Diablo 4 general - All shit will hit the fan this June

[Evil Peter Griffin]

I'd say 7/10. The prologue is great, grounded horror. The girl in the mines is blizz-shit like escorting Leah everywhere in 3, but her mom going crazy is good. Vigo is good, except his bribe should have been coin, not a charm bracelet. His ending is metal. Inarius is metal. Visions of Lillith isn't much different from Azmodan talking to you constantly, different method but same absent shit.
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It's a better tone overall, with some flawed bits. 7/10.

Are any of the events that happened in Diablo 3 mentioned?

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Factorio was the last modern optimized game.

You say that but then I play Doom Eternal on my Steam Deck.

 

[Haramburger]

Are any of the events that happened in Diablo 3 mentioned?

No, but it's also a medieval society where everyone has a russian accent so I think they are too far removed from that location. Lorath is the wet-behind-the-ears kid who was standing next to Tyrael in D3 Reaper of Souls adventure mode, so to see him aged up & jaded is interesting, because he looked up to Tyrael as his senpai and wanted to date Kadala the blood shard gambling vendor.

Inarius is alive and you speak to him directly, which is great, but I don't understand how access to Heaven or Hell is locked for them. Tyrael and Malphael seemed to have easy access, and Imperious visits Pandemonium easily. They haven't really explained how Sanctuary works as far as being locked off/connected to other realms. The Prime Evils needed soulstones to stay, but otherwise they could visit briefly.

All the Prime Evils were killed and condensed into Zoltan Kulle's black soulstone, and then Malthael was using it, then destroyed it to fight the nephalem protagonist in 3(presumably because a powered up being that was half demon, half angel was too much for him, and still was), so all seven Evils, Prime and Lesser are presumably free to reconstitute in Hell. Diablo will likely be a endgame boss past Lillth, in the same way in POE you go after the campaign to the map conquerors in the Atlas and post-game fight Sirus for a second campaign ending.

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

No, but it's also a medieval society where everyone has a russian accent so I think they are too far removed from that location. Lorath is the wet-behind-the-ears kid who was standing next to Tyrael in D3 Reaper of Souls adventure mode, so to see him aged up & jaded is interesting, because he looked up to Tyrael as his senpai and wanted to date Kadala the blood shard gambling vendor.

Inarius is alive and you speak to him directly, which is great, but I don't understand how access to Heaven or Hell is locked for them. Tyrael and Malphael seemed to have easy access, and Imperious visits Pandemonium easily. They haven't really explained how Sanctuary works as far as being locked off/connected to other realms. The Prime Evils needed soulstones to stay, but otherwise they could visit briefly.

All the Prime Evils were killed and condensed into Zoltan Kulle's black soulstone, and then Malthael was using it, then destroyed it to fight the nephalem protagonist in 3(presumably because a powered up being that was half demon, half angel was too much for him, and still was), so all seven Evils, Prime and Lesser are presumably free to reconstitute in Hell. Diablo will likely be a endgame boss past Lillth, in the same way in POE you go after the campaign to the map conquerors in the Atlas and post-game fight Sirus for a second campaign ending.

Thinking back on the story of 3 nothing really important happened or if something did happen it things would go back to normal at the end. Diablo has a daughter, she's dead. Diablo ate all the other evils and is now Super Diablo, Malphael breaks the soulstone they are all free and separate. Deckard Cain is dead, he's another Horadric scholar. The only thing that they didn't go back on is Tyrael is still human.

 

[RVNX]

This shit right here proves to me that with optimization is an honest to god lost art now.

Not even sure how that is an argument against optimization. Diablo IV actually looks really good and is comparatively light on resources. Most of the time I was playing the fans of my GPU didn't even kick in because it wasn't taxing it enough. I wasn't running crazy high framerates though like the people who probably had their cards bricked due to shitty VRMs not being able to cope with a sudden power spike caused by an unlocked framerate and really light rendering loads that sent their frames into the thousands.

NVidia cards post-Maxwell have this funny feature called "GPU boost" that will overclock your card by 15-20Mhz (and is a thorn in the eye of every undervolt), temperature permitting. This is most likely what causes cards with bad VRMs to get bricked, because they draw a higher current than usual.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

holy piss this game is boring. I was cautiously optimistic about it since it seemed like the dev team was learning some lessons about how cringe Diablo 3 was at launch, but it seems like the devs have doubled down on every single bad decision Diablo 3 made, and then made a few new ones of their own. the removal of most of the procedural generation to support this awful MMO-lite design they have going really blows me away, as procgen has always been one of the key ingredients that makes Diablo games replayable. the other is of course engaging combat but again they went with Diablo 3's design of having resources that manage themselves, so all you do is left click to fill the bar and then right click to empty it. the skill tree is retarded, they're still exactly copying D3's skill/rune system but instead of just picking the thing you want you have to fuck with a bunch of meaningless skill choices. idk whose idea it was to add story quests either - a hallmark of the early (good) Diablo games, and indeed good older games in general, is that the time between starting the game and actually playing it is about ten seconds. you pick your class, type your name, spawn in Tristram/the rogue camp and a quick trot takes you straight to the first combat zone, no bullshit. talking to NPCs is optional, and you can go back and listen to plot any time you want. D4, just like D3, starts out with a bunch of gay scripted bullshit, powerfully cringe dialogue, and a non-story that's impossible to care about. there are terrible MMO side quests that actively shy away from trying anything new, constantly repeating world quest events, the combat is shallow and unimpactful and just fills your screen with pretty particle effects while you press one button to win. it's all so Young Adult, like 16 year olds are the main target audience. maybe that's the real problem here, but the shit I played when I was 16 (like Diablo 2 lol) still holds up today.

about 20 mins or so into the game, the first side quest you get, is literally to go stand next to some NPCs and use the cheer emote. they didn't even put in enough effort to make the NPCs actually react to you. absolute retard shit.

so how is the story so far? from the scale 1-10, how woke is it?

I started skipping all the dialogue 15 minutes into the game so I can't comment on that, but in the character creator when you select your gender they went with the "Select Body Type" newspeak option

 

[huecoffs02]

Ahh Jason Schrier , for better or worse he is one of the only "journos" one could consider a "games journalist". Nevertheless, he is a giant faggot.

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Look, I'm gonna say, this is a fair way to put it. You can boycott whatever you like for whatever reason but if you are the type to go full on for workers rights, then you ought to have some consistency and also think about the developers of said games...

Oh wait...
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Guess you gotta suck the tranny dick regardless.

Remember niggers. You are free to support, or not, a company that harasses and abuses their employees but you can't, under any circumstances, support a company that is working on a game from a franchise created by a person who hates troons.

 

[Haramburger]

Thinking back on the story of 3 nothing really important happened or if something did happen it things would go back to normal at the end. Diablo has a daughter, she's dead. Diablo ate all the other evils and is now Super Diablo, Malphael breaks the soulstone they are all free and separate. Deckard Cain is dead, he's another Horadric scholar. The only thing that they didn't go back on is Tyrael is still human.

Technically Mephisto, Baal, Duriel & Andariel were in time out, Diablo had a free pass with Leah but wasted it, and then Belial & Azmodan got briefly timed out before they all got freed with the soulstone shattering. So the net number of Evils has increased. If I had a current pirate copy of photoshop I'd modify the bike cuck comic to be "Zoltan Kulle crying then being happy about the number of Evils increasing, so whatever." Oh, and the human areas of power like Westmarch are certainly dwinding. Barbarian homeland, Westmarch, the desert kingdom, humans are running out of places that aren't annihilated. So there's dwindling hope and the Archangels are down one or two total.

 

[Looney Troons]

So diablo iv is bricking 3080tis.

There are tons of threads on both BNet and Reddit about this happening mainly due to one cut scene.

I played the game on a shitty Aorus GeForce 3080 Ti MASTER and a ASUS ROG STRIX 4090.

Noticed that the thermals on the 3080ti were significantly higher (7~10c) than the 4090, but my card didn’t brick.

I didn’t watch any cutscenes.

 

[negativlad]

It's quite intriguing that the bricking issue is so specific. The one cutscene at the church then the fans go into overdrive and the screen goes black, needing the computer to be manually turned off. Some start back up fine, others find the card bricked. Seemingly only with the 3080TI affected to that degree.

Lilith is simply trying to unchain you from your computer. Your shit is bricked now. Be free gamers… be who you were meant to be…

 

[Thiletonomics]

Games won't brick your GPUs, people.
Videocards can die though, like every piece of tech, and yes, spikes in power draw could blow some lower quality VRMs, or an improperly cooled chip.
Also, I am happy to report that even with hundreds of Euros inside my Blizz account (from selling all my WoW shit when I quit), I managed to not buy D4. I did take a look on Twitch, looks just like D3 with PoE-like skills, but we're still on the spammy ARPG mechanics which are usually boring to me.
Might buy it if it has raiding. Immortal had some, which was badly gated and cheap, so maybe D4 can do better. No raiding for (MMO)RPG, action or not, is a deal breaker for me. There's no way I would spend hours farming the same mobs. Gotta have wipes and bosses, and noobs to blame for wipes.

I think New World was another game that 3080's had the same issue with and I believe there were more games doing the uncapped FPS shit. Specifically the Gigabyte ones and looking at the complaints with D4 its mostly if not all Gigabyte cards. I personally had a mem leak but noticed it right away and switched textures to medium and it went away. It seems like the Gigabyte cards just can't properly handle 100% utilization in some cases.

Gigabyte had serious issues with the 30 series cards (which they seemed to have rushed out to meet the insane demand) and they basically changed their RMA process so it's a pain in the ass just due to sheer volume. I had to RMA a 3060ti and it was a nightmare that took like 3 months and over $100.

I also remembered hearing stories about The Sims 3 bricking people's cards back in the day, due to the game not having any VSync, or any way to cap the frame rate of the game.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Looked it up and oh fuck the leak i mentioned has been right so far on Lilith and Inarius being involved, reminder that Diablo diddu nuffin' wrong was also part of the leak and it's looking like it might actually be what they are doing

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

So it took Blizzard 10 years just to badly copy POE? Lol, lmao

10 years? The only reason D4 exists because everyone told Blizzard to get the fuck out of here with Diablo Immortal. They flat out stated before that infamous April Fool's joke moment that there's no PC Diablo game in a development and then on the next Blizzcon in 2019 they dropped an announcement for D4. This game is pure damage control nothing else.

 

[Merrys Pipeweed]

Already killed Lilith in Project Diablo 2. tldw not paying £60 for PoE with cutscenes.

 

[Ouro Boros]

This game won't be good. None of this will be good.
We've seen Diablo 3 redeem itself, but that's over a decade ago...when Blizzard still had a shred of dignity.
But here....they're gonna double down on whatever they got planned. I also haven't seen gameplay so that's a real red flag.

 

[Mooger Meng]

idk whose idea it was to add story quests either - a hallmark of the early (good) Diablo games, and indeed good older games in general, is that the time between starting the game and actually playing it is about ten seconds. you pick your class, type your name, spawn in Tristram/the rogue camp and a quick trot takes you straight to the first combat zone, no bullshit. talking to NPCs is optional, and you can go back and listen to plot any time you want. D4, just like D3, starts out with a bunch of gay scripted bullshit, powerfully cringe dialogue, and a non-story that's impossible to care about. there are terrible MMO side quests that actively shy away from trying anything new, constantly repeating world quest events, the combat is shallow and unimpactful and just fills your screen with pretty particle effects while you press one button to win. it's all so Young Adult, like 16 year olds are the main target audience. maybe that's the real problem here, but the shit I played when I was 16 (like Diablo 2 lol) still holds up today.

The first game is a very close approximation of a real-time roguelike. The opening of OG Diablo is very much like the first stage of, say, Nethack or Angband - sure, there's a story or something, but you the player aren't meant to give much of a shit. Just get in there and start killing, and figure out what to do with all of this random crap you find while you're at it. Even the harsh inventory limits and relative strictness with Town Portal feel more like a dungeon crawler RPG when you need to spend time carefully preparing, even in the depths, since you never know if the next door you open will have an entire clown car's worth of gribbly beasts trying to eat your face.

At the time, it was a cool novelty. Now, it's sadly niche.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

Playing a necromancer and I'm already looking forward to getting my teeth into the full game. Lilith isn't half as compelling as the narrative wants her to be, though.

It's nice see the gore and darkness ramped up again. I enjoyed D3 but the art style was awful.

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

The music sucks, Diablo 2 will never be topped in that regard.

No one cares about Lillith, it's called DIABLO, so the story is a 0/10 since he's been dead since 2 and was retardedly brought back in 3 as a tranny demon, and then killed again completely.

I can't comment much on the gameplay since, in true blizzard fashion, the servers are tuned for a population no higher than 100 users despite knowing exactly how many people preordered let alone also knowing how many people clicked "install" on their shitty launcher. Always online is always a fucking mistake.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Playing the beta and only did a couple quests, but the game does feel far better than D3 and Immortal in tone an action, but the amount of cutscenes is excessive and they could make them shorter to cram more info into a shorter period of time instead of dragging them out so much.

Maybe it's the introductory dungeons but they also feel much more linear than the older sprawling nature of D2.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

I love the Rogue's appearance- so much better than the monstrosity they call an Amazon in D2R - but I can't wrap my head around all the weapon swapping. Juggling two different weapon ranges feels like I'm going to drive myself to madness.

Pointing skeletons at the enemy and letting them do everything is so much simpler.