Doomworld - AKA Troonworld, a dedicated safe space for pedophiles and megalomaniacs - Corrupting the Doom community since 2016

[Epic_Doomslayah_93]

@Epic_Doomslayah_93 there is a general Doom thread, but it looks like the modern releases are the main focus there. Maybe having a Doom thread for posting maps and feedback only, would be a good idea?

Thread 'DOOM'

Nov 30, 2014

So for some reason, we don't have a general DOOM thread (no, the 20th anniversary thread doesn't count). What are your favorite WADs? Music? What do you play DOOM on? Discuss all this and more.

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As for your map, more info is required. What is the compatibility? What port do you tested the map on? Does the "work in progress", mean the map has no working exit yet? I'll give it a try after you reply. I see signs of my "favorite" one color, high contrast trope, but i won't be too harsh.

There is no exit yet, this is made for Boom (and is also my first map). I test on Nugget doom and DSDA doom. And actually this is just a small area that I decided to try out the whole "one color high contrast thing". Pic related is currently what I have for the rest of the map (the area I posted is in the north east corner). The general layout is finished, I just need to add a couple areas (this blue techbase I'm working on is the last area to add), go back and fill in some areas I made a while ago but didn't put monsters or items in, and generally polish some stuff up.

 

[Goodstuff Goose]

Kegan left zdoom forums in the early 2020s after marisa got exposed, and to speak to the other guy who's asking about Doomworld, I don't think he has an acct. there. He has a big post that's on zdoom forums iirc talking about how he can't stick around in a community that covers things like that up. I'm not sure that he posts anywhere apart from /vr/ these days. The marisa that was moderating on /pol/ and that other board isn't marisa the magician from zdoom from what I recall, but I haven't slept enough to prove it lol.

Kegan still posts on the decaying corpse of Facepunch, now known as Knockout:

https://knockout.chat/user/3119

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/facepunch-knockout-forums.79796/post-21119230

That forum unfortunately became an absolutely deranged, troon-infested shithole, much worse than ZDoom or Doomworld have ever been. He used to be active in the Retro FPS Megathread, where he unsurprisingly also shilled for GMOTA.

 

[IKOL]

I would remind you that one of Doom community spic excommunicados, JMAA, have a thread there.

But why would I do that? I don't know, probably because of his sighting on Pooner Boards and someone (definitely not me because 40oz tongue my transpedophobic anus) have to occasionally drop the Master Lore Meta on Juan there. In that DB thread no less.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

Kegan still posts on the decaying corpse of Facepunch, now known as Knockout:

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https://knockout.chat/user/3119

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/facepunch-knockout-forums.79796/post-21119230

That forum unfortunately became an absolutely deranged, troon-infested shithole, much worse than ZDoom or Doomworld have ever been. He used to be active in the Retro FPS Megathread, where he unsurprisingly also shilled for GMOTA.

Kegan's still around on tumblr as well, if you want more info.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

Or how about that... why not call the next KF CP Memento Mori 3? Of course, it has to be a serious project, no joke maps.

Not a bad idea.
I still have leftovers from when my own MM3 was in the works; There's a whole resource WAD. tailored for the theme. I doubt it'll be sufficient as of now, but I can share it, with maps as well. To add on the topic of Doomworld spergs - I suspect they rationalize a WAD. having an older project's name if it was permitted by the original creator. Which is why there are 7+ Plutonias now, since Dario Casali gave his blessings (IIRC they didn't ask Milo, for whatever reason);
This would make sense, if it wasn't situational - another project which is a spin-off of TNT was released in 2017, TNT Revilution. I have scowered through old and new development threads, and saw no mention of them asking TNT Team members. Only thing close to some kind of official recognition is them having the TNTT OG composer in their team later down the line. As proof I'll use the Doomwiki article and 2009 thread, since those are the most cohesive IMHO: http://doomworld.com/vb/thread/47721 ; https://doomwiki.org/wiki/TNT:_Revilution
It all comes down to their inner serpentarium of transgenders only giving priority to each other over regular users, the "BuT YoU'rE sTeAlIng thE Wad'S lEgAcY" argument is just a cover to justify it to the lobotomites who browse DW and agree with their leadership.

 

[Zacharin X]

@SoleniyKraut anyone can make a CP inspired by Plutonia, TNT Evilution, or any other popular community release of the past. You can make something called TNT Retribution, and no one on Troonworld is going to raise an eyebrow. For the same reason, i don't really agree that there are 7+ Plutonias out there. They're just inspirations that don't dare to consider themselves as sequels. For example, "Plutonia: Revisited" is fine. You can choose any random name for a Plutonia or Memento Mori inspired project, for example, something cliché like Memento Mori: Reloaded...

Now go ahead and try to make Plutonia 3, Memento Mori 3, Alien Vendetta 2, or Requem 2 and see what happens. The troons will immediately jump on you, even though, technically, these are not intellectual properties, and as free downloadable wads you should be free to use their names if you want to. And it's not even disrespecting the hard work of some prominent mapper... you're not making Scythe 3 or Valiant 2, you're making a sequel to a classic community projects (minus the original Plutonia), that belong to the whole community, not to a bunch of megalomaniacal fags. Yet they still think they have the right to put a veto to these projects, and if you try to make them, they will force you to change the name and ban you if you refuse. At the same time, the KKKlub gets a free pass to do whatever they want, which is why Plutonia 2 rubs me the wrong way, even though i like a lot of the maps in that wad. If the KKKlub can do Plutonia 2, why shouldn't you and me be allowed to gather mappers and make Requiem 2 or Memento Mori 3? That's my point. So if you don't give a shit about a Troonworld ban, you can make anything you want and the troons can't stop you. But if you do make something, you have to make sure it's of good quality, so they can't easily disregard it and mock it as a sloppy troll project. If it's actually a good CP that gains some positive attention, the fags will seethe, badly.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

@SoleniyKraut anyone can make a CP inspired by Plutonia, TNT Evilution, or any other popular community release of the past. You can make something called TNT Retribution, and no one on Troonworld is going to raise an eyebrow. For the same reason, i don't really agree that there are 7+ Plutonias out there. They're just inspirations that don't dare to consider themselves as sequels. For example, "Plutonia: Revisited" is fine. You can choose any random name for a Plutonia or Memento Mori inspired project, for example, something cliché like Memento Mori: Reloaded...

Now go ahead and try to make Plutonia 3, Memento Mori 3, Alien Vendetta 2, or Requem 2 and see what happens. The troops will immediately jump on you, even though, technically, these are not intellectual properties, and as free downloadable wads you should be free to use their names if you want to. And it's not even disrespecting the hard work of some prominent mapper... you're not making Scythe 3 or Valiant 2, you're making a sequel to a classic community projects (minus the original Plutonia), that belong to the whole community, not to a bunch of megalomaniacal fags. Yet they still think they have the right to put a veto to these projects, and if you try to make them, they will force you to change the name and ban you if you refuse. At the same time, the KKKlub gets a free pass to do whatever they want, which is why Plutonia 2 rubs me the wrong way, even though i like a lot of the maps in that wad. If the KKKlub can do Plutonia 2, why shouldn't you and me be allowed to gather mappers and make Requiem 2 or Memento Mori 3? That's my point. So if you don't give a shit about a Troonworld ban, you can make anything you want and the troons can't stop you. But if you do make something, you have to make sure it's of good quality, so they can't easily disregard it and mock it as a sloppy troll project. If it's actually a good CP that gains some positive attention, the fags will seethe, badly.

I understand your point better now, I suppose I could've worded my own better too. I'm in for a CP here; Should I post the resources, or we just devise a new pack here?

 

[IKOL]

I understand your point better now, I suppose I could've worded my own better too. I'm in for a CP here; Should I post the resources, or we just devise a new pack here?

Depends. I'm still looking forward for MM3 but I guess it'll not see the light of day right now. Or ever.

I know you have resources man but we'd need way more than that. And in all honesty we might to need some new ones too.

 

[Zacharin X]

I understand your point better now, I suppose I could've worded my own better too. I'm in for a CP here; Should I post the resources, or we just devise a new pack here?

I don't want to give you bad advice out of my own ignorance... I'd say, PM Dull Pencil and ask him about the process of making a CP here,on the farms. See where he posted his own CP development thread, and follow on his steps. But i should stress this again... are you up to the challenge? Because an MM3 project needs to be well planned out and approached with care and good leadership, and most importantly, it should be a serious project, no memes or jokes this time. I personally admit that i don't have what it takes to lead CPs, which is why i stay in my own lane and only map and playtest, nothing more. If we are to do this, we have to make it right, as a community. So i suggest you don't rush and post any threads right now. Let's try to organize, see how many people would be interested in contributing to such a project, and then plan carefully.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

I don't want to give you bad advice out of my own ignorance... I'd say, PM Dull Pencil and ask him about the process of making a CP here,on the farms. See where he posted his own CP development thread, and follow on his steps. But i should stress this again... are you up to the challenge? Because an MM3 project needs to be well planned out and approached with care and good leadership, and most importantly, it should be a serious project, no memes or jokes this time. I personally admit that i don't have what it takes to lead CPs, which is why i stay in my own lane and only map and playtest, nothing more. If we are to do this, we have to make it right, as a community. So i suggest you don't rush and post any threads right now. Let's try to organize, see how many people would be interested in contributing to such a project, and then plan carefully.

Reasonable. I wasn't going to start right away, I was just establishing if anyone is willing at all. I can wait for the right moment. Thanks for the advice, though.

 

[Zacharin X]

I was just establishing if anyone is willing at all.

Oh man, i'm up for it, with a vengeance! If we can get this thing going and have a sufficient deadline of let's say 8-12 month, i'm going to make multiple maps, playtest every submission, provide feedback, and help anyone who needs helping. My only personal request is that we make it in -complevel 2, just like the first two Memento Mori's were made... it doesn't have to be vanilla-compatible, but it has to feel like the old classics. That's why making it on Boom or MBF21 wouldn't make sense. Give it some thought, and maybe we can do something. I'll think too, and will PM you tomorrow about it, if that's okay. Meanwhile, if someone else is interested in working on a faithful sequel to Memento Mori, let us know here in this thread.

 

[IKOL]

I'm game if it's either Vanilla or Boom\MBF21 format.

Fuck ID24, it's an abomination of mapping format.

 

[Mr. self-destruct]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kegan samefags his own shill posts and literally deletes posts/bans anyone who insults him or criticizes his mod. he has almost 40 pages results with his name in the /vr/ archive, and seeing so many posters smelling his farts is just so fucking weird to me. I've been posting on /vr/ since 2017 and I still barely know who this fuckhead is, except for his insufferable cringy GMOTA spam or why he was so recognizable. It wasn’t until I found out he was exposed as a janny in the recent hack. one thing that's always bothered me is the pseudo-tripfaggotry in those threads, geez.

I only found 3 (deleted) posts from 2015 and 2019 indicating that Kegan was a janny. However, those 2 posts from 2015 seemed like just mere speculation, or his circlejerk friends smelling their own farts.

The post from 2019 is interesting, the greentext person was calling out Kegan for being a /vr/ janny and a idealized tripnigger retard. lol

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

The post from 2019 is interesting, the greentext person was calling out Kegan for being a /vr/ janny and a idealized tripnigger retard. lol

As much as it turned out that that poster was correct, I would caution against taking too much of what S'Arais has to say seriously, and the poster going on about "creating Benellus" or whatever is most definitely S'Arais. He's a complete schizo from Ontario, Canada who not only spent years having meltdowns in the thread, but got -er-"phone booked" way back when as a total psycho who, among other things, literally brought a fake gun to his own highschool and got arrested for it. Also he's a furry, and he's into hyper fat fetishism and xenomorphs, and he spent multiple years shilling the game "Evolve" on /v/ for free. Not exactly a stable individual with a good attachment to reality.

There have certainly been some characters in that thread. It kind of says a lot that basically everyone worth a fuck left by about 2020 or so.

EDIT: Oh, also, back in 2015 it was Scroton who was /vr/ janny, and he was friends with Term&co. There's evidence for that in the recently leaked IRC logs. So yeah, the 2015 posters were actually wrong at the time, but would have been right in a few years or so.

EDIT2: Avoiding double posting here, just noticed after a short jaunt to the 8chan doom thread that Kegan privated all of his social media except his facepunch profile, so I went ahead and saved all 15 pages of his posts there. There's some funny anti-Trump anti-rightwing seething in here just from a surface examination, as well as the admission that he was on fucking welfare for housing.

He also missed a Twitch stream this Thursday but that's not surprising.

 

[23iwakura23]

Sad to see all things come to this. Kegan and Term and the rest way back in the day were pretty influential to me and got the ball rolling on me even learning how to mod doom. It's really weird seeing all this drama about these people.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

It's really weird seeing all this drama about these people

I was in #vr back in the day and I can tell you: this is nothing new. Term was a sensitive, petty dick with an ego the size of the sun even back then, and his little clique ran everything they had any modicum of influence over like reddit jannies on a power trip. It's okay to enjoy their content, personally I like GMOTA even though I now know it was funded primarily by US tax dollars and is barely balanced at all, but the people themselves have always been assholes. It was just better hidden before. Same shit with the Marisa drama a few years ago, the ZDoom community has always been a few insular retards gunt guarding each other and getting up to less than savory business in between releasing mods for attention, it just blew up because they finally pulled in so much idiocy that they couldn't contain it. The fact that half of them are mushbrained on estrogen these days doesn't help either.

I still make mods for myself, hell even just recently I've made something pretty neat; though I won't say what it is just in case I end up posting it publicly, just to maintain disconnection between my external identities and this site. I like GZDoom as a platform, it's pretty flexible despite being coded by Germany's most autistic chicken and performing about as well as a game from 2013 instead of 1993, and it's quick to work with. However, I will never interact with their community, and I haven't had positive views of the characters in it for a very long time. Every single time I ever interacted with them, the best outcome was that they viewed me with contempt for asking questions. Usually it went worse.

The best thing you can do is just make what you want to play, share it, and refuse to engage with places where these people have any power. If enough people did that not only would it lead to more and better content, but they would be forced to learn how to act right to get what they really want, which is positive attention. The thing they hate the most is people having fun without giving them that.

 

[23iwakura23]

It's just saddening, you know? Reminds me of when I used to do a particular job. The job itself was really boring so everyone was always up each others' asses with petty shit, and I can just remember my boss always muttering about "can't you people just come to work, do you job and go home?"

Like can't the community just make mods, write engine code, and clock out at the end of the day? lol.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Like can't the community just make mods, write engine code, and clock out at the end of the day?

Because modding/free work attracts only 3 primary kinds of people, though there is a bit of overlap between those groups, and the proportion that they exist prominently in communities guarantees drama.

1. Attention/Clout whores are 80% of them, the work they do is a means to an end and that end is getting e-fame or attention because their brains are fucked up somehow. Some are mentally ill in an obvious way, some were just losers in high school and never got over it. These are your Marisas, your Rachels, and even your TerminusEst13s. Obviously, some individuals in this group are worse than others on a personal level. Most are not very successful in their endeavors, but out of the people who are successful the majority will be of this type out of sheer numbers imbalance.
2. Antisocial autists are group #2, and they're about 10-15% of the people in any one of these groups. They have an obsession/fixation with the work somehow and their entire modus operandi is just to do it as quickly and cleanly as possible. These types tend to have very, very large egos (due to autism) and frequently manifest superiority complexes. They're also extremely particular about how the work is done and prone to sperging out if things don't go exactly their way. These are your Graf Zahls, your Edward850s, and so on.
3. People who want to make shit because they want to play/use it are group 3, and they're about 5-10% of most communities. These are usually fairly normal people, but they have both the skills and the time required to invest in a project as well as the desire to have that project for personal satisfaction or use. Attention is usually secondary to them, they're more like the autists in that respect. If we're talking mods, then these are the people who homebrew shit to tweak games to their liking. If we're talking OSS, then they're the nerds who make a piece of software to help in their job and also throw it on github, or fix bugs in OSS for practical purposes.

Now you might look at this and go "wait a second, this retard is totally wrong, group 3 is very obviously the largest" and that's actually kind of true, but only if we're taking raw numbers and discounting activity. If we're talking about who actually invests enough time in a community to become a prominent figure group 3 is by far the smallest because group 3 keeps to itself the most. Since their motivation isn't about stroking their e-peen with fame or proving that they're superior by writing code or whatever the fuck group 2 actually thinks, they usually drop like 1-2 projects in a community over its whole lifetime, don't shill it much or at all, and move on. They generate the least amount of drama unless they actually reach success, where they become instant targets for group 1 (since anyone successful is a threat) and a source of irritation for group 2 (since they "don't deserve it" or whatever autists use as a justification).

In this way, modding communities in particular will always have drama because a majority of the contributors are basically narcissists and act as such. The autists, who tend to produce either the basis for the community or the lion's share of the actually hard work, will be lovebombed by the narcissists into doing work for them and eventually have spergouts at the narcissists who they are closest to (as autists do), which will cause the other narcissists to sense weakness and attack. Meanwhile the third group usually just tries to do its own thing obliviously, gets caught in the crossfire, blunders stupid gayop plans, falls for lies and schemes, and so on until they just fucking leave. Once in a blue moon someone from group 3 will make something so high quality or critical that suddenly attention is all on them, and then groups 1 and 2 will basically try to eviscerate them in a jealous rage, which usually works but also produces even more juicy blackmail and gayops and backroom bullshit for future drama.

I have genuinely never seen a modding community or open source community that didn't follow exactly this pattern, which is why I usually just stay away from them. Of course, some people do manifest qualities of multiple groups, usually a combination of 1 and 2, but the primary subtype of each individual is clear to see most of the time.

 

[23iwakura23]

Now you might look at this and go "wait a second, this retard is totally wrong, group 3 is very obviously the largest"

oh no good friend. I understand you 100%.

I've been around the internet and have been developing general theories of how these spaces socially shape people.

Now then, the first theory of all things is the principle of 1:9:90. I any space, a community's content is created by 1%, contributed to by 9%, and consumed by 90%.

I've said this before. Look me up to understand more about what I think about it.

I said in that time before that there are "1 and 9 centric communities" and "90 centric communities", and I said also that "90 centric communities" are like reddit, and "1 and 9" communities like old PhpBB forums and imageboards.

I said that "1 and 9" communities are better, because the top percentile of the community directs it conversation, but I warned "this isn't to say these communities are perfect"...or something like that.


When we think about society as a bell curve graph or a "gaussian curve", there's a top 10%. They're the 1 and 9 of the internet. But there are many gaussians we can select from. If it's IQ alone, we're good. It's super smart people who can talk about anything. Second to them, we can get the subject matter experts: they're trained to know about what we're talking about, but are normie brained. But it isn't this case that we only get the above. We can also get the gaussian for people who have unusual ideas that keep them out of normal social life and so turn to the internet to talk to anyone. Like nazis. No one thinks like them. They're repugnant. We can get the gaussian for the mentally ill, who likewise come to the internet. Like trannies and crazies. They're nuts and no one IRL talks to them. So they come to the internet.

Perfective moderation is triplicate:

1) establishing the 1 and 9 order of precedence.
2) ensuring that the 1 and 9 who speak are the IQ-high folk and the subject matter experts
3) ensuring the social rejects and retards are kept out.

You have to establish the top 10%, and keep out those who are in that 10% because they're retarded.

So it doesn't seem crazy for you to say what you said. It's the natural conclusion of considering the nature of social interaction on the internet.