Did any of you use to be left wing, and became right wing later on?

When I was in high school I was a few good pushes away from evangelizing Das Kaptial. In university, I meet "real" communists and made one of the few smart things I've done by getting the hell away from that ideology. After dropping out of university and working with the very people that my "privilege" harms by just existing has pushed me father to a center right political position.

However, the 2024 political circus and friends who are either terminally on social media or let their teen kids think for them or identify as pansexual, enby, demiboys on Thursdays is driving me away from politics and social circles all together. The most intelligible political position I hold these day is center right and willing to shotgun in the face those that have an issue with it.
 
I was varying degrees of liberal for a long time, and then middle age hit and I stopped trying to fit into the American political spectrum after I realized that no one on either side is willing to truly help anyone else not in their group. I hate tribalism to fucking death; as if liberals and leftists and conservatives and hard-righters and moderates and everyone else in between don’t suffer or go through periods where they truly need aid. Financial, medical, emotional, whatever; if you’re not part of a certain part of the fractured whole then Fuck You, there’s no room for you. No aspect of American politics is driven by anything other than “I want mine and we want ours so we’ll let you know if there’s any left for you when we’re done (no we won’t)”.

I’m not ignorant. I know We The People was written with indentured servants and slaves in the back of everyone’s minds and those groups got treated like afterthoughts. And I’m not about The System is Like, Keeping Us Apart, Mannnnn, either. I’m just sick of those at the table throwing we dogs just enough scraps to keep us all at one another’s throats while they feast. Politicians should work for us, they don’t, they never really have and I don’t see that changing in my lifetime. I’m sick of burning energy and losing sleep over it. I’ll pick up a rifle (metaphorically, fuck you glowies) and follow someone if they come along with a plan and clear intent to eradicate division and suffering for everyone but until then I’m not participating in the American political system any more than is necessitated by law.
 
I was more libertarian when I was younger, but not dogmatically so. I am mostly just anti-communist these days. I don't have answers to complicated questions. I tolerated the LGBT and stuff a lot more when I was younger but as a group they have shown to be nothing more than worthless communists. I've also become very skeptical of women in the political process.
 
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Was with a hard core conservative christian sect growing up but became a left wing atheist after finding out the religion was bullshit. Made the mistake of looking for one of those support groups for gay people and started getting introduced to their bullshit but quickly left because of the indoctrination and all the drag queen / tranny shit. I was on social media for a little while right when Gamergate hit and I saw the rise of the SJW and all its left wing cancer spreading so I got the fuck off twitter. With all the feminist bullshit and racial identity politics and the sand nigger invasion in Europe I was becoming hella right wing. By the time Trump was running for office I was rooting for him to win. Eventually found the farms and started learning about all the dumb shit trannies were doing and then my hatred of the self-proclaimed "LGBTQ community" became apparent.

Now the far right is becoming almost as retarded as the left and I feel like a fucking pinball bouncing between the two bumpers after the table shut them off for tilting too much. I will onevitably fall into the center hole.
 
It's what most people do.
I'd say I started as "liberal" in the sense that I was a kid and only knew Democrat and Republican. But in reality I was more libertarian. I would consider myself Nat Socialist now; or leaning that way more than the other. Libertarian ideals are great and all; but once you realise what is needed for them to even remotely exist; you find your home elsewhere.
 
I was a wishy-washy educated liberal until I was about 30. I'd never thought deeply about anything though and had just assumed my professors and the TV were right. Once I started to engage and experience diversity first hand, it quickly became obvious to me that the "extreme far right" just wanted the things our grandparents took for granted and which non-whites take for granted in their countries today.

Ultimately, I've never heard a coherent answer to the following question:

Why is it okay, perhaps even desirable, for non-white countries to preserve their people, history and culture but not for white countries?
 
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I used to be an up-your-ass leftist who would constantly read through Xitter and Dreddit and the likes, then would use what I saw on those shithole platforms as the basis for my political opinions. Massive retard mistake, because it resulted in me entering a spiral of radicalization that got to a point where I ended up becoming incredibly intolerant asshole who had a major issue with anyone who dared oppose my opinions. I was basically a cuck for the media and the retards pulling the strings. I wasn't happy with myself when this was in full swing, either.

Things took a turn when Rittenhouse was acquitted. The media painted him as a cold-blooded racist murderer who got off scot-free because he was white. I knew he wasn't. I knew he acted in self-defense and that the verdict reflected that. I became so badly disillusioned with the media that I actually gained the ability to think independently after being a part of a massive hivemind for so god damn long. That doesn't mean that I immediately went the way of the right, because I didn't - I slowly shifted to a centrist yet fairly libertarian view on politics, and that's pretty much where I stand now.

I recently had an encounter with someone who was far-left and had made their politics their entire identity. They were intolerant, bigoted, racist, and hateful. They had this up-your-ass "us vs them" mentality that assumed you were a fascist if you disagreed with their views, constantly spoke in this obnoxious condescending tone, justified literal genocides done by people in the name of communism, argued that no communist countries ever existed, and even argued that the working class doesn't support communism because "they don't know what's best for them" - despite never having worked a day in their life.

I use encounters like that as a reminder as for the person I could have ended up being had I not gotten out and touched grass before I did. It's actually a shame because most leftists I talk to who aren't terminally online are actually genuinely great people. It's just the people who are terminally online who spoil the bunch.
 
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When I was a kid, about 11 -13 I was part of that Amazing Athiest, Anti-Christian corner of the internet. Mostly centering around gay marriage. I went through what I'd call a "Gay Rights!™" phase, I'm honestly surprised I didn't get groomed online. I used to watch a lot of atheist channels, particularly TJ.

Coming from this gave me an insight into a pattern I notice in people. After coming out of that echo chamber I realized it was a puppet show, creating the illusion of evil mean ol' Republicans who just don't want to hurt people and make things worse for others. You see this still with student loan forgiveness, the dominant narrative among leftists is that Republicans just want to make people people suffer through debts, when Republicans have a whole range of different actual arguments that aren't "People should suffer!". The political landscape was a fantasy that it was as simple as good vs evil, and that Republicans were evil, and democrats were good.

Oddly enough Bioshock 2 kind of Redpilled me on a lot of that stuff, the villains a psudo-religious socialist cultist who had a kind of same way of acting. It feels like the modern political landscape in the English speaking world is an argument with some BPD girlfriend that refuses to communicate and instead wants to live in a delusion. I'd say I'm kinda neutral now, everyone's retarded, including me. I try to enter political arguments/discussion online with the notion that the people could be in the same position I was, beliving I'm a cartoony villian the media has presented people who disagree as.
 
I recently had an encounter with someone who was far-left and had made their politics their entire identity. They were intolerant, bigoted, racist, and hateful. They had this up-your-ass "us vs them" mentality that assumed you were a fascist if you disagreed with their views, constantly spoke in this obnoxious condescending tone, justified literal genocides done by people in the name of communism, argued that no communist countries ever existed, and even argued that the working class doesn't support communism because "they don't know what's best for them" - despite never having worked a day in their life.
No communist I’ve never spoken to has ever been able to answer this question without referring to some kind of force:

“What will you do about the part of the working class that do not want your revolution?”

They will always resort to the gun and the guillotine. Always, even against those they purport to speak and act in support of.
 
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I went from a libertarian "Let people be" to "degenerates belong on the cross"

Had to learn the hardway that just because I'm okay with letting people be doesn't mean they are, and I'm physically bigger than them
I feel somewhat the same on this one.

Let people be only works when either your overton window is reasonable (the things that people commonly do of their own volition aren't that destructive, or the extremes don't stray too far from that and you have few people on extremes).

I think that the best lesson of the 2010s was "things do not exist in a vacuum"

I don't mean to be conspiratorial, and find it cringe when people try to draw links between one thing to another, but so many of the subcultures of the 2010s that turned out to be brainrotted from within only exist because the extremes were not only tolerated, but encouraged.

I think letting too much slide within a culture can has this effect, and there is also the fact that people need to be educated, to understand the consequences of their own actions, and how they can affect the bigger picture.

A big meme is, freedom requires responsibility and none of that is really taught any longer.

I think part of the old overton window was that, for you to be able to engage in weird shit, unless you were some methhead who noone cared about, you had to be a contributing member of society, be able to hold down a job, and you probably had invested enough in the system to afford some furry suit. At the least, you'd have the sense to understand where and when things were appropriate. As a plus, you probably understood the broader social trends and that if everyone was like you, society would collapse, so best to not really rock things too much and leave people alone.

Now, you have freedom without responsibility, and people demanding that not only others partake in their fetishes, but to partake in them publicly.

Add that education has and is going down, and yeah- you are allowed to be dumb, but also remember that we live in a democratic society and these people also vote.

Most people used to be socially libertarian if they lived through the 90s and 2000s, if that makes sense, but it turns out that you do have to give a shit about society, your neighbors, etc and what they do, their subcultures, their fetishes, even the sheer level of their education can and will affect you. Covid should have been enough of a wake-up call on that one. Do what you want, but when there's a crisis, people will vote to feed you to the dogs.

I'm still live and let live in some sense, but I'm at the point where there are certain rots within society that, for my own safety, I just can't accept living and let living on. Gaslighting on BLM, troonage being a good thing, open air drug usage being a good thing, etc. I think that there are certain SJW subcultures that are cult like and rot peoples brains out, unironically.

Whenever I see the argument "well its not hurting you, so what do you care" though, its eye rolling to me, because a) it usually comes from the most brainrotted people, and b) its not harming me immediately, but a couple years down the line- it may, and historically has, and probably will again.
 
Arguably yes, but I don't think my core values have shifted all that much. The change mostly came from a combination of goalposts being moved, and becoming more aware of social movements that seem like good things on the surface but the inner workings turn out to be rotten when you take a closer look. Troonacy, diversity, and the green movement are all things I used to be in favour of until I learned more about them and realised they're either at odds with the things I care about or the way they're being implemented causes massive amounts of collateral damage.

I still think people should be free to live in a way that feels genuine to them, but the tranny rights movement is now a sword and shield for predators. It's even detrimental to the minority who actually have gender dysphoria at this point, because if the affirmation only model hadn't become the standard we may have figured out how to treat the mental illness by now so they could just take their crazy pills and live normal lives rather than their bodies being turned into crude mockeries of the human form.

I still thing everyone should be judged as an individual first and have the chance to prove that they're not what they came from, but a lot of Western countries now aren't trying to filter out the people who very clearly are what they came from and it's damaging the social fabric in a way that becomes increasingly difficult to repair.

I still think respecting the environment and trying to preserve it is important, but the majority of the green movement is delusional, retarded, or both. The Irish government has been talking for years about forcing a cull of the national cattle heard, the majority of which is farmed in pastures that wouldn't be suitable for other types of agriculture, to reduce the country's emissions. The resulting production shortfall would be made up with beef imported from Brazil, a country on the literal other side of the world that has to clear rainforest to make room for said cattle. It would obviously be a massive net negative globally, but it makes our own numbers look better so who cares, I guess. A much better way of cutting down emissions would be to move production home and keep supply chains as short as possible, but that's not something anyone seems willing to consider. Hi tech products like laboratory equipment may need to spread production over several countries depending on where the specialised factories are, supermarket own brand microwavable lasagne does not need to go through 4-5 different countries to save fractions of a cent per unit.
 
I was very liberal in college but that left after I got to the real world. As the saying goes, "a young conservative is heartless and an old liberal is brainless." Case in point, is Bernie Sanders qualified to do anything outside of politics?
 
Its been a slow move to the right. Like a lot of other posters I leaned left when younger - but only because I didn't really think about it. The slogans were cool.

I kinda realised I couldn't kid myself any more when the net zero shit started ramping up last decade. It was such blatant horseshit and liberals were munching it up.

In 2016 two democratic things happened: Brexit and Trump. The insane reaction to both of these democratically elected things pissed me off no end, and made me a staunch defender of both.

Then the gender nonsense, then immigration... what's next?
 
I was very much live and let live in my younger years. I thought my dad was lame for complaining about immigration and niggers. I worked with a tons of Mexicans in restaurant kitchens and learned about the underground market for purchasing US identities. I learned about how they’d leave Mexico, be ten deep in single wides, and work their asses off and send everything back home to their kids. These families invited me into their homes and cooked for me and my nephews before I had children of my own. They let my pregnant little sister borrow one of their spare cars even though she wrecked hers being a dumbass.

Then I had kids. I guess I’m full fascist now or whatever. After I had my first child I was honestly shocked in one moment that I can recall where I was like “lmaooo pops was right.” He still kinda gloats about it when he’s had a few.
 
I really think so much would be better if we adopted the attitude of live and let live- but call retarded things out for what they are. That's what we're really missing today. Consider it similar to cigarettes- legal, but heavily discouraged. Thats where we should be as a society on a lot of different issues.

For example, I'm not in favor of criminalizing drugs and going back to the 2000s, but I do want to enforce public intoxication laws (seriously, why are they not enforced), and to be able to call people who do this stupid, retarded, morons, etc. Its the same thing with troons and half a dozen other cults. We used to be a nation that could ridicule and call things stupid, and maybe it stuck with some people and caused them to be better. What happened to us
 
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