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The only practical reasons I can think of he's not profiting off his back catalog is he's banned from IngramSpark or maybe he had back end deals with his artists or something where they get paid again for a second printing. @robo6 could fill us in on that. It makes no sense if even a hack like @Fandom Pulse can manage to sell his back catalog continuously why Simple Zack couldn't.
I had not thought about it. I can think of several reasons:

1. Low demand.

2. He alienated a lot of fans and did not expand/network, eventually running out of paying customers.

3. He considers his comics limited print.

4. He made deals with his artists that are not very benefitial for him in an attempt to make them ask for less.

Maybe there is more?

It's not a matter of wrong, it's that catering mainstream superhero comics exclusively to an older audience means the younger generation's interest in them hasn't been cultivated. Hard to keep your product selling if the audience is getting older and the kids don't give a shit.
That and their attempts to cater to adults are rather juvenile.

At some point it became acceptable for adults to stay interested in the shit they liked when they were 8. Adults have jobs and money, so the people who make kid's products ended up marketing to grown men who for some reason still want to read about Green Lantern. This is why you see an attempt to reboot He-Man every couple of years despite the fact that He-Man is old and fucking retarded. Kids don't give a fuck about a 45 year old glorified toy commercial. Grown men who want to see a He-Man show/movie need to be put on a list. It seems like a large portion of the entertainment/pop culture industry is marketed towards this kind of arrested development.
It, largely, was always that way. The idea of works catering to children specifically is rather new in human history. Animation was for adults as well as for kids on equal measure back in the day. So were comics, books, TV programs etc etc. Childhood was not seen as its own thing (especially as it is seen now) until much later in human history.
 
He's complaining about Hal Jordan should be a geriatric again. Nigga Superman hasn't came out yet, dude would he 64 by the time they actually start doing shit with green lantern. Nice to know he still uses twitter.

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Pot calling kettle. Richard created and attracted the audience and he's now doing his best to "purge" said audience. That's why he's losing subscribers and barely able to fund his comics.
I feel like this is his own old man insecurities flaring up, because anyone should be able understand the concerns here.

It’s not a slight against Kyle or Josh to say that if they plan this movie-verse for 10+ years, it’s not realistic to expect these men in their late 50s-60s to deliver a quality action performance then. Now might even be pushing it.

Zack is just realizing he’s old and hasn’t accomplished anything of note but embarrassing himself and caving to his bully publicly, and now he’s living vicariously through old actors.
 
He's complaining about Hal Jordan should be a geriatric again. Nigga Superman hasn't came out yet, dude would he 64 by the time they actually start doing shit with green lantern. Nice to know he still uses twitter.

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Pot calling kettle. Richard created and attracted the audience and he's now doing his best to "purge" said audience. That's why he's losing subscribers and barely able to fund his comics.
Shouldn't Bart Simpson be in his 40's by now? They should do that show. Everybody would watch.
 
It, largely, was always that way. The idea of works catering to children specifically is rather new in human history. Animation was for adults as well as for kids on equal measure back in the day. So were comics, books, TV programs etc etc. Childhood was not seen as its own thing (especially as it is seen now) until much later in human history.
Sure, a lot of stuff was suitable for all audiences without resorting to being kindergarten pablum, and I think that's probably the way stuff like superhero comics should still be. If Spider-Man comics are too dark or too convoluted for a 10 year old, it's safe to say that something has gone sideways.
 
The only practical reasons I can think of he's not profiting off his back catalog is he's banned from IngramSpark or maybe he had back end deals with his artists or something where they get paid again for a second printing. @robo6 could fill us in on that. It makes no sense if even a hack like @Fandom Pulse can manage to sell his back catalog continuously why Simple Zack couldn't.

Probably comes down to him just being gay and lazy.

Comicsgate guys have had years to do what Eric July has already done, set up their own portal for selling books on demand, but none of them have managed yet.

And none of them have figured out that if you're having trouble fulfilling on time, then you wait until you're almost done with the book before you start the crowdfund, so they are fucking stupid on top of being gay and lazy.
 
He's complaining about Hal Jordan should be a geriatric again. Nigga Superman hasn't came out yet, dude would he 64 by the time they actually start doing shit with green lantern. Nice to know he still uses twitter.

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Pot calling kettle. Richard created and attracted the audience and he's now doing his best to "purge" said audience. That's why he's losing subscribers and barely able to fund his comics.
"YOU BUNCH OF COMIC READING GEEKS! YOU LOSER COMIC READERS! GO GIVE YOURSELF A SWIRLY, YOU DORKWADS!"

The words of the Very Professional comic book creator and Proprietor of a Legitimate, Veteran-Owned Comic Book Publishing Business, Ya Boi Zack.

I think it would be funny for a more ambitious YouTuber to create a video series of Zack, the Hot Dog Salesman who treats his hot dog customers the same way that Ya Boi treats his comic customers.

"Um, sir, I've been waiting for my hot dog for over two hours now. Could I get a refund?"

"WHAT YOU STUPID, HOT DOG-EATING BUFFOON! YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST ORDER A HOT DOG AND THEN JUST CANCEL IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY POLITICAL OPINIONS??? YOU'RE GOING TO DISRUPT MY WHOLE HOT DOG ASSEMBLY LINE, YOU IDIOT. GET FUCKED! YOU'RE GETTING A HOT DOG, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT!"

"PEOPLE WHO LIKE HOT DOGS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH. YOU CLOSE-MINDED DIMWITS DEMANDING YOUR MUSTARD AND YOUR RELISH. LITERALLY STFU AND WATCH A HOT DOG COMMERCIAL, YOU APES!"
 
It, largely, was always that way.
If we're talking pulps from say 1850-1950, it was largely either more explicitly clean and for children and general audiences, or what is now the Young Adult audience that reads genre fantasy and watches Adult Swim. 14-24, roughly. Like, I'm not going to say that science fiction or some other parallel was exclusively targeting that age bracket, but it wasn't going for the kind of middle aged disney adult consumers we have today.

I think what's more interesting is what passed for young adult media in that time, it was pretty racy.
 
"WHAT YOU STUPID, HOT DOG-EATING BUFFOON! YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST ORDER A HOT DOG AND THEN JUST CANCEL IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY POLITICAL OPINIONS??? YOU'RE GOING TO DISRUPT MY WHOLE HOT DOG ASSEMBLY LINE, YOU IDIOT. GET FUCKED! YOU'RE GETTING A HOT DOG, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT!"
Forgot to say veteran owned hotdog stand.
 
If we're talking pulps from say 1850-1950, it was largely either more explicitly clean and for children and general audiences, or what is now the Young Adult audience that reads genre fantasy and watches Adult Swim. 14-24, roughly. Like, I'm not going to say that science fiction or some other parallel was exclusively targeting that age bracket, but it wasn't going for the kind of middle aged disney adult consumers we have today.

I think what's more interesting is what passed for young adult media in that time, it was pretty racy.
Let us go even older: Renaissance and older in fact. Back in the day, children (Jesus especially) were depicted as miniature middle aged men. Why? Because childhood was not seen as its own thing and children were seen as merely incomplete adults. It was not until later that childhood got the recognition it has today and children (including Jesus) were drawn accurately. My point is, what constitutes as work directed at children and what a child is, has changed over the years. None of those things are what we think of them today. Fairytales were filled with rape and murder when they were told to people including children back in the day but most folks today would recognise those as inappropriate. Things change but we have to acknowledge that they do.
 
This: Why not just give the people their refunds, print the books, and then resell them, Zachary? You'd make a profit even!

The only practical reasons I can think of he's not profiting off his back catalog is he's banned from IngramSpark or maybe he had back end deals with his artists or something where they get paid again for a second printing. @robo6 could fill us in on that. It makes no sense if even a hack like @Fandom Pulse can manage to sell his back catalog continuously why Simple Zack couldn't.

One possible reason is that he doesn't do his own fulfillment. Whomever he uses probably does both printing and mailing/customer service. For the comics that did fairly well, it would make sense to print extras or do a second print run down the line to get new eyes. Or for people that missed the original campaigns. But the last thing he probably wants are cases of comics in his garage or wherever collecting dust while waiting for them to sell on eBay or wherever. He could send them off to Amazon or Deliverr or the like. But they'll charge storage fees as well as the fulfillment fees and he probably doesn't want to pay that if he isn't really selling them elsewhere after the campaign ends.

One thing I'll give Ethan credit on is he has extras printed of his comics wants he finally gets to printing them. But doing so requires a warehouse/storage unit and possibly staff. And hopefully enough people that are wanting to buy stuff later.

Another possibility is print on demand comics that a few have/are doing. But people that want to resale these things would probably scoff at it. Kind of wondering now what the percentages are of people that buy CG stuff to collect/resale or just to read.

Probably comes down to him just being gay and lazy.

Comicsgate guys have had years to do what Eric July has already done, set up their own portal for selling books on demand, but none of them have managed yet.

Yeah. It'd be nothing for these people to just make a website to sell their stuff. Could even go with one of the ready-made sites via Square or Wix or whatever else is out there.
 
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He's complaining about Hal Jordan should be a geriatric again. Nigga Superman hasn't came out yet, dude would he 64 by the time they actually start doing shit with green lantern. Nice to know he still uses twitter.

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Pot calling kettle. Richard created and attracted the audience and he's now doing his best to "purge" said audience. That's why he's losing subscribers and barely able to fund his comics.
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I think Zack may be a might resentful that a lot of British pop culture channels are more respected than his slop opinions.
I feel like this is his own old man insecurities flaring up, because anyone should be able understand the concerns here.

It’s not a slight against Kyle or Josh to say that if they plan this movie-verse for 10+ years, it’s not realistic to expect these men in their late 50s-60s to deliver a quality action performance then. Now might even be pushing it.

Zack is just realizing he’s old and hasn’t accomplished anything of note but embarrassing himself and caving to his bully publicly, and now he’s living vicariously through old actors.
Getting older is rough. However, you don't have to turn into an embarrassing loser when you get old. Even if your main interest is comic books. As Zack loves to point out, all the guys he hates are in the same age group as he is and working in much the same area as he is. Given he had an in with The Critical Drinker, he should have been able to network with them and grown his own "veteran owned small business." But, instead he's doing... whatever in the Hell he's doing now. Well, it will be fun to watch him crash and burn as long as he can still get that job at the loading dock before it's too late. Otherwise it will be pretty grim. I can just see him disappearing from Youtube for a while and the next time we see him he's ranting at someone from his cardboard box home in whatever Arby's parking lot he is calling home, "Give me some money... cough... you loser. I drew a comic book on these Arby sandwich wrappers... cough, cough... what are you one of those losers who watches Birthday Party Clowns... cough."
 
Zack was a marine, right? why is he so much being a fucking pansy ass faggot calling them FNT group as birthday party clowns? why don't he man up and just call them grifting faggots?
Zack has always talked like a faggot: "Silly Billy's", "Birthday Party Clowns", I used to think it was because he had young kids sometimes parents with young kids start picking up this way of talking that is weirdly childish but not I just think he's homo, how can you respect a man who's girlfriend was eating another dudes jizz in front him?

If Zack is the best the marines got then the US military is far more pozzed and gay than anyone could have ever imagined.
 
Why is Zack going after Drinker? Didn't he hire him to write a script for a Rambo comic?
He got really angry that the furiosa movie bombed at the box office
Zack blames this on youtube critics like drinker because he thinks they have a huge control over their viewers and can influence and significantly alter the popularity of a movie
 
Why is Zack going after Drinker? Didn't he hire him to write a script for a Rambo comic?
It's what Jack London would call a case of mortal antipathy.

What right had such a man to be happy? Yet he was an optimist. He was always gleeful and laughing. All things were always all right, curse him! Ah I how it grated on my soul that he should be so happy! Other men could laugh, and it did not bother me. I even used to laugh myself--before I met John Claverhouse.
(Just replace John Claverhouse with the Critical Drinker and the narrator with Zack.)

Truthfully, we haven't gotten a good explanation of the why, as far as I know. Zack seems to be weirdly mad when anyone criticizes Hollywood slop nowadays, but I think it's actually jealousy and unfocused malice on Zack's part. I'll just say to the Drinker, if Zack invites him into a wine cellar to try some amontillado, maybe take a rain check.
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The true causes of the industry's decline were the same ones plaguing it for decades: variant covers and "debut issues" flooding shelves while trying to reel in collectors and speculation reseller whales, stupid crossover events constantly fucking with continuity because of editorial retardation, lack of (actual) diversity of genres that cater to demographics outside of boomers who like capeshit, and the comics themselves being isolated to only comic shops which naturally repel the normies who used to make up the majority of comic sales before the medium mostly became a hobby for "divorced middle-aged dentists" as Meyer likes to say.

CG, comics YT, Zack himself said it at the start: nobody is putting out cheap, mass market, broadly appealing, standalone stories that kids pick up for a few cents of their allowance. Zack (or maybe Perch, I forget) used to do comparisons of old covers with their prices, enter it in the inflation calculator, and show that modern comics were still higher. Sometimes DC/Marvel are charging double the inflation-adjusted price for a comic with fewer story pages.

The problem is CG only had one tool at their disposal, crowdfunding, so they forced their solution to fit their tool. Graphic novels, prestige formats, long form arcs in a single volume, these are not the return to comics' roots; they're an iteration on the modern offerings. None of them figured out a way to sell cheap monthly floppies, at scale.

(To be fair the route for that was probably closed after the mainstream players froze Zack's books out of store shelves. But if CG was going to be the "direct to consumer" rebel model, it was incumbent on them to build out a B2C channel capable of supporting an industry. Or they could have teamed up with someone like Alterna Comics, who does exactly that but has a lack of IPs to work with. None of them tried, until Eric July, and now they won't utilize it because of gay drama.)

For all the shit the mainstream industry does, at least they could (mostly) keep their output to a reliable schedule. EVS and Zack couldn't fill out a year's quota of monthly stories in their respective IPs, even if someone else did all the fulfillment work for them.
 
Why is Zack going after Drinker? Didn't he hire him to write a script for a Rambo comic?

It wouldn't surprise me if some of it is because he expected Drinker to advertise the comic more than he did. Similar with EVS disliking Eric July not promoting CG much (if at all). Maybe Drinker did and I missed it. But I don't recall him really mentioning at all.

There is also the possibility he dislikes people that have different opinions than him on movies.
 
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