Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

So Epic is basically burning a hole in it's wallet trying to create a competitor to steam, which is something GoG has been doing far more effortlessly for years. Shit them for stuff like cucking to china but CDPR didn't have to pay people to keep using the service.
That's because GoG's selling point is doing something Steam doesn't, providing exclusively DRM-free games. It has an actually functional storefront, something Epic still can't seem to manage, but it isn't like the storefront is as user-friendly as Steam's, so it's not competing because of that.

It's simply doing something people want and some insist on.

Epic doesn't provide anything that isn't provided better elsewhere. Fuck, even the shitty Ubisoft Uplay/Connect app is better, and that's almost entirely for one company's products and nobody really wants to install it.

Tim Sweeney is an epic retard who thinks you can do anything by just mindlessly throwing money at it, and he doesn't even throw it in the right places (like hiring people competent enough to create a shopping cart). Supposedly that's coming this year. Why it wasn't there at the rollout is incomprehensible stupidity.
 
Anecdotal, but everyone in my friend group treats EGS as a free game dispenser and little more than that. Occasionally, the normies might even get an exclusive from it, but a lot simply don't bother and wait for the Steam release.

origin has already shown that strategy doesn't work. remember when fucking EA was handing out free games left and right? now look who's selling it's gamepass on steam again...
(of course their client being crap and only slightly above EGS didn't help).
I mean I get it, for some business school tard it might look good on paper, and it's true that no one wants to use their store if they got no investment already, that's why you give them a library assuming they'll stay - however, if you give it away for free, it has literally no value (it's also hilariously ironic because the guy in charge of origin at some point claimed "sales devalue games", before flipping on that hard). it's similar to all the community shit like friendslist etc, thinking if you see your friends play something you gonna pick it up - except I already know what my friends are playing, with or without some rudimentary tacked on "social engagement features", since I'm already communicating with my friends somewhere else, duh (to be fair, you want your own backend you full control for all games, to avoid another gamespy situation. but ffs either do it properly or offer API support for external access, not that half-cooked shit).

Yeah pretty much this is what I do. Hell even having Samsho isn't enough to make me want to use tim's storefront with my real money. Again EGS would have a much better investment actually improving their storefront than buying exclusives like Shenmue 3

So Epic is basically burning a hole in it's wallet trying to create a competitor to steam, which is something GoG has been doing far more effortlessly for years. Shit them for stuff like cucking to china but CDPR didn't have to pay people to keep using the service.

gotta thank timmy for the shenmue 3 stunt tho, was angry at first but saved me 60 bucks for another cliffhanger ending. and now yu suzuki wants to make more shenmue games

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also made me avoid deep silver games since they apparently don't want my money.
as for gog, that doesn't make money either. can't find it again but remember reading at the end of the day gog on it's own barely breaks even, or the profits were pretty small.

Epic doesn't provide anything that isn't provided better elsewhere. Fuck, even the shitty Ubisoft Uplay/Connect app is better, and that's almost entirely for one company's products and nobody really wants to install it.

I do, just to save money - no other company is giving you 20% off just for playing their games (and I mean playing from start to end, not autistic achievement grind). also creates competition, you can always find uplay keys cheaper than steam ones, if you already use it might as well do it without another layer steam adds.
also helps it does what it's supposed to, launch my games without much fuss.

ubisoft gets a lot of shit, but their uplay strategy was pretty smart (least before the rebrand, I assume after all the #metoo drama now the dangerhairs are in charge and we already know how that's gonna end). there was incentive to use their store, but it was never an either/or decision since it was piggybacking on steam. it has/had it's own reward scheme like the vouchers and the club that makes you wanna play their games to get some rewards (sounds dumb, but it works).
 
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That's because GoG's selling point is doing something Steam doesn't, providing exclusively DRM-free games. It has an actually functional storefront, something Epic still can't seem to manage, but it isn't like the storefront is as user-friendly as Steam's, so it's not competing because of that.

It's simply doing something people want and some insist on.

Epic doesn't provide anything that isn't provided better elsewhere. Fuck, even the shitty Ubisoft Uplay/Connect app is better, and that's almost entirely for one company's products and nobody really wants to install it.

Tim Sweeney is an epic retard who thinks you can do anything by just mindlessly throwing money at it, and he doesn't even throw it in the right places (like hiring people competent enough to create a shopping cart). Supposedly that's coming this year. Why it wasn't there at the rollout is incomprehensible stupidity.
GoG also tends to go the extra mile making sure the stuff on their store works, barring CP2077 of course. My copy of Bloodlines from them comes with a big fan mod/stability patch baked in.
 
They also sell stuff you literally couldn't buy for a long time such as all those old games. They'd package them up with DoSBox or other stuff to run, and it was great. Bought myself FreeSpace 2 once it was up there since its easier and more convenient than pirating.
 
Epic just bought the developer to Fall Guys, I'm unsure the amount of butthurt that this may or may not cause.
I can't imagine this is a great long-term move, Fall Guys is a very limited success and Mediatonic (the company) has 0 indication that they can have the same success moving forward. Fall Guys also isn't a "big" IP. Besides the issue that Fall Guys is just an unofficial Wipeout/Most Extreme Elimination Challenge video game.

There's also the issue if they fuck with content for Fall Guys, when the game is already available on Steam (see also - Rocket League).
 
There's also the issue if they fuck with content for Fall Guys, when the game is already available on Steam (see also - Rocket League).
That's why I'm unsure of the amount of butthurt, it fell by the wayside due to AMOGUS so would many people care if it gets taken out of all PC and console online stores and be solely on Epic's store?
 
That's why I'm unsure of the amount of butthurt, it fell by the wayside due to AMOGUS so would many people care if it gets taken out of all PC and console online stores and be solely on Epic's store?
They won't go that far, the only people they really jerked around are people that bought it on Steam (for Rocket League). It's still available on consoles and I believe F2P.

They'll probably pull it from steam (same as Rocket League) but I don't think the game is really attracting a whole lot of new players, considering how piss-poor the cheat detection is. There's no reason to think this is going to change/improve on Epic.

I can't believe Fortnite makes so much money that Epic can be so frequently undisciplined with money and make huge wasteful decisions like this.
 
I can't believe Fortnite makes so much money that Epic can be so frequently undisciplined with money and make huge wasteful decisions like this.
They have many investors from other large companies to stuff coming from China. It's not just Fortnite bucks.

China is the second largest game market with the US being first.
 
They have many investors from other large companies to stuff coming from China. It's not just Fortnite bucks.

China is the second largest game market with the US being first.
I get that, but I just don't see their actual business plan.

Fall Guys hype is behind it, it's never coming back. That studio likely isn't going to make another "smash" hit and there's no world where a Fall Guys 2 is able to do something drastically different from Fall Guys 1. Whatever money they spent on the studio (unless the studio is retared) isn't going to be made back. I doubt they made money back on any of the exclusives they bought and most people still vehemently hate their storefront, even after heavily investing in said store.

Fortnite is also not going to last forever - as other studios are innovating in that genre constantly and drawing people off of Fortnite. There's no indication that Epic is going to be able to keep competing in the video game space - a space that Microsoft has been spending way fucking more in for 2 decades and is still struggling and the same space that Google couldn't break into.

They also went out of their way to get into a lengthy, costly, and ill-advised legal battle with Apple on top of that.

I'm still shocked people look at this track record and decide to invest, and invest hard.
 
There's no indication that Epic is going to be able to keep competing in the video game space - a space that Microsoft has been spending way fucking more in for 2 decades and is still struggling and the same space that Google couldn't break into.
Amazing how much money these idiots can spend and not know what any gamer could tell them for free, that is, what Gaben said, give people a better experience than they'd get by pirating your shit and they'll pay you. Don't and they won't.
 
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No wonder they tried to buy them out LOL
 
China will because that means Epic is now beholden to them. Sort of like why basic TV cable networks are still around despite not making money, they're a soapbox for corporate interests.
China wants something that it can control. Steam is something that it can't. Funnily enough, most Steam users are in China. I know Steam China was just released, but that shit is going to flop.

Epic not having community functions or forums or a workshop or anything like Steam is a huge plus for China. Because China blocks all of those features on Steam. So having Epic barebones as fuck actually suits the Chinese, because they have a Western storefront that: 1) Curates. Epic curates a TON of shit, while Valve allows porno games, albeit haphazardly and in an oddly selective matter that no one fully understands. 2) Lack of features and community. This is a plus for China. China does not want the Chinese talking to each other online in an environment where they can't control. Epic they can. 3) Lack of a shopping cart. China wants to cut down on people playing games. This is a plus.

The Epic Storefront is just being groomed for use in the CCP to try and usurp Steam as something that they can control. They don't care if it loses money. To us, its a complete useless detriment. To the Chinese, its an asset.

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No wonder they tried to buy them out LOL
They bought them, but is the market really there? I think everyone who bought Fall Guys already owns it and Epic is betting that it won't just be a one hit wonder.

Also lol, Epic lost 1/3rd of its yearly revenue to control. And god only knows how much it fucking paid to devs to be exclusive, plus the cost of all the free games they hand out. Can you really be a loss leader if you're not leading anything? I mean, Jesus Christ. Steam is constantly improving and they've yet to add a shopping cart and just sinking money to try and entice people to their platform when most people treat it as 'get a free game' launcher. Also there is NO fucking way they made 30 million in profit while keeping Red Dead 2 an exclusive in 2020, even for six months. That was 30 million, at fucking least. No way Rockstar would shell out less than fucking Control for an exclusive. It knows the majority of its audience is on Steam and the money that it would lose from being on Epic. They could have easily lost that entire 30 million from that one exclusivity contract. So what, they're maybe 100 mil in the fucking hole? Good fucking christ. Even Good Old Games, a superior storefront, is dangerously close to being in the red. And that has far more games or users than Epic.

Sweeny is just throwing money at this shit and praying investors don't notice. He probably has 3 people working on it so he doesn't have to lay them off. But I think in reality, Tencent is just keeping Epic Gamestore around until they can move it to China, where it will be more exclusive to the Chinese market. I still think they're dreaming. Most of the Chinese market uses Steam and that's not going to stop.

So I really don't know what Epic is hoping to fucking accomplish honestly.
 
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Epic not having community functions or forums or a workshop or anything like Steam is a huge plus for China. Because China blocks all of those features on Steam. So having Epic barebones as fuck actually suits the Chinese, because they have a Western storefront that: 1) Curates. Epic curates a TON of shit, while Valve allows porno games, albeit haphazardly and in an oddly selective matter that no one fully understands. 2) Lack of features and community. This is a plus for China. China does not want the Chinese talking to each other online in an environment where they can't control. Epic they can. 3) Lack of a shopping cart. China wants to cut down on people playing games. This is a plus.

shopping cart won't change that, they'll just buy something else. plus I think total playtime and microtransaction for p2w are a much bigger deal there than the different amount of games.
as for social functions EGS still has a friendlist, no idea if you can use it to chat since I haven't used that crapheap of a client for ages. but then you could theoretically communicate in game, if not chat then voice, which would need to be all logged and evaluated.

kinda unrelated, but I don't think that specifically for the chinese, just epic being epic. it's expensive trying to get into every form of communication and regulate that when you can just have your own population snitch on the wrong opinion for good boy social credit points.

Also there is NO fucking way they made 30 million in profit while keeping Red Dead 2 an exclusive in 2020, even for six months.

exclusivity was only for 1 month, and wasn't really that exclusive since you could still by it on rockstar's store directly during that time (which probably works in the back on EGS like uplay does) and from resellers taking their own cut - dunno if it was for rockstar or epic's store tho.
 
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Steam is constantly improving and they've yet to add a shopping cart and just sinking money to try and entice people to their platform when most people treat it as 'get a free game' launcher.
It's not even good at that. I run it in a VM and only through VPN so it puts me through the shittiest CAPTCHA imaginable just to log in. Even things I'd be okay with getting for free, I just ignore because the pain of even bothering to log in is too much. If I want that game I'll just pirate it rather than getting it for "free."

This has to be the most idiotic piece of shit I've ever seen.
 
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