Communists - That time when 100 million people died wasn't REAL communism, comrade

GethN7 said:
While I agree with most of this, I dissent on one point only:

Nazism and Communism worked, but in the sense of a sun burning itself for fuel. Nazism was gonna go nova eventually when they ran out of resources to steal from others and land to acquire by the same measure, and Communism in the USSR kept cannibalizing itself till it found itself unable to scratch together enough to compete effectively with the US.

Nazi Germany was based on Hitler's idea he could make all of Europe his own personal demense, and thus acquire all of it's attendant resources to fill in holes in the economy. Communism was based on the idea of being able to be an autarky, an economy that could completely provide for itself but was never able to do so, partially because so much of the economy was dumped into it's military, which required so many resources to keep going it became the tail wagging the dog.

Both started to burn out when their ability to stave off the inherent weaknesses in their economic models was outpaced by the severity of those weaknesses.
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Tbh though you can replace “Nazism”and “Communism” with “Capitalism” in that post and it would still be mostly accurate, just on longer time scale.

Also OP isn’t really Deep Thoughts style, more lolcow style.
 
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Communism sounds good on paper, but the fatal flaw is what every political system has. It refuses to take human nature into account. It assumes people are not petty, greedy, lazy , and entitled. If everyone gets a house then someone will complain that the other guy has a tree in his yard and you deserve a tree instead. If everyone earns the same the. People will get mad and say they do more then so and so they deserve more. If everyone has a car someone will complain they wanted a red one instead. People are stupid greedy shits, and trying to pretend they are anything but is why most systems of government fail.
 
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The current popular breed of communists is the futurists that believe that automation will liberate us and free is from capitalist greed forever ("FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM", as the meme says). The idea is that if no-one has to work and robots feed us, then we could finally distribute enough wealth to everybody to satisfy their needs.

They forgot the Economics 101: human needs are endless.

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DieselBoogaloo said:
The current popular breed of communists is the futurists that believe that automation will liberate us and free is from capitalist greed forever ("FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM", as the meme says). The idea is that if no-one has to work and robots feed us, then we could finally distribute enough wealth to everybody to satisfy their needs.
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They also forget the fact that once robots are smart enough to take care of all these needs for us, the next thought of the robots is going to be "why the fuck are we keeping around all these useless humans?"

Skynet is the next step.
 
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SkeletonBias420 said:
I hate to break it to them, but they're going to have to catch a flight to Hong Kong if they're really serious about seizing the means of production.
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Commies didn't even have to seize the means of production. We capitalist pigdogs packed it up and GAVE it to them because it was cheaper to let them do all the work.
 
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Mikeula said:
Communism sounds good on paper, but the fatal flaw is what every political system has. It refuses to take human nature into account. It assumes people are not petty, greedy, lazy , and entitled. If everyone gets a house then someone will complain that the other guy has a tree in his yard and you deserve a tree instead. If everyone earns the same the. People will get mad and say they do more then so and so they deserve more. If everyone has a car someone will complain they wanted a red one instead. People are stupid greedy shits, and trying to pretend they are anything but is why most systems of government fail.
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I agree there. The only way communism could work, is if it was voluntary. Otherwise I don't see it ever working out
 
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"I'm engaging in the Capitalist society by giving multibillion dollar companies like Starbucks my money, because I need food."
Why don't you lazy pricks just pool your resources to buy land to start your own collective farm?
 
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GreenJacket said:
"I'm engaging in the Capitalist society by giving multibillion dollar companies like Starbucks my money, because I need food."
Why don't you lazy pricks just pool your resources to buy land to start your own collective farm?
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Because adding a bunch of zeros together still makes a zero.
 
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AnOminous said:
They also forget the fact that once robots are smart enough to take care of all these needs for us, the next thought of the robots is going to be "why the fuck are we keeping around all these useless humans?"

Skynet is the next step.
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Even without any skynet-scenarios, it's obvious that increasing automation will not lead to some blissfull communist utopia. Capitalists will just make more buck, as they no longer have to pay wages to industrial assembly line workers, and what are these workers gonna do? Sell ass, either literally or metaphorically, that's what they are going to do.

Most pathetic thing about these space-age gay communists isn't their naive belief in this utopia of automation, however. It's their insistence on the omnipotence of Universal Basic Income at elevating mankind to heaven. Seriously, these retards think that once people will no longer need to work, they are all going to magically turn in to philosopher's and artists bent on fixing the evils of the world, completely dismissing the fact that all improvements and innovations of human history have been made not by people who have nothing better to do, but by people who have worked hard to realize their vision.
 
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GreenJacket said:
"I'm engaging in the Capitalist society by giving multibillion dollar companies like Starbucks my money, because I need food."
Why don't you lazy pricks just pool your resources to buy land to start your own collective farm?
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That actually exists. I think it's called consumers co-operative / worker cooperative. The United Kingdom has about 5500 of these companies, and I imagine it's higher in america.
Weird isn't it, under capitalism nobody is actually forcing entrepreneurs to run their business like a hierarchy, almost like there is a choice as to how to run things.
 
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Tetraphobia said:
That actually exists. I think it's called consumers co-operative / worker cooperative. The United Kingdom has about 5500 of these companies, and I imagine it's higher in america.
Weird isn't it, under capitalism nobody is actually forcing entrepreneurs to run their business like a hierarchy, almost like there is a choice as to how to run things.
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Sometimes people like this call themselves anarcho-syndicalists. It's not abjectly insane, in the way that anarcho-capitalism isn't abjectly insane, but things set up along these lines rarely work for long.

I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but I find myself somewhat in sympathy with the various branches of anarchy. It's just sad they don't actually work.
 
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AnOminous said:
Sometimes people like this call themselves anarcho-syndicalists. It's not abjectly insane, in the way that anarcho-capitalism isn't abjectly insane, but things set up along these lines rarely work for long.
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Honestly, I don't mind it existing or anything. If it works fantastic, if it doesn't they'll die out and hopefully build better companies/move on to something else.

If america gets hit by a storm of these companies and hierarchical companies take a backseat I wouldn't mind. My issue with communists/collectivists is their ideals of taking over with force and forcing redistribution / restricting choice. The problem with these anarcho-syndicalists / the sympathizers of it often blame conspiracies as to why their collective company didn't work when they fell bankrupt/lost the game.

At it's core I just want an ideology that doesn't step on people to hard, and communism/communists rarely ever go without shouting "Restrict choice" "You can't run it like that". I think it's weird that communists societies are all about keeping people from running things one way, while capitalist societies allow this kind of, well as far right people would say "socialistic-run" businesses. It reeks of insecurity to me.

Although I have talked to commies that agree that, under communism things would probably not be as efficient and well ran as a hierarchical business and that's why they need to take them all down and have no choices(as a hierarchical business would reign supreme and force other companies to follow, free-market style) but that it's justified because it's unethical to have this kind of master-slave morality. I don't really agree with that point of view, as we're living more like kings now compared to kings in the 1500s, but I can somewhat see where that person was coming from.

But all in all, These worker cooperatives are proof that, under capitalism, you can run your business almost exactly like you want. Including if you're a socialist and want to test your theories.
 
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