Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
I, for one, like the idea of Kiwifarms Internment Camps and await the absolute train wreck that would follow.

It would be like the time I was sent to a Christian weekend camp to correct my behavior or whatever reason my parents sent me there for. They never actually specified.

Turns out a lot of parents were thinking the same thing. You just ended up with a group of like-minded teenage boys having a great time each night in the dormitory after all the boring Jesus stuff. If anything it might have made us worse because we had found our kin from all the local area. Jesus and the soy boys running the camp had zero effect.
 
I like the happy little green stars for when the site comes back online. :)
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"Cutting forum activity and users by half"

Did all the downtime really drop activity by half? I'm unsure how they're measuring this (I assume posts per day) and I only actually started using Kiwi farms after the deplatforming campaign, so I don't have a good frame of reference to judge this. Anyone want to weigh in on this?

EDIT: Also to be clear I don't know if they're saying it cut activity by half right in the beginning, middle or end of the deplatforming campaign. The article was published today so if I were to be uncharitable I would assume they're talking about the forum as it is right now.

No, what cut the activity for a short time was having all users forced logged out and password reset because there were so many fed posters with hacked accounts due to the #dropkiwifarms campaign. The hacked accounts couldn't get back in because they didn't have access to the account email. However this also meant users that no longer had access to the email they signed up with couldn't get back in either so needed to make new accounts.
 
"Cutting forum activity and users by half"

Did all the downtime really drop activity by half? I'm unsure how they're measuring this (I assume posts per day) and I only actually started using Kiwi farms after the deplatforming campaign, so I don't have a good frame of reference to judge this. Anyone want to weigh in on this?

EDIT: Also to be clear I don't know if they're saying it cut activity by half right in the beginning, middle or end of the deplatforming campaign. The article was published today so if I were to be uncharitable I would assume they're talking about the forum as it is right now.

Null could probably give you better numbers than me, but when I go on the site I often look at the current users number on the main page to see how active the forum is. Based on my observations, we usually get around 3500-4000 users at peak hours (afternoon or evening in American timezones), and around 1500-2000 during least active hours (early morning in American timezones). These numbers now are at or just below what they were before the troonpocalypse. So if total users online is what they mean by "activity" then no, it is not "cut in half."

Lol Europe

see you guys at sneed camp
Arbeit macht sneed
 
The media have formed a hate-network against this forum and it's users, who mainly are of a protected group, people with severe autism.
Therefore, this publication, it's employees, contractors, contributers and readers should be fired, their site scrubbed from the internet by providers, their bank accounts frozen, and their children put in foster care to not grow up to be hatemongers themselves.
 
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
It gets worse than this. In addition real articles/receipts being scrubbed from the public record like a website dedicated to documenting Carly Fiorina's catastrophic series of business failures published decades before her presidential run, they are also scrubbing algorithmically generated propaganda and I think this is even more egregious.

it was discovered sometime in 2020 or 2021 when you could type any 4-digit number followed by new cases into google and it would shit out dozens of articles from legitimate and bullshit sources about how that number of new 'rona cases were detected in X city and that you should definitely be super scared. This still works today, but eventually it won't.

Documenting the fact that tactic this exists will be of paramount importance going forward. Few people know about it now and fewer still would believe it.

I’d ask them if they felt that was relevant to this forum? And whether they feel that they’re being used as attack dogs to remove a source of archiving of genuinely bad and often criminal behaviour, or simply socially unacceptable behaviour, on the web. If they accept that premise, who might this benefit?
We live in a time where someone keeping a record of say, efforts to lower the age of consent or mutilate children legally is a threat. To whom? Who does their work actually benefit? Do they think anyone in power gives a single toss about people laughing at unimportant idiots on the web, or do they care about something else that the farms does? Keep a record of behaviour, often government or official behaviour?
Are YOU the baddies perhaps? What will your work be used for? The answer is closing down free speech and freedom of expression online, so well done.

An interesting line of questions predicated on the idea that cogs in the government machine generally act in good faith. I don't believe the people involved do. I think they know exactly what they're doing and have chosen not to care. The few true believers are just low iq rule followers but aren't in a position of authority.

Didn't the UK's health minister get implicated in a massive bad faith civil rights-abusing 'rona-related scandal? He knew what orders he was following. His subordinates knew what they were doing. The media knew what they were doing. Rotten from top to bottom.

Apropos:
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Removing the weirdos we don't like from mainstream sites didn't obliterate them from reality?
And they're making each other weirder, now that they can only talk to like minded idiots?
Thats bad.
Lets take them, completely remove them from normal society and force them live together.
Maybe in some form of retard-summer camp.
What could go wrong?

I for one would volunteer to go to frenschwitz.
 
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