Fallout series

Not really, F1 and F2 are good as they are. Then again, both instances of modders trying to come up with their own story (New California and Frontier) ended in catastrophes.
Personally I'm most hopeful for Revelation Blues (recreation of Van Buren based on design docs)
New California isn't that bad, problem is that it is very unfinished. We are basically playing a beta release that will never be completed.
As for Revelation Blues, I am not very optimistic. I recently covered just how poorly made the Burham Springs demo is in this thread, it's somewhere in the thread. It single handedly killed any hope I had for this project.
 
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New California isn't that bad, problem is that it is very unfinished. We are basically playing a beta release that will never be completed.
I really hated main character's backstory in this one. Maybe I was too hopeful after the demo which was, at least in my opinion, very good and that's why I'm so disappointed by the final product.

As for Revelation Blues, I am not very optimistic. I recently covered just how poorly made the Burham Springs demo is in this thread, it's somewhere in the thread. It single handedly killed any hope I had for this project.
I just want to play some version of Van Buren, be it Revelation Blues, Yesterday or some new project that will emerge in the future.
 
I really hated main character's backstory in this one. Maybe I was too hopeful after the demo which was, at least in my opinion, very good and that's why I'm so disappointed by the final product.


I just want to play some version of Van Buren, be it Revelation Blues, Yesterday or some new project that will emerge in the future.
That is a common complaint with New California, that the Vault section is good but it all goes downhill when you actually go out into the Wasteland.
I actually liked the second half of the game, but I do agree there is pretty much nothing as far as exploration is concerned. A lot of cut content, too. It serves it's purpose as a DLC sized prologue, but not much else. It is also very unstable, I kept running out of memory with uGrids loaded to 7(vanilla is 5) due to how many big and "epic" battles the game kept spawning constantly.
As for Van Buren, that game is just cursed. I doubt we will see anything good come from these fan projects. RB is very amateurish in how it released it's demo and I very much hope they improve, but I severely doubt that. I've seen too many fan projects like this peter out once their previews started going to shit and this is their very first demo, I believe. Yesterday is just cringe and that Unity project has been going for too long for it to realistically ever come out.
 
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Yesterday is just cringe
It's over-developed in the prison prologue and severely underdeveloped in every other section. If they find a good writer \ editor who can translate the docs into actual story, there is hope for it.

and that Unity project has been going for too long for it to realistically ever come out.
I think the devs moved to some commercial project and abandoned Van Buren.
 
It's over-developed in the prison prologue and severely underdeveloped in every other section. If they find a good writer \ editor who can translate the docs into actual story, there is hope for it.
That's not a good thing, so much of the content in Yesterday is just straight up cringe. The only "good" parts are those taken straight from Van Buren, without author's re-interpretation of them(this is shared with New Vegas mods like Boulder Dome and Denver btw, soon with Revelation Blues as well, I fear).
Warlockracy was pretty spot on with his criticism in both of his videos on Yesterday.
 
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If they find a good writer \ editor who can translate the docs into actual story, there is hope for it.
Well damn, i'm not writer, but tried years ago with a novel. Never finished because priorities, but still on-hold.
But taking all the docs into a gameplay consensus is hard.
You need headstrong writers like Avellon or Sawyer. And a balanced one like John Gonzales.

In my way of thinking, i probably take the best elements of both FO1 & FO2.
But New Vegas exists.
So, why bother? New Vegas, in a sense, was Van Buren released.
 
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I think at the very least it had people working on it who got the Fallout look* right,
Maybe if you really like Fallout 4's big ugly retro future aesthetic. So it roughly matches two out of, what, six games?

Hot take but having read the design docs Van Buren feels romanticized in the eyes of the audience. It doesn't sound very good really, full of half-baked concepts and really silly shit that doesn't really feel very Fallout to me. I would much rather people make something new. I don't think it's any coincidence that every major project that uses Van Buren as a cheat sheet winds up kind of shit.
 
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Maybe if you really like Fallout 4's big ugly retro future aesthetic. So it roughly matches two out of, what, six games?

Hot take but having read the design docs Van Buren feels romanticized in the eyes of the audience. It doesn't sound very good really, full of half-baked concepts and really silly shit that doesn't really feel very Fallout to me. I would much rather people make something new. I don't think it's any coincidence that every major project that uses Van Buren as a cheat sheet winds up kind of shit.
This is easily the darkest Fallout story in tone and setting yet. I can count the amount of "silly shit" on one hand(namely some of the planned creatures, like radioactive weed monsters in Mesa Verde or Gehennas in Burham Springs). Moreover, most of the stuff there is already confirmed canon or semi-canon already, which makes it easy to fit into modern Fallout. The story and wordbuilding, as well as characters, even in their primitive form are head and shoulder above recent content(4/76/TV Show) anyways so it's a moot point, I would love to see the same people complaining about Van Buren come up with their own theoretical perfect Fallout game and see how they fail to understand the setting or fail to come up with anything better(same as with the people claiming Fallout is woke who then fail to define "woke" and end up sounding like schizophrenics who similarly also don't understand the IP in the slightest).
 
Are you still crying about this? New Vegas is woke, bud, sorry to tell you AGAIN.
I dunno, pal. You're a Synthetic Man fan, so this coming from you(especially since he got his own thread) doesn't mean much. All the same energy of "Futa isn't gay!" and that's without going into that people who say shit like this blatantly do not understand the IP, the setting, game design, never take context into account ect. Our friend Joey(another synthcel, since banned) was a perfect example of all that.

I digress, I said that I wanted to see people who said Van Buren is no good to come up with a better design draft, but since you're not offering anything I guess you can't come up with anything better either. More empty words.
 
Are you still crying about this? New Vegas is woke, bud, sorry to tell you AGAIN.
What are you on about? All the ghoul racism is in 3 (which ironically continued the themes from 1 and 2), not NV. I guess you could count the gen1 mutants for that, but that's just continuing 2's themes on the topic.
Unless you mean the super-modern version of the term, but the fags and dykes aren't performative inclusions.
I would love to see the same people complaining about Van Buren come up with their own theoretical perfect Fallout game and see how they fail to understand the setting or fail to come up with anything better(same as with the people claiming Fallout is woke who then fail to define "woke" and end up sounding like schizophrenics who similarly also don't understand the IP in the slightest).
I could do this, but ultimately it would eventually draw upon the VB docs for either inspiration, names, or the core components of some event, making the point moot.
It would also still sound positively schizophrenic in the process because i can't make a readable design doc or lore compendium worth a damn, but that's less relevant.
 
You're a Synthetic Man fan, so this coming from you(especially since he got his own thread) doesn't mean much.
Sure, please explain to the class what your definition of woke is. I know you feel all giddy and validated about your retarded opinion now but that doesn't make the factual statement that New Vegas is woke incorrect.
What are you on about? All the ghoul racism is in 3 (which ironically continued the themes from 1 and 2), not NV. I guess you could count the gen1 mutants for that, but that's just continuing 2's themes on the topic.
Unless you mean the super-modern version of the term, but the fags and dykes aren't performative inclusions.
Fallout 3 is irrelevant to this discussion. The inclusion of fags at all is performative.
 
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The inclusion of fags at all is performative.
There is only one fag that doesn't have a reason to be such.
Every fag or dyke has a reason in NV- trauma and abuse, money, rebellion, or just plain being batshit- save for one.
No, it's not Arcade. He has reasons, even if they're not nearly as rock-solid as most others.
Fallout 3 is irrelevant to this discussion.
It's as relevant as the other two Fallouts as a baseline, otherwise you wouldn't be going on about how it was Woke, but instead how the whole series was always Woke.
Especially since as of the time of creation for both games, the term had a radically different meaning to what you ascribe to it now (to the point of not even being related in definition).
 
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