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It really is not stated often enough just how bad the dialogue in James Gunn's Superman is. Dialogue is often what young writers are interested in doing well in, can be easily checked by reading it aloud, which Gunn did multiple times in the editing process. It's not fair to compare Gunn to Hemingway, but Hills like White Elephants is a general guide to how dialogue is supposed to be written. When Gunn does the opposite of that, it makes characters sound like they're rationalizing their own behaviors, so Supes sounds like he doesn't believe it himself when he says he's a human being.The Virgin Gunn Superman: “LOIS THEY CALLED ME A FAGGOT!”
Genuinely still have not watched it and will not. A crying Superman is not something I’ll waste my time on.It really is not stated often enough just how bad the dialogue in James Gunn's Superman is. Dialogue is often what young writers are interested in doing well in, can be easily checked by reading it aloud, which Gunn did multiple times in the editing process. It's not fair to compare Gunn to Hemingway, but Hills like White Elephants is a general guide to how dialogue is supposed to be written. When Gunn does the opposite of that, it makes characters sound like they're rationalizing their own behaviors, so Supes sounds like he doesn't believe it himself when he says he's a human being.
One thing I like about the first Reeve movie, is Clark/Superman is actually visually albeit subtly enjoying doing the whole secret identity schtick on Lois and everyone else.He’s fun, that’s why nothing but the first Reeve movie got it right, he can be any theme but it better be fun. Fucking love this page, bro had a neet-phase.
The 2025 movie had an interesting idea where Lois already knows Clark's secret and they hide their relationship in public, but it was only for like, a single scene before they started arguing over Twitter calling Superman "Supershit".One thing I like about the first Reeve movie, is Clark/Superman is actually visually albeit subtly enjoying doing the whole secret identity schtick on Lois and everyone else.
I still can't believe Superman being a little bitch because people are calling him names online is a real scene.The 2025 movie had an interesting idea where Lois already knows Clark's secret and they hide their relationship in public, but it was only for like, a single scene before they started arguing over Twitter calling Superman "Supershit".
I love macho Clark/Superman. They’ve really scooped that element out of big blue. Before the modern misery porn, he was funny in how he’d like “the game” with Lois, like having pussy dumbbells in his apartment and getting a kick out of Lois calling it weak and doing a set right there, as the goofy fuck goes and laser-shaves while winking at the reader.One thing I like about the first Reeve movie, is Clark/Superman is actually visually albeit subtly enjoying doing the whole secret identity schtick on Lois and everyone else.
Even actual cuck Nu52 Superman didn’t get fucked up over being called a piece of shit. That’s how low Gunnman is, below the the worst Superman incarnation.I still can't believe Superman being a little bitch because people are calling him names online is a real scene.
Should of just hammer down some shots and find someone or something being a nuisance and tenderize it like a real man.
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It does show that Superman in those movies has a sense of humor and how understated it can be. It also shows a bit of conflict when he agonizes over telling Lois who he really is.One thing I like about the first Reeve movie, is Clark/Superman is actually visually albeit subtly enjoying doing the whole secret identity schtick on Lois and everyone else.
Superman would just laugh at being called Supershit and then follow it up with "not that I am condoning the casual profanity." Everyone forgets that Superman is confident, he knows he's capable, confident and above all he can take everyone who comes at him. With a little bit of effort he can usually control the situation.I still can't believe Superman being a little bitch because people are calling him names online is a real scene.
“So you’re not a Boy Scout after all.”God y’know this thread really opened my eyes. I went into the film with super low expectations, so I guess I latched onto anything good.
my personal pros/positive opinions:
Cool flying scenes
Lex was at least a little more accurate than Snyder lex
The fight sequences had some creative moments
The women were hot as fuck
Supes wasn’t quite so edgey
The dad and Superman talk scene was nice
But looking back on it, Superman really did seem more like a pre-puebescent boy than an adult man. Especially when he had an actual tantrum in front of Lois Lane in the apartment. Or when he starts screaming like a chimp at Luthor.
I mean, I’ve read plenty of comics, seen older media on him. He’s ALWAYS portrayed as a good natured Boy Scout esque figure with an overall confident yet firm demeanor. A state all men should aim to achieve. A true leader that can feel his hardships and sorrows without pouring it out to the world at any given opportunity and making it their problem.
If supes had been more stoic, and less loud when the serious talks started, I’d have much less issue with the film.
Superman being emotionally vulnerable is better expressed when he defends his actions in Boravia by saying, "PEOPLE WERE GOING TO DIE!", not whining about a nickname a middle-schooler would call stupid.I still can't believe Superman being a little bitch because people are calling him names online is a real scene.
Reminds me of how they portrayed Aquaman in one of the Batman cartoons, a hot-blooded hero who doesn't let jokes get to his head.Superman would just laugh at being called Supershit and then follow it up with "not that I am condoning the casual profanity." Everyone forgets that Superman is confident, he knows he's capable, confident and above all he can take everyone who comes at him. With a little bit of effort he can usually control the situation.
While I'm guessing the intent is to show a more inexperienced Superman, it's the exact same problem I had with Man of Steel and even The Batman, making something that was always an established aspect of the character's personality, removing it, and making an entire arc about them learning what they should already know.I think that's what really gets me about James Gunn's Superman. The dude can bench press a building, there is a type of confidence and self assuredness that comes from that level of strength. Along with a strong moral foundation and a sense of right and wrong. People generally shouldn't shit talk him to his face, either because they know what he can do. Or they have a grudging(at the minimum)respect for him.
Having him come across as kind of a bitch, and everyone treats him like a loser diminishes the character, and it diminishes the villians. Lex is less imposing when facing down Superman, because everyone faces down Superman.
That's not actually that far from how he reacted when he was beamed into mid 2000s DC to be fair. Only for 2000s Superman to go "Well yeah but a perfect world wouldn't need superheroes would it?This how Earth-2 Superman would’ve actually acted if he got beamed from the 60s to modern DC.
Nah, Luthor should always be confident even as he spits on a literal God without protection. It is one of the best aspects of his character, the sheer self-importance even in a room of people who can kill him in 5 seconds.Luthor should never just be acting openly "fuck you" confident in front of Superman like he was in that scene unless he's got a stick of kryptonite in his pocket irradiating his ballsack and giving him cancer again.
The disrespect to the Golden Age Superman is always astounding, especially with how based old Kal was. Dude was beating the shit out of bankers, landlords and arms dealers. Could you imagine that nowadays? He was right to beat main Clark like a bitch.That's not actually that far from how he reacted when he was beamed into mid 2000s DC to be fair. Only for 2000s Superman to go "Well yeah but a perfect world wouldn't need superheroes would it?)))" and Earth-2 Superman suddenly decided that all of the awful awful things that DC started to do post-crisis (Rape, Rampant Murder, Heroes viscerally killing villains, killing a Robin) were actually just sort of fine, and that it was really Superboy Prime and Alexander Luthor Junior that were the REAL bad guys for trying to make an actual perfect world.
Man Infinite Crisis was fucking stupid.
Then DC would go on to have Superboy Prime murder Earth-2 Superman and then later on DC literally resurrected him as a zombie for a bit during Blackest Night. Yeah! Yeah! Spit on his grave!
You don't hate comicbooks enough.
As for the dogshit movie.
When I saw Superman chimping out at Luthor like he was being presented as the Soyjak while Luthor portrayed himself as the gigachad, I couldn't help but think of this MUCH better scene from the comics for how Superman is SUPPOSED to act when Luthor manages to piss him off.
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None of this "WHERE IS DOG AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!?" shit. Like nigger use your x-ray vision, superspeed and superhearing. Fuck me.
Luthor should never just be acting openly "fuck you" confident in front of Superman like he was in that scene unless he's got a stick of kryptonite in his pocket irradiating his ballsack and giving him cancer again.
Sure but Movie Lex isn't that at all. He just sort of comes off as retarded most of the time, and then he basically goes I AM SUPER INSECURE THAT YOU EXIST GRRRRR out loud at Superman, hardly the gigachad peak of humanity specimen that he ought to be.Nah, Luthor should always be confident even as he spits on a literal God without protection. It is one of the best aspects of his character, the sheer self-importance even in a room of people who can kill him in 5 seconds.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PTfiXcN7-NYThe best meeting is still this. Both come off reasonable and confident, barring Lex throwing the model as an understandable break in character.
It honestly comes off like something you'd see Homelander do, not Superman.When I saw Superman chimping out at Luthor like he was being presented as the Soyjak while Luthor portrayed himself as the gigachad, I couldn't help but think of this MUCH better scene from the comics for how Superman is SUPPOSED to act when Luthor manages to piss him off.
None of this "WHERE IS DOG AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!?" shit. Like nigger use your x-ray vision, superspeed and superhearing. Fuck me.
And the people here would have much better insults than "Supershit".The Superman in Gunn's universe would have a very active thread on KF and the fucker is so petty that he would read it and seethe about it.
It would be pretty funny to a-log a superhero, could you imagine da sektur culture in the DC universe?Superman should be someone I aspire to be.
If I can take online criticism better than him, he loses his purpose.
The Superman in Gunn's universe would have a very active thread on KF and the fucker is so petty that he would read it and seethe about it.