Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

[Unique User Name]

American food is worse than bongfood, fight me.

The worst meal I ever had was bong food. It was lamb stew and it tasted like a barn floor. I was later informed this was probably because the stew I ate contained stomach meat.

I've eaten lamb face in Iceland and had blue kangaroo in Aus. American food isn't that bad and has improved ever since Jawsh lived here, but bong food is consistently terrible.

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Honestly most grocery stores try to source as much locally as they can, typically. They'll take razor thin margins on it too just because they know it gets the spendy customers in the door. Talk to a produce manager sometime. Nigger cattle go to Walmart over the grocery story for food anyway. And again this is ignoring all of the smaller specialty shops, which are common even in smaller towns.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Bread is carbs though

And I know a shit ton of wignats with their own flock of chickens

 

[Targeted Individual]

Josh is fat and cheese is gay.

 

[Raven-621]

I trade ammo & homemade wine for raw milk and non USDA beef from a guy I know with a small herd of cows, and I raise my own rabbits & chickens for meat and eggs. I trade the chicken and butter I make with a woman my wife works with for homemade sourdough bread and fresh tomatoes. I also hunt for the majority of the meat I have in my freezer. I want to try making cheese, but I haven’t yet. I don’t know why more people don’t live like this. In general though, most Americans eat sugar loaf, plastic laced cheese and antibiotic filled meat.

 

[ZipDisk]

Deli sandwich meat is horribly adultrated. With fucking kelp. Carageenan. You will eat the seaweed. In training they said it was "just as good" and customers couldn't tell.
I can fucking tell.

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

The argument is that the US is "pozzed" and the only grocery stores are Walmart and Whole Foods, of which Walmart is the majority of food purchases. Walmart only sells "processed" foods which isn't defined but is bad. No I won't go into detail and, no, I won't respond to criticisms of the EU's food safety rules. Everything in the US is artificial because its make in large factories whereas in Europe(pbuh) everything is small batch, farm-to-table, from de erf all by a babushka with her cold love.
It's an extension of the america hate cope and sneed you see on Reddit where ignorant Euporeans sneed about America and have massive confirmation biases where they'll believe any criticism.

/thread

 

[ye's Official KF Burner]

bread making especially is easier than most people may realize. they even have machines now that do everything for you. all you gotta do is dump the ingredients in and close the lid and in an hour or two you get a big loaf of whatever bread you desire for cheaper than you could get the same type of loaf at the store.

Machines complicate the process imo.
Here's an easy to follow recipe.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

@Null I think you are incorrect in saying that Americans do not have access to such goods, but you have a point that for such a rich and developed nation it is harder for the average American to find such goods than it should be.

Honestly the bit about the USDA trying to force central control of all meat and butchering under a Oligopoly does make me MATI thanks for telling me another reason why I should hate the Antichrist Dear Feeder.

 

[Chimplord1997]

I'm not sure what it's like on the coasts, but at least in the midwest the cheese situation is improving, not up to euro standards, but improving. Bread is totally fucked though. Even at the store if you're buying "artisanal" bread it's usually got fucking HFCS in it. I miss having ready access to a polish deli and being able to buy a big pack of chicken sausages for 3 dollars and some butterkase to eat it with.

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

The argument is that the US is "pozzed" and the only grocery stores are Walmart and Whole Foods, of which Walmart is the majority of food purchases. Walmart only sells "processed" foods which isn't defined but is bad. No I won't go into detail and, no, I won't respond to criticisms of the EU's food safety rules. Everything in the US is artificial because its make in large factories whereas in Europe(pbuh) everything is small batch, farm-to-table, from de erf all by a babushka with her cold love.
It's an extension of the america hate cope and sneed you see on Reddit where ignorant Euporeans sneed about America and have massive confirmation biases where they'll believe any criticism.

Nobody mention that the US is the fifth largest EU beef supplier.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

American cheese is delicious. And you can buy a fresh baguette in any grocery store. Walmart is not a grocery store. Poor places still have Food Lion, Publix, Harris Teeter.

I don't even know what you're going on about with meat lol. Every location near the sea has catch of the day fish by the truckload. Poultry is processed all over the place. Why do you think of "meat" as just ground beef, Josh. That's bizarre.

 

[Super Dilator Duel 3D]

I know plenty of Americans who kill their own meat and are therefore automatically exempt from your criteria. And by kill their own meat, I also mean skin, clean, cook and package it. Not for sale, just for personal consumption. It’s fucking delicious and undoubtedly healthy, just very difficult and time-consuming to properly perform.

As for bread and cheese, I have no good arguments against that. Though, you can definitely get decently high-quality cheese and bread in the U.S., you just won’t find it at Wal-Mart or the other goyslop dispensary franchise stores.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Only niggers don't make their own bread.

Hth

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

The worst meal I ever had was bong food. It was lamb stew and it tasted like a barn floor. I was later informed this was probably because the stew I ate contained stomach meat.

I've eaten lamb face in Iceland and had blue kangaroo in Aus. American food isn't that bad and has improved ever since Jawsh lived here, but bong food is consistently terrible.

There is something called menudo made from stomach and intestines and the woman from New Mexico told me that the menudo is good when you can see grass bits in the stew.

Nobody mention that the US is the fifth largest EU beef supplier.

No, child. It is not the same beef americans eat. Enjoy prison.

I don't think people know a lot of meat is left to sit for a few days anyways so processing it in a large commercial factory isn't that much different from a smaller place in terms of time. The meat can last longer than you think. You have to do this when you kill your own animals for meat.

 

[Angry New Ager]

I live on the West Coast, in a semi-rural area adjoining a small town. The nearest big city metro area, which is extremely affluent and has a strong "foodie" culture, is about 90 minutes away.

So I have no trouble getting local, pasture-raised meat, poultry and eggs; locally grown vegetables and certain fruits, and regionally-caught, non-farmed fish and shellfish. Our farmer's market is kind of small, but there are three families who sell their own specialty cheeses (from cow, goat, and sheeps' milk). There's a dedicated bread baker who sells out every weekend by noon. I can buy jam made with local fruit; local honey; craft-brewed beer; and even local wines and mead.

Most of the local food producers are people who left other jobs in the city, started hobby farms a decade or so ago, didn't fail at it, and now make a solid living catering to affluent urban-dwellers' insatiable appetite for expensive, locally-grown and produced foods. You can't spit around here without hitting somebody offering a weekly CSA box or share of a beef cow, and I haven't bought supermarket eggs in the three years I've been here because so many of my neighbors have chickens, and they're willing to sell me their extra eggs.

But it's still nothing like Europe. I can't walk into town and get all of my shopping done in one go; there's lots of disparate pieces, and I have to keep track of which producer is where on any given day, or I miss out and have to catch them the following week. And there's still shortcomings when it comes to variety, and certain caregories of food (such as charcuterie) are difficult to find, precisely because hardly anybody is doing it, and the ones who do often have to operate at least partially under the radar because doing it right sometimes means ignoring regulations. Some producers only take cash, so you also have to be prepared for that.

And the only reason it all exists to the extent that it does is because of the disposable income and status-signalling of people who live in the same affluent metro area I bailed on in 2020. As soon as the economy goes into the shitter, a lot of the stuff I like (especially the cheeses) will probably disappear, because producing small batches for local consumption won't be profitable. So I'm enjoying life in regional foodie heaven while I can.

Also, I'm fully aware of how rare my situation is. There are regional pockets, within driving distance of other big cities, that are similar, but the further out you get—and the less money you have, and the less ability or willingness to do the work involved in seeking out alternatives to corporate human kibble—the faster people's diets revert to All-American Deathchow.

 

[JelloJerk]

Sometime in June when you were sperging about the slaughter house laws and "custom meat", that there was a bill somewhere that was trying to change that, what happened to that?
Also my friend in America just told me that he DOES have a bakery near him that sells savoury good and fresh bread (lives in Florida). You're WRONG NULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AnOminous]

As to slaughterhouses? There is nothing wrong with slaughterhouses.

There is in having a near-total oligopoly of it such that even agriculture heavy states have one or two giant slaughterhouses and everything is legally required to go through them. One of the few exemptions is religious slaughter, and often kosher and halal slaughtered meat is of higher quality.

As to bakeries? Yeah, shit sucks, bro. In theory Panera sells "fresh baked" bread but who knows how true that is.

Bread is so easy to make yourself that while I usually have a loaf of the goyshit around for sandwiches, if I want a real bread I'll make it myself. The flour/water/salt/yeast no-knead variety is pretty much what Panera makes, although generally better.

As for other stuff, both Whole Foods and Trader Joe's have good cheese selections (avoid WF when a TJ item will be comparable in quality and much lower in price), and I can order the rest off Amazon. As for produce, a farmer's market takes care of that.

And when I want some unusual meat (like pork belly which for some reason is ridiculous to get except in bulk), again, there's Amazon, or ordering it directly from somewhere. And I know a couple fishers and hunters who bag way more than they need and give it out as gifts. Fresh caught crappie is great for a fry.

Unless you live in some absolute ghetto shithole with no or useless public transportation and nothing but liquor stores and ghetto groceries where all the food's expired (and maybe you shouldn't have burned down that nice store you used to have in a chimp rage), it's entirely possible to have great food.

Bread, you can make yourself or find a bakery. Whole Foods actually has excellent choices, and local bakeries still exist most places. Cheese is so easily transportable that you can get it from anywhere in the world. I'd put our produce up against anywhere in the world with a few exceptions like tomatoes you ordinarily get in a grocery store or Wal-Mart are absolutely inedible and shit, and you should get them locally instead.

As for meat, the main problem is the bottleneck of a tiny number of slaughterhouses having an oligopoly over virtually the entire supply unless you hunt, know someone who does, or get kosher or halal meats or other rare exceptions to the oligopoly. So if the one or two slaughterhouses in your state don't make a cut, fuck you. You can now get meme cuts like tri-tip and tomahawk nearly anywhere, but short of buying shares in a cow, you're not getting it exactly the way you want if you want something not offered.

That said, nearly anything USDA Prime or Choice is worth the price and however fucked up and bureaucratic USDA is, their quality control is pretty top-notch. Also number of mad cow cases in the U.S. Zero. Nuff said.

 

[Castoreum]

greenoids do this a lot
"broo this cruelty-free eco-friendly sustainably-farmed chicken with the no-gene-tech certificate is soooo good!"
then i taste it and it's just chicken, couldn't tell the difference to regular supermarket chicken. i think a lot of it comes down to placebo effects where people just expect that it HAS to be better because of all the feel-good ideology surrounding it, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Organic or not, brine injected chicken is what you gotta watch out for. Even organic brands will brine inject their meat while claiming that they're "adding flavor" and "tenderizing the meat." Lies, lies, lies! It's all to add weight to the meat so the customer pays more. Every time I cook with brine injected chicken the meat gets tough or "flakes." It fucking grosses me out.

 

[vomitusdeux]

I know plenty of Americans who kill their own meat and are therefore automatically exempt from your criteria. And by kill their own meat, I also mean skin, clean, cook and package it. Not for sale, just for personal consumption. It’s fucking delicious and undoubtedly healthy, just very difficult and time-consuming to properly perform.

As for bread and cheese, I have no good arguments against that. Though, you can definitely get decently high-quality cheese and bread in the U.S., you just won’t find it at Wal-Mart or the other goyslop dispensary franchise stores.

Pro tip a lot of butchers will process deer for you if you bring em in.