Give Them Enough Rope
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The "objectively evil" line is from the Frontier mod, not official content.
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Yeah but its a major meme within the community so I think it was just a reference.
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I never understood this idiocy over shaming people who wanted to join the Enclave. You could join the Institute in 4, which while not as outright hostile are pretty much as self-absorbed. The BoS care literally for only hoarding tech, and will happily strip communities of their life-sustaining equipment if it suits them even a little (it’s suggested that the Prydwen’s nuclear reactor was just stolen from Rivet City). And you can even join the fucking raiders, and they are little more than “give us your shit or we kill you… haha jk AND we kill you lol”.
The Enclave arguably have more restraint than most. At least in 2 you could march right up to Navarro and the sergeant will just yell at you about no civilians on the base and treat you like the retard you are. The only difference is the Enclave have the means to carry out their long-range plans. Give any other faction except maybe — MAYBE — the NCR the ability to wipe the world clean of their enemies like the Enclave had. Would they hesitate for even a second to use it? No. So what’s with all this “bash the Enclave fash!” bs?
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The bottom line is its just popular to make anti-fascist comments because they think they're 'fighting the power' or what have you. I personally consider the Institute worse than the Enclave, they at least have a plan to rebuild and are pretty clear about it. Their aim to slaughter mutants at least has a vague bit of logic behind it, do we have proof of what will happen in the future with all the mutations? Nobody knows.
Meanwhile the Institute kidnaps people, creatures, and brahmin and replaces them with a synth replicant that acts as a double-agent. They intentionally play up their boogeyman status and what constitutes a 'good reason' to slaughter settlements or random people varies wildly. Could be they just want to plant some new breeds of seeds .. so they'll just kill a man and anyone who gets wise to it rather than just sending up a few gen 3s to run a farm. Could be they just wanted a particular item so they'll wipe out an entire town.
Hell the Legion are pretty horrible and arguably worse in many ways than the other two .. but nah no Enclave though! That'd be fascist.
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Because when you put a 2-dimensional Reagan/Nixon cardboard caricature in charge of a faction, of course modern-day MORONS are going to screech about muh evil fascists. Never mind that they're pro-handicapped in hiring practices, the cook at Navarro being blind as a bat and a low-INT Chosen One being treated sympathetically by the people there, even Dornan.
Never mind that Granite Squad can be easily persuaded to go help you take down Horrigan, or that even Curling can be talked out of his own genocide plans.
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I mean, I thought the entire overarching philosophical point of every Fallout game was that, uh, war never changes. Even after the world as we knew it disappeared in fire, the survivors didn’t learn from their mistakes and live in harmony. They just became warped, blasted versions of themselves even more depraved than before having had to adapt to a savage new world. They just kept carrying on the way humans have done for tens of thousands of years, only with 210 year old hand guns.
Basically every single power structure in the Fallout universe could be called an objectively evil, paramilitary fascist organization. Literally what alternative exists outside of individual villages or (fuck off) the Minutemen?
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Well, this site is based around people who do exactly that to be fair.
To be honest, I can't really hold any resentment towards 3. Yeah, looking back it is a bad Fallout game, but without it, New Vegas wouldn't be a thing. And I imagine a large percentage of people who've played the original games did so because of 3 as well and brought attention back to them instead of letting them fade away into obscurity.
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NCR seems to be doing okay as a representative democracy. The one shining bright spot in all of North America, as much as it pains me to say anything pleasant about Californians.
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I feel your pain but remember that in this universe 99% of all native californians have perished in nuclear fire and radiation. Also the NCR by necessity has near total gun ownership.
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You’re correct, especially so if you’re referring to Fallout 2 only. Unfortunately NV depicts them as a power already in decline, or more specifically, one expanding too fast to be sustainable. I could sperg on and on about how this itself doesn’t make any sense (literally how do they maintain a fleet of advanced VTOL helicopters but have zero ground locomotion other than fucking Brahmin caravans? Where’s my 23rd century Ford Bronco?) but NV establishes that the pioneering optimism of F2 NCR is being supplanted by stagnating, cronyist NCR.
Still, you’re right in that they are generally “the best” faction. Ironically you could tell the Frontier fan base that NV NCR most accurately represents America as it existed mid-20th century and watch the reeeeeeeing
Tom Nook's Gloryhole
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If you've ever had the pleasure of entering the average poor persons house in 2022 you'll see it's just about as much rubbish and exposed building work as any Fallout interior.
Peasants just can't help living in shit tips and don't recognise there's a problem with it. If anything that's the most realistic thing about the Fallout franchise.
Peasants just can't help living in shit tips and don't recognise there's a problem with it. If anything that's the most realistic thing about the Fallout franchise.
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Not sure if this is fitting for this thread but here we go
Do people seriously think that Microsoft buying Bethesda will lead into New Vegas 2 or some shit like that? I dont know, it reeks of coonsumer mentality, like "Now that Disney bought Fox, we can have the Fantastic 4 and X-Men in the MCU!! *soyface* "
Yeah, just ignore the several anti-trust law these companies are probably breaking and spending millions for the ones responsible for those turn a blind eye to it. All that matters is what you, as a coonsumer, can get from this. Dont mind that this is just another step towards a dystopian future where mega corporations control nearly everything (we seem to be already there but it can get much worse). Only look at the coonsumer shit you "MIGHT" get "theorically".
What prompted me to say this was the fact Microsoft now bought Activision and now a lot are saying "NOW COD WILL BE AWESOME AGAIN"...because thats all that matters to you, the dumb ass coonsumer, huh? COD being good? Doesnt it concern you about all the power these companies are getting, which, I fucking assure you, they wont use responsibly at all?
Let me tell you the truth and Im 100% sure that this is all it comes down to. These companies are future proofing themselves. People say that Disney didnt do much money from buying SW and then Fox but they dont seem to be taking the whole picture here. These companies are after IPs. Thats it. Thats as far as it goes. What they did, in their eyes anyway, was buying a "bundle" with a bunch of IPs that they can sit and profit off of its mere existence.
Disney makes mad money from simply owning these IPs and so does Microsoft. They do NOT have interest with doing anything, at least not right away. No, people Microsoft doesnt a single god damn FUCK about doing a "nEw VeGaS 2" or a "gOoD cOd". All they care is cementing their power and ever constant profit even among "bad" times because people wont have any choice but to give them money if they want to adquire these games and movies legally.
Its all about control
And it blows me away on how STUPID some New Vegas fans are to seriously believe that something like a "nEw VeGaS 2" will ever happen now that Microsoft owns Bethesda. No, dumbass, wont happen, ever. In fact, it shouldnt even happen just to spite your coonsumer dumb ass. Because thats all you fucking care about. Coonsume.
TL;DR, I guess: A lot of New Vegas fans are stupid/delusional enough to think Microsoft will make a New Vegas remake or sequel or whatever. And I fucking hate them for it.
Do people seriously think that Microsoft buying Bethesda will lead into New Vegas 2 or some shit like that? I dont know, it reeks of coonsumer mentality, like "Now that Disney bought Fox, we can have the Fantastic 4 and X-Men in the MCU!! *soyface* "
Yeah, just ignore the several anti-trust law these companies are probably breaking and spending millions for the ones responsible for those turn a blind eye to it. All that matters is what you, as a coonsumer, can get from this. Dont mind that this is just another step towards a dystopian future where mega corporations control nearly everything (we seem to be already there but it can get much worse). Only look at the coonsumer shit you "MIGHT" get "theorically".
What prompted me to say this was the fact Microsoft now bought Activision and now a lot are saying "NOW COD WILL BE AWESOME AGAIN"...because thats all that matters to you, the dumb ass coonsumer, huh? COD being good? Doesnt it concern you about all the power these companies are getting, which, I fucking assure you, they wont use responsibly at all?
Let me tell you the truth and Im 100% sure that this is all it comes down to. These companies are future proofing themselves. People say that Disney didnt do much money from buying SW and then Fox but they dont seem to be taking the whole picture here. These companies are after IPs. Thats it. Thats as far as it goes. What they did, in their eyes anyway, was buying a "bundle" with a bunch of IPs that they can sit and profit off of its mere existence.
Disney makes mad money from simply owning these IPs and so does Microsoft. They do NOT have interest with doing anything, at least not right away. No, people Microsoft doesnt a single god damn FUCK about doing a "nEw VeGaS 2" or a "gOoD cOd". All they care is cementing their power and ever constant profit even among "bad" times because people wont have any choice but to give them money if they want to adquire these games and movies legally.
Its all about control
And it blows me away on how STUPID some New Vegas fans are to seriously believe that something like a "nEw VeGaS 2" will ever happen now that Microsoft owns Bethesda. No, dumbass, wont happen, ever. In fact, it shouldnt even happen just to spite your coonsumer dumb ass. Because thats all you fucking care about. Coonsume.
TL;DR, I guess: A lot of New Vegas fans are stupid/delusional enough to think Microsoft will make a New Vegas remake or sequel or whatever. And I fucking hate them for it.
Give Them Enough Rope
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And that's with the belief that a New Vegas 2 could recapture what made NV so special, which I have mammoth-sized doubts about.
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I think people kind of think that these companies arent just a bunch of devs that are constantly changing and so does the quality of their work. Now, yes, a company can keep a degree of quality despite changing staff but that is mostly up to the higher ups hiring people worth a damn.
The truth is, and a lot of Fallout fans will throw fit if I say this on like, Reddit, is that Interplay and Obsidian arent perfect and most of the people involved in most of their best game arent around anymore (either moved to another company or retired).
The Obsidian from today is NOT the same from all these years back. FNV still was able to have some devs from the original fallouts in a stroke of huge luck in my opinion, also many other great devs responsible for other classics from them at the time.
The harsh fact is that, if current Obsidian was handled New Vegas again, it most likely wouldnt be as good as before...Its like expecting we will ever get another good Mass Effect game after everyone responsible for it has either retired or changed companies, its not gonna happen. Besides, I dont think Bethesda will ever do it again because, look what happened from their perspective.
They bring the series back with F3, they let these devs of the old games make a spin off/main entry, suddenly everyone and their grandma begins to constantly chant how your work sucks and their work is the best. People act like Bethesda doesnt notice this stuff but they do so I honestly doubt they want that happening again. Even if its just for the sake of spite.
Edit: And I explained why Microsoft has no interest
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The Outer Worlds is all the proof I need that modern Obsidian should not be handed Fallout without Bethesda's support.
Such a thoroughly mediocre experience, I came out of it thinking how much 3 & 4 eclipse it, let alone New Vegas.
Then again, having it remain in Bethesda's hands could mean seeing it go dormant until TES VI releases...
Such a thoroughly mediocre experience, I came out of it thinking how much 3 & 4 eclipse it, let alone New Vegas.
Then again, having it remain in Bethesda's hands could mean seeing it go dormant until TES VI releases...
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Honestly New Vegas fans are riding the glories that their game has excellent storywriting compared to Bestheda's fallout and being the sole spearman holding the bridge against the endless tide of Undertale/Omori quirk earthbound clones
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Not really in decline so much as a period of growing pains. They've expanded outwards fast, perhaps too fast, and have painted a giant bullseye on them for both Caesar and the BoS. That emphasis on expansion has allowed internal problems to fester and become a potential source of concern.
As to their logistics, Chomps Lewis mentions shipping the limestone out by rail to be turned into cement, and there's several army trucks in the wreckage of the Long 15, in addition to a vertibird or two. Keep in mind that you can't exactly move trucks along the shitty-ass roads in the Vegas area without breakdowns, and breakdowns mean raiders. Easier to just hire Brahmin caravans since those are slow, but steady, and individual losses aren't nearly as painful. I've no doubt that in the more developed areas of the NCR cars are becoming a status symbol, in addition to salvaged army trucks being a relatively common sight.
Keep in mind that its almost certain the BoS finally made their move on the NCR in response to them getting all sorts of tech and personnel from Navarro (loading screens mention former Enclave members have either moved east or integrated into the NCR after all), not to mention the Shi of San Fran joining up, as seen by the Presidential vertibird being a gift from San Fran. If they can move past their current issues they're more likely than not to kickstart a golden age of technological recovery and advancement.
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Thanks for that! I’d forgotten a few elements that you mentioned, like the rail lines for concrete and the army trucks. I was always under the impression that those army trucks were just scrap pre-war trucks considering their lack of glass and flat tires, but I think I’m getting way too autistic over elements that some overworked and underpaid assets designer whipped up during crunch time while high on cheetos and 5-hour energy.
I had no idea that the presidential vertibird was a gift from SF. In fact, I don’t really know anything about San Fran or the Shi post-F2. The endings suggested that they were basically months away from developing large quantities of biofuel and were redeveloping nuclear power from scratch, as well as being able to permanently eliminate radiation with their genetically engineered plants. For such insanely valuable creations, they don’t seem to reverberate 40 years later. (I think Van Buren suggested they were also manufacturing new energy weapons and armor as well). Are the Shi even mentioned in NV at all?
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The Shi? Not as near as I can tell. But the games have never particularly adhered to the endings. The BoS post FO1 was supposed to spread out into the wastes, slowly reintroduce tech, and focus on research and development while staying out of the affairs of everyone else, much like a hard sciences counterpart to the Followers.
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I like using mods and playing as the Enclave in FO4.
Fuck the Minutemen, fuck the BoS, fuck the Institute with a rusty spoon, fuck the Railroad.
By the time I'm done, the Enclave is the one standing in the rubble and telling everyone to get to work.
"Pick up your lawn, sweep the floors in your house, and wash your dick, you lazy primitives."
Fuck the Minutemen, fuck the BoS, fuck the Institute with a rusty spoon, fuck the Railroad.
By the time I'm done, the Enclave is the one standing in the rubble and telling everyone to get to work.
"Pick up your lawn, sweep the floors in your house, and wash your dick, you lazy primitives."