Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

[VeeAndro]

We should do the same for gas to undermine the petrolmafia and their government enablers.

 

[Garamok]

You have to slice and shred your own cheese...like a poor person? Eww.

yeah imagine not getting spoonfed by a butler. Disgusting!

 

[Time 4 Guillotines]

Should you not be more mad at your government for allowing your country to develop like this,

It's a very European thing to want government intervention instead of using your self agency to make healthy decisions

and not the meth baby american expat for pointing it out?

He's not even an expat. He's just an American on a long and unimpressive vacation.

 

[Garamok]

It's a very European thing to want government intervention instead of using your self agency to make healthy decisions

Where is that coming from, though? Has that started with the EU itself when it was founded or have we Yuropoors always been like that?

Edit: there is the same sentiment with taxes. There are so many socialists and communists here, which is very confusing because a shit ton of Eastern Europeans fled from communists and the soviets. And people here are fine if the government raises the taxes because they are convinced it is going to help people who need it, like disabled people who can't go to work or people in need. They openly support getting 1/3 of their salary cut and they don't question where it goes to. They just say "I want poor people to get helped and I'm fine with paying for that with my taxes".

 

[AnOminous]

There is more to cheese than just cheddar or some sad burger ingredient.

Just got some of this, a wedge of Parmigiano Reggiano, Vietnamese coffee, Jamaican ginger beer, fresh angel hair pasta, basil pesto, Indian naan bread, a couple premade Indian retort pouch entrees, Kewpie mayonnaise, and a beignet mix. Not bad for American goyslop.

 

[Oxyjen]

Where is that coming from, though? Has that started with the EU itself when it was founded or have we Yuropoors always been like that?

It stems from when we beheaded hereditary rulers and set up our own governance. Government by the people, for the people. You get a chance to run society in a way that is fair, and the benefits of industry and innovation accrue to all.

America wants to go the other way - elevate the greediest and worst of rich dynasties, do not tax them, put them in power without a vote.

 

[VeeAndro]

can't also be American

Probably context of the mass debate and the wording that seems to imply you are an outsider asking questions about insiders. Also, the assumption of any organic or sustainable centrality of the country which easily implies you come from a country with centuries of centralized power.

Planned economies

Are a scam that Dostoevsky warned about.

 

[Garamok]

Where is that coming from, though? Has that started with the EU itself when it was founded or have we Yuropoors always been like that?

Edit: there is the same sentiment with taxes. There are so many socialists and communists here, which is very confusing because a shit ton of Eastern Europeans fled from communists and the soviets. And people here are fine if the government raises the taxes because they are convinced it is going to help people who need it, like disabled people who can't go to work or people in need. They openly support getting 1/3 of their salary cut and they don't question where it goes to. They just say "I want poor people to get helped and I'm fine with paying for that with my taxes".

And another thing: maybe it's indoctrinated but I got shut down immediately when I said I think life could be easier in the US. Immediately I got loudly spoken over and laughed at and was told that people can't even afford healthcare there. Surgery is not affordable, it's so expensive, I would never be able to pay for it. It would be great to have Americans around. I would love to hear counter arguments and see them shutting down those faggots. The worst thing is they won't even listen to what you say because any argument you bring like "but they have healthcare", you get just laughed at and nobody takes you seriously. I hate it here....

Edit: also it seems like socialism and "yes, pls take as much money as you want from my salary" is really indoctrinated into people here. It's scary. And countering just makes you seem like the asshole because they then say "you don't want sick people to get help???".

 

[rural landowner]

First here's what I agree with @Null on

- Too many Americans eat poorly
- The Federal government has no business telling farmers what to do with their livestock
- The USDA is an example of massive government overreach and corruption
- Consolidation in the meat and agricultural industry is a major problem
- The government is a bunch of tyrants

Is this really a sore spot for Americans?

The sore spot is fruitcake lifelong city & suburb dwellers having no clue about rural America and thinking all of us shop at Walmart.

Nigger the nearest Walmart is 40 miles away.

None of the places I go are owned by corporate chains.

I get my eggs from a farm up the road with a little cooler in the driveway that has the freshly laid eggs and a box to drop the money.

Many of my neighbors have chickens or turkeys.

I buy my meat from a butcher that is only open three days a week and works out of his family farm. His cows are butchered locally at a state licensed facility.

I buy daily fresh baked bread from another farm stand where I know the girl that makes it and it's a family owned and operated (About a dozen different types of bread)

Most larger farm stands have a selection of locally made cheese - maybe not as much as Wisconsin or Wegmans or Europe but a decent amount. (Yes it's a lot of cheddar but why mess with perfection?)

And I get raw milk from a dairy farmer takes good care of his cows and sells milk to national organic brands

I took pictures today. I don't want to dox myself but I've got the receipts. Josh you are wrong about some of this. Live someplace rural. The US is a big country.
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[AnOminous]

Never been to America but I've heard your Chocolate has something in it that isn't in European/UK chocolate, and that it tastes like vomit.

I'll give Europe this one. American chocolate, especially from the big companies like Hershey, is absolute garbage.

I won't give them beer, though. Our high end beer situation has vastly improved in the last couple decades. Unless you go out of your way to drink tranny fluid like Bud Light, we have plenty of solid choices. Even small towns will often have a microbrewery and a winery (when climate conditions permit).

 

[Marvin]

I'll give Europe this one. American chocolate, especially from the big companies like Hershey, is absolute garbage.

I won't give them beer, though. Our high end beer situation has vastly improved in the last couple decades. Unless you go out of your way to drink tranny fluid like Bud Light, we have plenty of solid choices. Even small towns will often have a microbrewery and a winery (when climate conditions permit).

Our chocolate situation is desolate and needs to be rectified.

Our chocolate treats mixed with nuts and nougat and such aren't bad, mostly because they distract from the taste of the chocolate itself.

Yeah, our beer situation is top notch. Anyone arguing otherwise is limp dicked euro-cope.

One thing I don't see anyone really discussing is our seafood. American seafood is top fucking notch. American crabs, oysters, white fish, salmon, tuna, catfish, etc, etc are all unbeatable.

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

Our chocolate situation is desolate and needs to be rectified.

Our chocolate treats mixed with nuts and nougat and such aren't bad, mostly because they distract from the taste of the chocolate itself.

Yeah, our beer situation is top notch. Anyone arguing otherwise is limp dicked euro-cope.

One thing I don't see anyone really discussing is our seafood. American seafood is top fucking notch. American crabs, oysters, white fish, salmon, tuna, catfish, etc, etc are all unbeatable.

wrong again cheddar child. cheese is the only metric with which one can judge a country’s access to food.

 

[CHARizard]

Just got some of this, a wedge of Parmigiano Reggiano, Vietnamese coffee, Jamaican ginger beer, fresh angel hair pasta, basil pesto, Indian naan bread, a couple premade Indian retort pouch entrees, Kewpie mayonnaise, and a beignet mix. Not bad for American goyslop.
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I saw this today when I went and got my cheese! I almost got it, let me know what you think.

 

[VeeAndro]

@Garamok While @Oxyjen doesn't seem to think so, it comes from the same place that America's revolt came from: instability. America, of course, refused to admit that we had fucking Curzonists and Cavaliers in our midst so we just let them start trying to brute force centralization. In Europe, the idea was that instead of having all of this useful oversight in the hands of self interested few, have it in the hands of elected and systematically accountable many. There were even monarchies that go on to this day doing the same thing. Just have the Monarch be the voice of reason Sovereign and let the experts and jack of all trades convene with each other for the better of society. Then came the societally, mass psycholigically scarring world wars and the profound poverty associated with them. Then came the restoration efforts and "Benign Despots" after either WWII or Soviet Occupation (whichever came first) and their wagging fingers and moral fagging guilt tripping. That's where the big gov/taxing thing comes from in a very over simplified nutshell. It kind of affected America too but due to cultural differences, we're kind of getting more outspoken against the idea.

The Healthcare thing is simple: it all depends on the state, how public healthcare is, how private healthcare is and if an area produces medicine regionally. I have no idea about Eastern Europe but UK's NHS is just a death council and it's the same way in Canada. I bet also that Eastern Europeans meet a lot of American medical doctors who flee states that have Public Administrators (Healthcare System Administrators in this case) overseeing all of the hospitals and fucking with private practice (and we license by the state) that it's easier for them to flee to Eastern Europe to do their jobs. Medicine is also cheaper because it tends to get made either in Eastern Europe or relatively near it, in a place that doesn't hike up the price for their countries.

 

[Marvin]

wrong again cheddar child. cheese is the only metric with which one can judge a country’s access to food.

Disagree. The great state of Maryland is the greatest state in the union because of our powerful, delicious seafood output. Our goddamn markets are flooded with tons of shitty gulf blue crabs that degrade the reputation of our delicious, Chesapeake bay crabs.




Also please don't tell my zayde or my rabbi that I'm eating crabs, they're not kosher

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

Disagree. The great state of Maryland is the greatest state in the union because of our powerful, delicious seafood output. Our goddamn markets are flooded with tons of shitty gulf blue crabs that degrade the reputation of our delicious, Chesapeake bay crabs.




Also please don't tell my zayde or my rabbi that I'm eating crabs, they're not kosher

yeah i was joking, i agree with you bro

 

[Marvin]

yeah i was joking, i agree with you bro

I figured, I just wanted to get it out there that I'm only eating crab under protest so no one snitches to my zayde.

My dream is to start a company to genetically engineer crabs with scales on them, thus making them technically kosher. I'll make a fortune in Israel.

 

[AnOminous]

One thing I don't see anyone really discussing is our seafood. American seafood is top fucking notch. American crabs, oysters, white fish, salmon, tuna, catfish, etc, etc are all unbeatable.

Nothing beats beer boiled Chesapeake crab with Old Bay.

 

[Time 4 Guillotines]

Where is that coming from, though? Has that started with the EU itself when it was founded or have we Yuropoors always been like that?

Hard for me to speculate but I'd think it's a fairly recent development.
The powers that be have spent the last hundred years seeding nonsense into the collective consciousness and I'd think it's been more effective in Europe primarily due to the restrictions on speech there.

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

who was the guy talking about frozen fish being bad yesterday? u wrong nigga