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This entire thread could have been prevented if Android Raptors mom had actually aborted her when she was young. Then we could at the very least not have to deal with her shitty posts.
Debate Android Raptor about abortion again
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Welcome to Evil Ash Rants Parodies 2: Electric Boogaloo (man this shit is corny). I'm sorry but I am not going to use a ruler to measure the length of this post against my previous one, just skip to the part that interests you.
First Line: I am guessing you are referring to the determination of who lives and who dies? If we the great master race of Kiwi determined that we cannot decide who lives and who dies, then what gives us the right to determine this for "criminals"? Which I have argued is something that even within societies is not something that is agreed upon easily. In America if I praise Der Failure, the worst that happens to me is I get spit on, in Germany: I would be in prison.
Second line: No way, that's one of the most retarded things I have ever heard, unless it's a Jew fetus. What, I'm kidding (no I'm not).
First Line: My god, even Hitler was a vegetarian, you monster. You mentioned earlier that criminals are fair game, or do you consider criminals to not be human? What, even the pick-pocket: but he was starving to death. I personally support the death penalty if it is given to someone who has been sentenced to life in prison, who chooses to die instead of living out his days in a cage, or at any point during his sentence if he changes his mind.
Second line: Why Canada? There are states in the US that agree with Canada's reasoning for MAID, why should they not be allowed to implement similar policy? Also MAID is harder to get than it looks, you need to be terminally ill to get it. I am sure you are familiar with many laws in many states that you personally might not like, not just on the abortion issue. Do you see yourself as a "Federalist": in that you want the national government to implement policy nationally? This is dangerous for you (assuming you are right of center) because Liberal ideology is the current king of the western world, and US' republican view of government is what is keeping California from legally beating the other states into submission.
This is a question of morality. I cannot argue against this. I myself do not value human life as you do, instead I value individual life based on it's individual merit. Hence why I "cherry pick" ideology when it suits me best. I have a "pragmatic" or even a nihilistic view of life. Notice the amount of "I" I used here. I am not going to try to make you see things my way. I am just warning you, that there are others out there who will not be as honest with you as I am. They will claim to value human life, they will offer sanctuary for the weak. Then when they have majority support, they will recreate entire societies as they see fit, and you may not like the end result. Hence my babbling against Globohomo and escaping on a space shuttle when things do go south.
First Line: Yes the default goal is profit. But what a company does with its profits is what can be judged as greedy or not. There are nonprofit companies that funnel money to charities. There are government run companies that seek to provide a service for their people. Some companies exist to introduce humanity to a new idea, or product. You even state that companies maximize profits reasonably. But greed is excess and therefore unreasonable by nature. Also, before Wokeism, there was the War on Terror, before that the Cold War,. Try being an Arab, especially if you are a Shiite, during the War on Terror: very company would racially profile you preventing you from getting a job to opening a bank account. The Cold War is a much better example: it was more than just discrimination against communists, I would argue that everything that is happening to conservatives under Wokiesm, happened to the liberals during the Cold War era.
Second Line: Most shareholders have day jobs and/or hobbies and they usually meet rather infrequently. There is much damage that executives can do to their own company either because of stupidity or even maliciousness when they are not being watched. I will not bore you anymore with this topic, I am not a big business guy either.
First Line: Agreed
Second Line: As a man it is retarded for me to argue against this. But as someone who will never be a father and is therefore "detached": the man sauce is like the secret ingredient in a McDolands burger. It is a vital component but it is still the smallest part of the sandwich, and unless you are Gordon Ramsey, you will probably not notice it's presence in the burger. I do not oppose your argument here in that if I become the next world overlord I will not legislate against your viewpoint, I pinky promise.
Third Line: Wait, if neither the fetus, nor the mom or dad have the right to determine the fate of the fetus, and earlier you said that no one should determine who lives or dies, who gets to make the final decision on the fetus' fate? You? God? Nature?
Fourth Line: Feminism is my enemy as much as it is yours, even if for different reasons. But your argument on assisted suicide is the same as my argument for you here. Move your family to a pro-life community, fighting the good fight is fun and all when you are young and strong enough, but if you have a family, you need to move them to the safest place you can think of, even if you hate the idea of feminism or any other ideology you disagree with ruling some part of the country, you cannot win every fight, what are you: the Doom Guy?
So nature is then the determiner of someones life? I can go on a ranting spree regarding the non-aggression axiom, but I will leave you with this: most (if not all) governments have a monopoly on violence, does this mean that government gets to decide which fetus lives and which one doesn't?
One man's evil is another man's good. Yes this is a stupid moral relativism argument but again, I cannot argue morality, unless Yahweh (yea, I said his name, do something about it) dumps a stone on my house that outlines the rules of morality for humans, I personally will not be swayed by moral arguments.
This was also part of your argument regarding assisted suicide. The State owns everything, even the anarchist golden state of Somalia now has a government. I hate the state, more than you can possible imagine. But the truth is that even in the creation of so called "constitutional" or "free" countries: all rights are given out by the governments, some countries give out more rights than others. And there is almost nothing a regular person can do alone to stop a government from taking these rights back if they so wanted. If you have a land depute with the local government, you may be able to protect yourself, even if it is not easy. But if the federal government determined that you have a gold mine under your property, without a vast network of lawyers and other allies, the government will eventually pull out some bullshit law (cough, national security, cough), and kick you to the curb.
Don't listen to the government claiming that rights are natural. All rights are created by governments. Nature gives out no rights.
The question of innocence is almost as vague as morality for me, yes I will pull out the stupid baby Hitler and the time machine argument. Your ideological opponents will join their own death-squads and the 50 millionth war between humans will occur. Fighting over ideology is common with humans, and some of the fighting can get bloody.
Here is a more specific example: I meet a black man just after the American civil war, and he tells me of his experience as a slave. If I myself am a white person who knows of the horrors of slavery, I then sympathize with him. But I was a black person who was a slave myself, I would then empathize with the black man's story.
Yes I subscribe to the Dark Lord Weekly Magazine (while supplies last). My stance is more than just moral relativism, it is moral individualism. Yes I am an evil bastard, but I get shit done. Others consider morality, because they cannot live with themselves otherwise.
I officially don't exist, no one can find me. The guy you killed earlier was my body double. I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories regarding winged retards outside my window that want to execute me because I wrong-think. But hey, if you want to earn the 5 trillion dollar bounty on my head, that is your business. But I warn you: there is a reason the bounty is 5 trillion.
To some, there is right and wrong, to others it does not exist. Like I mentioned earlier: humans have fought many senseless wars simply because they wanted to force their own view of morality upon their adversary, But ultimately in my view: nobody's view of morality is objectively correct, likewise It is absolutely correct to disagree with me on this.
The topic at hand is debating android raptor about her view on abortion, since she has left this chessboard sometime during the last ice age, this debate morphed into questions of morality and other stuff that is not my area of expertise (not that anything is). People "should" abort based on their own value system, this is the argument that I have made several times now, but I have indeed tried to tackle this issue from multiple angles, even if half my attempts were retarded. This is not a secret meeting of the Jews, and we are not measuring each others Jewishness levels, and determining law for the multiverse. Discussions morph even if there is nothing to be said but the topic is still interesting.
First Line: I am guessing you are referring to the determination of who lives and who dies? If we the great master race of Kiwi determined that we cannot decide who lives and who dies, then what gives us the right to determine this for "criminals"? Which I have argued is something that even within societies is not something that is agreed upon easily. In America if I praise Der Failure, the worst that happens to me is I get spit on, in Germany: I would be in prison.
Second line: No way, that's one of the most retarded things I have ever heard, unless it's a Jew fetus. What, I'm kidding (no I'm not).
First Line: My god, even Hitler was a vegetarian, you monster. You mentioned earlier that criminals are fair game, or do you consider criminals to not be human? What, even the pick-pocket: but he was starving to death. I personally support the death penalty if it is given to someone who has been sentenced to life in prison, who chooses to die instead of living out his days in a cage, or at any point during his sentence if he changes his mind.
Second line: Why Canada? There are states in the US that agree with Canada's reasoning for MAID, why should they not be allowed to implement similar policy? Also MAID is harder to get than it looks, you need to be terminally ill to get it. I am sure you are familiar with many laws in many states that you personally might not like, not just on the abortion issue. Do you see yourself as a "Federalist": in that you want the national government to implement policy nationally? This is dangerous for you (assuming you are right of center) because Liberal ideology is the current king of the western world, and US' republican view of government is what is keeping California from legally beating the other states into submission.
This is a question of morality. I cannot argue against this. I myself do not value human life as you do, instead I value individual life based on it's individual merit. Hence why I "cherry pick" ideology when it suits me best. I have a "pragmatic" or even a nihilistic view of life. Notice the amount of "I" I used here. I am not going to try to make you see things my way. I am just warning you, that there are others out there who will not be as honest with you as I am. They will claim to value human life, they will offer sanctuary for the weak. Then when they have majority support, they will recreate entire societies as they see fit, and you may not like the end result. Hence my babbling against Globohomo and escaping on a space shuttle when things do go south.
First Line: Yes the default goal is profit. But what a company does with its profits is what can be judged as greedy or not. There are nonprofit companies that funnel money to charities. There are government run companies that seek to provide a service for their people. Some companies exist to introduce humanity to a new idea, or product. You even state that companies maximize profits reasonably. But greed is excess and therefore unreasonable by nature. Also, before Wokeism, there was the War on Terror, before that the Cold War,. Try being an Arab, especially if you are a Shiite, during the War on Terror: very company would racially profile you preventing you from getting a job to opening a bank account. The Cold War is a much better example: it was more than just discrimination against communists, I would argue that everything that is happening to conservatives under Wokiesm, happened to the liberals during the Cold War era.
Second Line: Most shareholders have day jobs and/or hobbies and they usually meet rather infrequently. There is much damage that executives can do to their own company either because of stupidity or even maliciousness when they are not being watched. I will not bore you anymore with this topic, I am not a big business guy either.
First Line: Agreed
Second Line: As a man it is retarded for me to argue against this. But as someone who will never be a father and is therefore "detached": the man sauce is like the secret ingredient in a McDolands burger. It is a vital component but it is still the smallest part of the sandwich, and unless you are Gordon Ramsey, you will probably not notice it's presence in the burger. I do not oppose your argument here in that if I become the next world overlord I will not legislate against your viewpoint, I pinky promise.
Third Line: Wait, if neither the fetus, nor the mom or dad have the right to determine the fate of the fetus, and earlier you said that no one should determine who lives or dies, who gets to make the final decision on the fetus' fate? You? God? Nature?
Fourth Line: Feminism is my enemy as much as it is yours, even if for different reasons. But your argument on assisted suicide is the same as my argument for you here. Move your family to a pro-life community, fighting the good fight is fun and all when you are young and strong enough, but if you have a family, you need to move them to the safest place you can think of, even if you hate the idea of feminism or any other ideology you disagree with ruling some part of the country, you cannot win every fight, what are you: the Doom Guy?
So nature is then the determiner of someones life? I can go on a ranting spree regarding the non-aggression axiom, but I will leave you with this: most (if not all) governments have a monopoly on violence, does this mean that government gets to decide which fetus lives and which one doesn't?
One man's evil is another man's good. Yes this is a stupid moral relativism argument but again, I cannot argue morality, unless Yahweh (yea, I said his name, do something about it) dumps a stone on my house that outlines the rules of morality for humans, I personally will not be swayed by moral arguments.
This was also part of your argument regarding assisted suicide. The State owns everything, even the anarchist golden state of Somalia now has a government. I hate the state, more than you can possible imagine. But the truth is that even in the creation of so called "constitutional" or "free" countries: all rights are given out by the governments, some countries give out more rights than others. And there is almost nothing a regular person can do alone to stop a government from taking these rights back if they so wanted. If you have a land depute with the local government, you may be able to protect yourself, even if it is not easy. But if the federal government determined that you have a gold mine under your property, without a vast network of lawyers and other allies, the government will eventually pull out some bullshit law (cough, national security, cough), and kick you to the curb.
Don't listen to the government claiming that rights are natural. All rights are created by governments. Nature gives out no rights.
The question of innocence is almost as vague as morality for me, yes I will pull out the stupid baby Hitler and the time machine argument. Your ideological opponents will join their own death-squads and the 50 millionth war between humans will occur. Fighting over ideology is common with humans, and some of the fighting can get bloody.
Here is a more specific example: I meet a black man just after the American civil war, and he tells me of his experience as a slave. If I myself am a white person who knows of the horrors of slavery, I then sympathize with him. But I was a black person who was a slave myself, I would then empathize with the black man's story.
Yes I subscribe to the Dark Lord Weekly Magazine (while supplies last). My stance is more than just moral relativism, it is moral individualism. Yes I am an evil bastard, but I get shit done. Others consider morality, because they cannot live with themselves otherwise.
I officially don't exist, no one can find me. The guy you killed earlier was my body double. I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories regarding winged retards outside my window that want to execute me because I wrong-think. But hey, if you want to earn the 5 trillion dollar bounty on my head, that is your business. But I warn you: there is a reason the bounty is 5 trillion.
To some, there is right and wrong, to others it does not exist. Like I mentioned earlier: humans have fought many senseless wars simply because they wanted to force their own view of morality upon their adversary, But ultimately in my view: nobody's view of morality is objectively correct, likewise It is absolutely correct to disagree with me on this.
The topic at hand is debating android raptor about her view on abortion, since she has left this chessboard sometime during the last ice age, this debate morphed into questions of morality and other stuff that is not my area of expertise (not that anything is). People "should" abort based on their own value system, this is the argument that I have made several times now, but I have indeed tried to tackle this issue from multiple angles, even if half my attempts were retarded. This is not a secret meeting of the Jews, and we are not measuring each others Jewishness levels, and determining law for the multiverse. Discussions morph even if there is nothing to be said but the topic is still interesting.
I will leave my podium and will not argue with this and the entire post of Friend of Dorothy Parker because it is correct and I am sure no one wants my rants on Business 101.
Exactly, case by case, individual by individual. Although in my view: giving birth to an autist is fine, if they are prepared to handle this kind of responsibility, For others it is better to abort even a normal kid, because they are incapable of taking care of themselves. Ultimately this is my opinion and not a decision I get to make unless it's my kid.
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This is the objective truth.
It must worm her daily that she is the product of what she denounces.
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I just love that it took people from outside the thread to give good perspective on the pro-life and pro-choice side. As someone who leans pro-choice, it's good to see the actual arguments brought up instead of whatever sperging they were saying earlier in the thread.
They have a weird habit of obsessing over abortion and medical shit while being wrong about it. The amount of times I've seen some hilariously bad takes from them on diseases has been high. They even tried to claim that CJD was caused solely by beef at one point, lmao. Never showed up again after being called out on that.
Sounds like her mom and dad at least tried to fix the mistake for us at least. RIP Mr and Mrs Raptor.
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People will be fighting for post-birth abortions soon.
"Lol, nobody's fighting for 63rd trimester abortions, we all know 62nd is the where the post-foetus becomes a viable human"
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Whole thread could've been prevented if her mom actually raised her properly
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@Android raptor a murder supporter
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There are many things that could've been prevented by that, including my mental illnesses (not the 'tism since that's genetic).
Unfortunately narcissists are incapable of properly caring for kids, which is why they should never reproduce.
Of pedophiles and zoophiles, sure. Mass shooters too.
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I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty due to the cost to taxpayers, but if you rape kids/animals or murder a bunch of innocent people, you deserve to die. If that's a right wing perspective I guess I'm right wing in that regard.
ITS AWWWWWWWWRIIIIIIGHTTTTTTT!!!
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Hi guys, Phil Swift here. To show you the power of Flex Tape. I sawed this baby in half and repaired it with only Flex Tape.
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You found Raptor's porn stash!
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She is the most annoying cunt on this website. I believe she is an alt for the Amber Heard account that is exactly like her. Dumb bitch needs to get her pussy grabbed berry, berry stringly.
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When you say "based on their own value system," you're saying that multiple equally valid "value systems" exist, as opposed to just right and wrong in an objective sense. Do you understand that this is moral relativism, or do you want me to try and explain it a bit further to you? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here because this really shouldn't be so difficult to figure out.
So if a parent decides they're tired of their infant screaming and smothers them, is that just a decision they get to make because it's their kid? You know, case by case, individual by individual?
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I'll never understand American's fascination with abortion. Like why does anyone actually care if some irresponsible bitch who probably shouldn't have children anyway kills their unborn child? How does it affect anyone other than those involved and their families?
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People attack crisis pregnancy centers more often.
Another thread falls to the dyke's wrath.
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Forced pregnancy as a means to subjugate girls and women and ensure a future generation of wage slaves and fodder for the for-profit prison industrial complex.
Lmao no they don't. Plus CPC deserve it since they do nothing useful.
I'm sure some CPC owners have bombed themselves though for insurance money.
Tell me when someone commits a mass shooting at a CPC.
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From Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia at EN dot Wikipedia dot ORG
Jane's revenge is in fact a real terrorist organization.
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You are a pathetic pooner adjacent lesbian who hasn't dealt with the fact that your uncle molested you for years upon years as a child to the point of looking at babyrape comics and schlicking to unrealistic yaoi mangas. You are basically nonexistent.