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Saw Zootopia 2, the visual jokes/puns were fantastic. Plot was fine except for the generic "immigrant good, rich person bad" moral which lacks nuance as most stuff of that perspective do but whatever.
Something that isn't a big deal but I'm slightly autistic about that frustrated me was the fact they confirmed that fish and insects are literally just fish and insects in the universe, used for food with no souls like the other animals. In the original, there were only mammals, and the only reference to food was plants, ice cream, cake, and a "fish market" in the background. When I saw they were introducing reptiles, I was hoping they would retcon the fish market and have fish come later (they teased birds for zootopia 3 in the after credit scene). But instead, they had dead fish on a conveyor belt leading to a wood chipper like device to make chum to feed the aquatic mammals, so now there is no going back, fish simply don't have souls(they also ate worms so insects/invertabraes don't have souls either). It feels disrespectful for fish, especally since the whole point of zootopia is to accept everyone, but if they are just going to kill and eat fish I don't see why the predators don't just eat the herbavors too. Not a big deal but still something I didn't like.
Something that isn't a big deal but I'm slightly autistic about that frustrated me was the fact they confirmed that fish and insects are literally just fish and insects in the universe, used for food with no souls like the other animals. In the original, there were only mammals, and the only reference to food was plants, ice cream, cake, and a "fish market" in the background. When I saw they were introducing reptiles, I was hoping they would retcon the fish market and have fish come later (they teased birds for zootopia 3 in the after credit scene). But instead, they had dead fish on a conveyor belt leading to a wood chipper like device to make chum to feed the aquatic mammals, so now there is no going back, fish simply don't have souls(they also ate worms so insects/invertabraes don't have souls either). It feels disrespectful for fish, especally since the whole point of zootopia is to accept everyone, but if they are just going to kill and eat fish I don't see why the predators don't just eat the herbavors too. Not a big deal but still something I didn't like.
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You need a socially acceptable animal for the animals to eat, both omnivores and carnivores. Contrary to what Gretchin Thunderberg says, maggots won't cut it regarding proteins, so having fish be non-sapient solves thorny issues that an all-ages work like Zootopia didn't want to touch. They could have gone with a magical tofu thing that seemingly fixes the craving of carnivores too (like Back to the Dawn goes), but this one was easier. If you don't do either, you end up with a Beastars situation where carnivores slowly but surely starve until they snap and inevitably eat someone, and then the whole co-existence message falls to pieces because it literally can't work without killing a part of the population*. Funnily enough, the fish of BS were aware of the situation and willingly sacrificed themselves for that matter.
*Even better, there was the implication of a hidden herbivore cabal that purposely made each generation of carnivores dumber to make them easier to control.
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I saw Zootopia 2 yesterday and it was pretty good. Nibbles was the best part of the movie. Unfortunately I didn't get to see Versa since the theater I was at didn't show it.
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I'm pretty sure everything you typed out here is the plot of Beastars. Mostly.
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Beastars is what happens when you have animal people, and you don't have food acceptable for both types. Zootopia doesn't have that issue, so it can focus on the racism angle as the risk of a carnivore going crazy is no longer an issue (unless forced by third parties).
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Like with X-Men, making animal people societies into allegories for real-life prejudice always comes across as jarring since some innate characteristics are potentially more dangerous than others in these stories. In X-Men, you have characters who could easily genocide all non-mutants if they wanted to. This makes it far more justifiable to restrict the freedom of such individuals for the safety of mankind.
In the world of Zootopia, a lion could go postal in Little Rodentia and easily massacre hundreds before police intervene. The same can not be said about a mouse attacking a neighborhood of predators. In such a setting, systemic discrimination is arguably a necessity to keep the physically inept from being harmed. Species are already effectively segregated by habitat, so there might as well be town checkpoints barring entry for specific groups if they lack permits.
In the world of Zootopia, a lion could go postal in Little Rodentia and easily massacre hundreds before police intervene. The same can not be said about a mouse attacking a neighborhood of predators. In such a setting, systemic discrimination is arguably a necessity to keep the physically inept from being harmed. Species are already effectively segregated by habitat, so there might as well be town checkpoints barring entry for specific groups if they lack permits.
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Wasn't it bojackk horsemen that had it where carnivore animal people and humans eat all the animal people who are born so retarded that the only thing they're good for is feeding the meat eating populace?
Zootopia uses non sentient fish,
beaststars has the fish be a noble but needed sacrifice.
bojack horseman; eat the retards.
Anyways bout to sail the high seas and see if Zootopia 2 is the saving grace disney needs.
Edit: was an okay movie, but like the first one it used the anthropomorphic characters to be slightly preachy about gentrification, gnerational shame, and as said by an earlier kiwi pro immigrant with the snake Gary.
They weren't as on the nose With that last one as elemental was though, The gentrification though? It couldn't have been more on the nose if they said the lynxes started fires to get the reptiles out of their old homes. They weren't as acab fuck da police as I thought they would be in a post fentanayl Floyd world. There's some bits of corrupt cops working for the rich villian but the whole zpd isn't demonized that way everyone said they were gonna be prior to Zootopia 2's release.
The villians this time around aren't hiding the fact that they ARE villians, not that these lynxes will ever be on the same level as the classic Disney villians but they are an improvement somewhat. They did that twist thing AGAIN though, and tried to say they know they did the twist villian angle last time and are gonna do it again anyway. Just because you point out you're using a cliché doesn't excuse you from using it.
And they do that Disney death thing again. An even older cliché than the twist villian, but at least they set up a reason WHY they'd survive the near death for once.
One last thing...I love how people are saying the beaver in the film is a dyke solely because she's voiced by one in real life. There is NOTHING to indicate she's one. People are just getting desperate for representation since Disney is struggling to remove the gay from its products...and not just for the Chinese, middle east, and Russian markets anymore.
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A friend told me the movie was less pro-immigration and was more about revisionist history, which sounds surprising given Disney's current track record. Anything backing that up?
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Well the villians are the ancestors of the guy who the city of zootopia sees as a hero for founding the city only to discover he was really a scumbag backstabber and guilty of murder.
That revisionist enough for you?
the only only other time I can remember disney doing something similar was the mewni pendance episode of star vs. Where star learns her planets national holiday isn't all she thought it was....and her ancestors may have caused a genocide to become rulers of her home world mewni.
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Honestly, they should have gone the route of having only MAMMALS be sentient. Have every other animal be food or pet.
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Pretty much. But I guess they wanted to muddy the waters further than find a stopping point. I favor "selective sentience" of certain mammal species personally.
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Watched Zootopia 2, really enjoyed it. Hope the inevitable third film is as good.
Actual spoilers: It's birds next time.
Yeah it's about the Lynx family taking credit for the snake character's grandma inventing the weather walls that make Zootopia habitable for all species. The grandfather of the family killed his maid with a fang device of sorts and blamed it on Granny Snake, hence why reptiles had to go into hiding. A big part of the movie is the Lynx family trying to expand their territory.
Actual spoilers: It's birds next time.
Yeah it's about the Lynx family taking credit for the snake character's grandma inventing the weather walls that make Zootopia habitable for all species. The grandfather of the family killed his maid with a fang device of sorts and blamed it on Granny Snake, hence why reptiles had to go into hiding. A big part of the movie is the Lynx family trying to expand their territory.
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Given the movie broke records it's now only a matter of time, will disney pressure the makers into making zootopia 3 as soon as possible without waiting another ten years or so?
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Good question there, depending how long that might take.
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Bad guys 3 is definitely gonna be a thing, but DreamWorks unlike Disney has gone to 3 before. If Zootopia 3 does get green it'll be the correction second time any of the Disney cannon has crossed that mark.
(I forgot were supposed to be getting frozen 3 next year 2027 2025 is pretty much over)
They set up for a zootopia 3 at the end of 2. so it seems like it WILL happen eventually the only question is will it be before most of us kiwis (or anyone who saw the original) are collecting pensions and social security checks?
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True.
Lord knows I'll be a recipient of something.
One amusing bit in Zootopia 2 I notice is how they bring up koalas having 2 opposable thumbs on each paw. Too often cartoons always ignore this and just give them single thumbs anyway so it's nice they went with it.
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I thought Frozen 3 had already been greenlit ages ago, given how massive of a merchandising juggernaut that series was.
Looked it up, and sure enough, currently penciled in for a November 2027 release. And Iger said a couple years ago that Frozen 4 is also in production.
Jesus Christ, make it stop.