Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

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I don't feel so good Euro-sisters, I was promised Americans could only buy cheddar cheese.
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RussianParasite said:
Sorry Burgers, but with few exceptions Euro grocery stores are superior overall. The best I’ve found was in southern Texas, and I assume that has more to do with a long growing season and large port to import things into. As you move away from the coast items get worse and worse. Saying that, in general, American grocery stores are on par or better than the ones in Europe is a total cope. I suspect many making that argument don’t even have a passport.
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That was not Null's argument, but I guess it was only about a dozen pages into the thread before the argument morphed from "Americans CANNOT source quality meat, cheese and bread unless they live in a metro the size of NYC" to "Americans CANNOT source quality meat, cheese and bread unless they live within 45 minutes of a town with a population of 25,000 or more."

Also I don't think you understand whats being argued generally. What does a growing season have to do with meat, cheese and bread? You can store grain in a silo for over half a year and you can keep livestock year-round. I don't even have the will to address your weird implications about grocery store quality.
 
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Judge Holden said:
I have heard Wisconsin has something of a cheese culture

That is the totality of my knowledge about American cheese (as in the industry, not the gelatenous frankencurd that gets put on borgars)

In terms of bred apparently San Fransisco does bred but i would rather not find out first hand
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I can confirm both things stated as fact.
Wisconsin, the Florida of the North, has all the things that Null claims do not exist in fact exist quite frequently in small mom and pop shops along the coast of the great lakes. Head inland and the dairy farms you can work deals with local providers to get 1/4 to 1 full cow slaughtered however you want, seasoned, and bagged which way you like.

I've had to travel a bit to get 4H grown pigs slaughtered and butchered how i want it as I want to keep the head, ears, hooves, etc to feed to the dogs and for meals.

As for San Francisco's famous Sour Dough Bread it's damn delicious and if you go down to the farmer's market you'll find fresh fish off the boat, wild versions of cheeses and milk which will be labeled as "Not for Human consumption" to skirt around FDA laws. CA has monstrous cattle farms out east so one must do some hooofing (HEYO) to get that beef.

Goto Memphis and you can pick out the cow you want , get it slaughtered, and have it ready for you for dinner cooked at a local resteraunt over a flaming grill.
 
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I'm English and personally I don't have distaste for American people, or think they're diabetic golems addicted to preservatives and shitty television. I also think the food superiority thing is a bit of a cope from Europeans trying to cling onto something they can still be "best" at. They did this to us a century ago when we were the global superpower as well.

I will say though, I do think European geography helps out a lot with us getting better, fresher and local stuff at standard chain supermarkets. Distance is a huge factor, to me. I honestly think most Europeans and Americans struggle to comprehend the difference in size between the two places. To put it in perspective, we import lots of our fruit that requires warmer weather from Northern Africa. The distance between Morocco and Britain is about 2200 miles, but the distance between California and New York is just over 2900 miles. In other words, I can import my grapes from not just another country but another continent and it will still take less distance to travel than it would for a New Yorker to have grapes grown in California, the same country.

What might be 'locally grown' for an American might be comparatively local as something made on the other side of the country for us. In addition, I'm no expert on US agricultural policies state by state but I imagine there's much less emphasis on individual states being somewhat self-sustainable in terms of meat, dairy and crops than there is in each European country. I can go into any random UK supermarket and find a majority of the fresh produce that doesn't require too much sunlight was farmed at a place I could drive to in under 10 hours. Hell, with the channel tunnel, even if it was made somewhere else in mainland Europe, I could still get there in the same time-frame. I doubt I can walk into a random US supermarket and find the same amount of food was made within the same proximity.

But, the thing is, Americans don't need to have their chain supermarkets carry local produce because they all have cars which can drive them to hipster boutique grocery stores, farmers markets or to the farmer themselves. Sure, they pay a lot more for it but the average American is so much wealthier than the average European that the extra price is utterly meaningless.

Also, for any Americans who've stuck around to read this, not sure if you can get it but try Wensleydale cheese, it's great shit.
 
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@James done did it The whole source of the thread is that Null overstated his argument and subsequently refused to back down. Nobody ever said good food was as widely avaliable as in Europe, but he claimed it was literally unavailable outside major cities.

I've stayed rural before and have family that do, the expectation in America is you'll drive for most shit so you stock up. The places that would be a "village" in Europe and have several shops are basically just a gas station and grain elevator and/or feed lot here. Fully half the people that live in those towns don't even work within an hour of home.
 
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Too close to home re bread but the rest of the assertion is fat and I will not have sex with it.
 
Sinbad the Sailor said:
I will say though, I do think European geography helps out a lot with us getting better, fresher and local stuff at standard chain supermarkets. Distance is a huge factor, to me. I honestly think most Europeans and Americans struggle to comprehend the difference in size between the two places. To put it in perspective, we import lots of our fruit that requires warmer weather from Northern Africa. The distance between Morocco and Britain is about 2200 miles, but the distance between California and New York is just over 2900 miles. In other words, I can import my grapes from not just another country but another continent and it will still take less distance to travel than it would for a New Yorker to have grapes grown in California, the same country.
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Yeah the US is so spread out that it’d be insane to imagine highway stop towns would still have nice bakeries and cute local butchers and whatever else.

The size of the country doesn’t allow for it. More reason why people want to live in the city (especially since that often includes smaller cities that were absorbed by larger ones). The logistics of food distribution are nicer there.
 
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Shittalking cheddar just because you, as a mutt, are used to calling processed yellow non-foodstuff glop "cheddar", and then screaming at a mixture of your fellow mutts and actual people from halfway across the world who like cheddar and have no idea that mutts call non-cheddar non-cheese detritus "cheddar" FOR A WHOLE DAY about how they don't know real food because you, as a mutt, cannot process the idea that other people from the part of the world that you have moved to associate that word "cheddar" with actual cheese and not processed yellow non-foodstuff glop has got to be one of the most weird, niche and myopic combination of mutt ignorance and mainland Eurotrash arrogance that has ever been seen.

tl;dr cheddar did nothing wrong and null is faggot
 
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Null was already a grown man when he first tasted real food in Europe, his taste buds completely overwhelmed by the taste of FLAVOR, he now looks down upon his goyslop consuming brethren who still live in the dark ages. It's like when colorblind people get those glasses that let them see color for the first time but instead it's real cheese on a piece of bread thats not white spongecake.
 
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