, but at the same time, they're kind of retconning it as well. The way Terry Silver was written in Cobra Kai Season 4 was fantastic; the show took all of the great parts about the character but then pointed out the bad writing of Part III in actually pretty funny ways.

I had a great big belly laugh when Silver said "I tortured a kid for 3 whole months ... I was on cocaine that entire time." I also loved it when Daniel was telling Johnny about the events of Part III, and the only significant takeaway Johnny had from everything Daniel told him was how it was bullshit that Daniel was able to just get to the finals just because he was the defending champion. LOL, preach it Johnny! I always thought that was bullshit, too!

I think that the whole "world domination" thing is basically Cobra Kai attempting to tell a competent version of that part of the story, hence why I'm saying they're kind of retconning Part III in that sense. I'm down for it as long as it's done well! I think most of us can say that the setup for it was more than satisfying! The wait for season 5, even if the rumors are true and we won't wait as long for it, will still be a bitch to wait for! Haha.

 

[UnKillFill]

Because I watched it last weekend (and therefore remember): The Next Karate Kid takes place in Boston.

With Silver wanting to expand the Cobra Kai brand (world domination! lol), I think it could be done to have one of the dojos show up in Boston, where Julie Pierce is.

Let's just say that adding Hillary Swank to the series wouldn't be so far-fetched given the set up at the end of season 4. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and I haven't ruled it out just yet.

Before I say anything else, I actually *want* Hillary Swank to show up in Cobra Kai eventually. No matter what, I don't think it will be next season though.

Here's a random comparison to what you said though... In-N-Out Burger (If you didn't know, it's is an over-rated AF West Coast burger joint. If you've never heard of it, think of 5 Guys but just a little bit worse.) started in 1948 and it *STILL* has not made its way east of Texas yet. West coast assholes still swear by it and they probably always will (I've visited the west coast a few times, and made sure to try In-N-Out. It wasn't bad or anything... But I'll say it again, it was over-rated AF.) at the end of the day, if it was really *that* great, it would have already made its way to the east coast after 70ish+ years of existing, and it hasn't.

That wasn't just a tangent. If a relatively popular (but, you know.. over-rated) burger joint couldn't spread from one coast to the other in 70+ years, then I say that there is no way in hell that a random chain of Karate dojos in California would ever spread from the West coast to the East coast in just a couple of weeks/months/or even years. So yeah, I don't think a Cobra Kai dojo is going to open up in Boston by next season.

Even if it did, Julie Pierce never heard about Cobra Kai in her film. The best way to bring Swank into this show would be to say that she already met Daniel offscreen. (Miyagi introduced them. It makes sense if you don't think about it too much.) And she's coming in to help him take out Silver or whatever.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

I wonder if they made a reference to this in Cobra Kai

And yes, I stand by saying that this was a great movie, even if the reviews were poor.

loved it as a kid. used to watch it everyday.