My point is that it's not possible to have any discussion with ziggers around for the reasons outlined in my original posts. If some mod sperged out on here that is unfortunate, but besides the point. The zigger thread has several mods believing every retarded lie Russian state official put out even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. They literally believed the mspaint edit of the KIA figures that have Ukraine lose 70k and Russia lose 600 vehicles. Both of these edits looked like something I would do better if you gave me 5 minutes with paint 3D, but in that garbage dump of a thread it's taken at face value and discussed as fact and people who point out it's horseshit get downrated. So I do not think ziggers are oppressed on this site in general.