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[Gingervitis]

Disney erasing Song of the South and James Baskett's contributions to acting as a profession will always be the one fucking thing that sticks in my craw about Disney. James was the first black man to ever win an Oscar, and only one of TWO individuals who've ever won an ETERNAL Oscar. Braer Rabbit itself is an actual AFRICAN story that was brought over. For a company that claims to be all about inclusion, they seem to be doing a lot of revisionist history around black Americans. James Baskett was an American Patriot, and a goddamn national treasure. I don't understand how anyone can be embarrassed over Song of the South. Period.

Their reasoning doesn’t even make sense. Uncle Remus wasn’t even a slave. He was a sharecropper. He was paid to work the fields.

 

[marvlouslie]

Their reasoning doesn’t even make sense. Uncle Remus wasn’t even a slave. He was a sharecropper. He was paid to work the fields.

Walt Disney HIMSELF FOUGHT for this man to get his Oscar.
But no, Walt will forever be painted as a racist and anti-semite because he stood up to the joos and their gay fucking Unions.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Disney erasing Song of the South and James Baskett's contributions to acting as a profession will always be the one fucking thing that sticks in my craw about Disney. James was the first black man to ever win an Oscar, and only one of TWO individuals who've ever won an ETERNAL Oscar. Braer Rabbit itself is an actual AFRICAN story that was brought over. For a company that claims to be all about inclusion, they seem to be doing a lot of revisionist history around black Americans. James Baskett was an American Patriot, and a goddamn national treasure. I don't understand how anyone can be embarrassed over Song of the South. Period.

I'd blame more current society than Disney. Ironically both white and black people want to behave as if slavery was 100% awful and without the slaves having no culture, while also glorifying enslaved blacks as super geniuses taken from their home. They bury their own culture in favour of LARPing as Wakanda.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Disney erasing Song of the South and James Baskett's contributions to acting as a profession will always be the one fucking thing that sticks in my craw about Disney. James was the first black man to ever win an Oscar, and only one of TWO individuals who've ever won an ETERNAL Oscar.

What is an eternal oscar? Google yields no results.

 

[Trianon]

Oh, God, the bullet that the movie-going public forced them to dodge.

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Outside of the financial strain of it all, sources also paint a picture of a studio that’s terrified to rock the boat, with some internally pushing to avoid LGBTQ themes, requiring edits to Inside Out 2. It’s a studio, they say, that’s overly reliant on Chief Creative Officer Pete Docter, stubbornly set in its ways, and setting its remaining team up for more crunch in its future films.

“It is, as far as I know, still a thing, where leadership, they'll bring up Lightyear specifically and say, ‘Oh, Lightyear was a financial failure because it had a queer kiss in it,’” one source tells IGN. “That's not the reason the movie failed.”

The apparent hesitance to touch on LGBTQ themes storylines in particular affected Inside Out 2’s development, according to several of our sources. Multiple people recall hearing about continuous notes to make Riley, the main character of both Inside Out movies, come across as “less gay,” leading to numerous edits that ramped up around September 2023 after the resolution of the WGA strike. Sources describe rumors that there was special care put into making the relationship between Riley and Val, a supporting character introduced in Inside Out 2, seem as platonic as possible, even requiring edits to the lighting and tone of certain scenes to remove any trace of “romantic chemistry.” One source describes it as "just doing a lot of extra work to make sure that no one would potentially see them as not straight."

“Mind you, Riley is not canonically gay,” one source says. “In the film, what you saw, nothing about Riley says that she is gay, but it is kind of inferred based on certain contexts. And so that is something that they tried to play down at multiple points.” Another source calls some leadership “uncomfortable” with queer themes at large, and the insistence on keeping those themes out of Inside Out 2 was “a big thing throughout” development.

All of this – the pressure, the creative bottlenecks, the story hesitations – led to a rush in the last few months of production on Inside Out 2, former employees say. Or, as one source puts it: “It was a shitshow.”

Movie gay = lightflop
Movie not gay = one billion dollars

Sounds like something to think about!

The rest of the article is pretty interesting, it's about everything bottlenecking around Pete Docter, who some see as a Lasseter successor, and crunches and layoffs. The studio is paranoid and demoralized.

 

[Trilby]

Walt Disney HIMSELF FOUGHT for this man to get his Oscar.
But no, Walt will forever be painted as a racist and anti-semite because he stood up to the joos and their gay fucking Unions.

It's no wonder I became a media hoarder.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Outside of the financial strain of it all, sources also paint a picture of a studio that’s terrified to rock the boat, with some internally pushing to avoid LGBTQ themes, requiring edits to Inside Out 2.

When did Pixar start to think children want to see lgbtqxyz shit?? They don't! Never have and never will.

Riley, the main character of both Inside Out movies, come across as “less gay,” leading to numerous edits

They made her an alphabet freak at first, didn't they?

“In the film, what you saw, nothing about Riley says that she is gay, but it is kind of inferred based on certain contexts.

I don't believe it. It sounds more like gay shit was included and then they had to edit it.

Another source calls some leadership “uncomfortable” with queer themes at large, and the insistence on keeping those themes out of Inside Out 2

Why the insistence? Was there pressure to include lgbtxyz shit?

 

[Trianon]

They really didn't even do enough to avoid it either. Textually, Riley admires Val as a mentor figure, but the staging is played like being "struck" with an insta-crush. It does feel like they had Val enter in slow motion or something and just sped it up again to fix the issue because it was coming off as crazy. I'm not sure how to rework it to make Val more interesting (she's a one-note good girl who we're supposed to think is going to be a mean girl), but letting Riley's old friends develop more would have been better, and having a more organic conflict between those three would have worked.

 

[Betonhaus]

It's no wonder I became a media hoarder.

There's a new thread dedicated to listing movies and shows not available anymore.

Why the insistence? Was there pressure to include lgbtxyz shit?

It does seem like there is a lot of pressure from someone to put a chick in it and make it lame and gay.

 

[Lone Star]

They really didn't even do enough to avoid it either.

One thing people ignore is the "Mt. Crushmore" bit is missing Val entirely. You think she'd be there if Riley was really crushing so hard on her.

 

[Screamer_2]

I wonder if that Inside Out thing is really just going, "let's make sure this is represented as a platonic friendship" because every same sex friendship has to be gay now. It's not so much anti-gay it's just taking efforts to establish it's not a romance. Notes around that where it's been skewed as anti-gay because if something isn't total gay, it's anti-gay.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Disney erasing Song of the South and James Baskett's contributions to acting as a profession will always be the one fucking thing that sticks in my craw about Disney. James was the first black man to ever win an Oscar, and only one of TWO individuals who've ever won an ETERNAL Oscar. Braer Rabbit itself is an actual AFRICAN story that was brought over. For a company that claims to be all about inclusion, they seem to be doing a lot of revisionist history around black Americans. James Baskett was an American Patriot, and a goddamn national treasure. I don't understand how anyone can be embarrassed over Song of the South. Period.

they'd still mention it in historical retrospectives and stuff
there was a long time they would have available the song with Baskett and the individual animated bits still in rotation a lot, well past the full film getting taken out of circulation
that was part of the idea behind Splash Mountain, was it gave them an opportunity to rehabilitate Zipp-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, which was the song for the park for ages

Their reasoning doesn’t even make sense. Uncle Remus wasn’t even a slave. He was a sharecropper. He was paid to work the fields.

iirc it explicitly says "this takes place during reconstruction" near the start
not like in the intro here on

https://archive.org/details/song-of-the-south-1946-homervision-restored-2024-v-30-4-k-cc

but in the actual movie

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

I know I'm naive, I should've figured that the intended Inside Out 2 leaned in way harder on gay shit.
Still, its very telling how insistent they were on including at all, that pushback is possible and that said pushback resulted in a succesful movie, something that Pixar has not been able to take for granted for a while now.

 

[Betonhaus]

I know I'm naive, I should've figured that the intended Inside Out 2 leaned in way harder on gay shit.
Still, its very telling how insistent they were on including at all, that pushback is possible and that said pushback resulted in a succesful movie, something that Pixar has not been able to take for granted for a while now.

it must be actually mind-blowing to them that toning down the political messaging helps make the movie succeed.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The Incredibles 2 was so bland and meandering that it tarnished the story of the original.

The incredibles 2 should have taken place 14 years after the original after the kids had grown up and become their own superheroes.

That was such an obvious way to push the story forward it genuinely blows my mind they didn't do it, you could even release new merch with the adult designs.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I know I'm naive, I should've figured that the intended Inside Out 2 leaned in way harder on gay shit.
Still, its very telling how insistent they were on including at all

I ask again, when did Pixar start to think that children want to watch gay garbage? Who exactly is pushing this shit? I hope these fuckers get exposed soon.

that pushback is possible and that said pushback resulted in a succesful movie

But only because Lightyear was a giant flop. Otherwise Inside Out 2 would have been a giant tranny gay shitshow but the Lightyear disaster resulted in a perfect excuse to reject lgbtxyz propaganda without getting fired and cancelled. You can't say "kids aren't interested in gay crap, stop grooming them ffs!" but now it's possible to say "We worked on Lightyear for years and spend so much money and yet the movie was a giant flop because we were forced to include a gay kiss. This was a bad idea and we should never make the same mistake again." It's a step in the right direction.

The degenerates pushing this shit need to get exposed and thrown out.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

They're being disingenuous as always. The lesbian kiss wasn't the only reason Lightyear failed, it failed because it was about "toxic masculinity" so Buzz couldn't even be a genuine action hero on top of the twist villain not making sense (it's an interesting idea, they just fucked up the execution), and the pompous ass Chris Evans was Lightyear when everyone wanted Tim Allen. Also everyone I knew who saw it had to struggle to remember plot points and character names, it was that boring that they can't imagine Andy (let alone any kid) seeing it and wanting the toy.

It's really no wonder the merch isn't flying off the shelves. They just won't admit it.

 

[starborn427614]

They're being disingenuous as always. The lesbian kiss wasn't the only reason Lightyear failed, it failed because it was about "toxic masculinity" so Buzz couldn't even be a genuine action hero on top of the twist villain not making sense (it's an interesting idea, they just fucked up the execution), and the pompous ass Chris Evans was Lightyear when everyone wanted Tim Allen. Also everyone I knew who saw it had to struggle to remember plot points and character names, it was that boring that they can't imagine Andy (let alone any kid) seeing it and wanting the toy.

It's really no wonder the merch isn't flying off the shelves. They just won't admit it.

This. It's a major cop-out to point to one random same-sex kiss and use it as a scapegoat when the movie being boring as sin is what really killed excitement for it.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

The degenerates pushing this shit need to get exposed and thrown out.

One of the most frustrating things about this entire ordeal is that like every couple days the "thing that never happens", does actually happen.
Anytime one of these freaks gets exposed their fans will cry "don't use this as a reason to antagonize our group" or "this person doesn't represent us" as if they aren't completely symbolic like Chris Tyson was.

The lesbian kiss wasn't the only reason Lightyear failed, it failed because it was about "toxic masculinity" so Buzz couldn't even be a genuine action hero on top of the twist villain not making sense

I still think Lightyear was doomed when they decided to have it be completely disconnected from the TV show.
Zurg was a brilliant funny, yet competent villain there and Lightyear's take on him just sucks all the fun out.

 

[Betonhaus]

This. It's a major cop-out to point to one random same-sex kiss and use it as a scapegoat when the movie being boring as sin is what really killed excitement for it.

Disney was currently in an era where being woke was more important then storytelling. Admitting that there are limits to how woke a movie can be is the first step in backtracking to a better reality.

Of course the danger is that they make one point take all the blame then make a movie that's equally shitty except for that one point, then go "whelp" and fixate on that one point again.

Also i'm now downloading the original series to watch, but there's surprisingly not a lot of torrents for it right now.