I wasn't minimizing his criminal shit, his criminal shit is a direct result of his being an egomaniac who was never properly socialized for his circumstances of being a sperg. He's intelligent enough despite that to recognize right from wrong, he just doesn't care. Plenty of people who aren't spergs who are the same way, their parents' failures at raising them don't excuse their criminal behavior either.
I don't think @draggs was trying to minimize his crimes but trying to speculate on why he did those crimes
Speculating on why Chris fucked his mom is in no way downplaying the fact that he fucked his mom, he's still guilty of that crime and possible rape regardless of why he did it.
I don't think @draggs was trying to minimize his crimes but trying to speculate on why he did those crimes
Speculating on why Chris fucked his mom is in no way downplaying the fact that he fucked his mom, he's still guilty of that crime and possible rape regardless of why he did it.
I imagine that these sort of disorders are all somewhat hereditary and I now wonder if the Greene County conspiracy was a mild persecutorial delusion. If Chris's account about Bob and Barb's beliefs is true, (which is a huge if,) it's absolutely delusional in the layman's sense. "They're all secretly gay over there and want my son so badly that they're pulling strings with their friends at the realtor's offices to make sure we can't sell our house!" Even if this is true, this is clearly not nearly the degree of Chris's problems but it does smell a little like a family history of delusions in the light of current happenings.
Epilogue:
Chris is in the worst hell he could have ever imagined. Trapped 24/7 with a herd of slow in the minds, being told "no!", and every time he acts up or refuses to follow orders the punishment comes down swift & certain. And there's fuck all he can do about."
This description is accurate, but outdated. Modern facilities still have some of these features, but it's nowhere near as harsh as described. In particular, punitive measures are less severe. There's still a quiet room, but it's supposed to be used more purposefully -- this is in order to drive home the reason that a patient is sent there, rather than making it seem capricious.
While facilities vary, the current WSH seems to be a brand-new one that replaced the old one.
That said, chimp out uncontrollably and you still get the needle.
99% it will not go to trial. The prosecutor is clearly not pressing for a trial as it is still in J&DR and he could get an indictment directly from the grand jury if he wanted to force the issue (it does not have to go through a probable cause hearing at the district level, even though that is the normal route -- if you *really* want the indictment you can bypass the lower courts).
The remaining unlikely case is that Chris remains absolutely defiant and demands that it go to trial. This has been offset by his psychiatric treatment. It's possible that if Chris remains delusionally defiant (demanding to be released rather than demanding a trial), he will remain in psychiatric care. Chris could fix this and with even a tiny understanding of how the process works, he could navigate it. He seems to be refusing to do this, instead retreating into magical thinking.
Thanks to my role as Cwcki janny, someone PM'ed on Discord claiming to work for an EMS in central Virginia managed to look into Chris's record and reveal some info without violating HIPAA. That person claimed that Chris was moved via ambulance with police escort and a staff ready to administer sedatives if required, though the latter is nothing out of the ordinary according to them. The location as also manually entered, as the record would normally have a predetermined set of destinations.
This is absolutely normal. They load them up in an ambulance in back and quietly take them off to the medical facility. I've learned to watch for this as they will not tell anyone when a patient is being transported, but if you know someone is going to be transported from the jail that day, you can watch for the ambulance and follow it to find out where they're going.
This exact situation can play out when relatives have arranged for a private attorney, but the transfer has already happened before they can get the attorney connected with the defendant. Since the attorney is not entitled to that information, that attorney has to wheedle to find a way to get in contact with his new client. It all gets sorted out within a few days, but there's a period of low information.
This is important as they will not notify relatives, and the relatives may not be in contact with whatever attorney has been assigned if this is all happening within hours of the initial arrest. In Chris's case, the attorney is well known and easy to contact, as all of this has happened a full six months into the case, but there are probably no relatives that care enough.
Yeah all that violates the hell out of HIPAA. HIPAA doesn't start at the medical facility door. It starts when any medical care is initiated, which includes EMS showing up, checking you out, putting you in the ambulance, taking you to the hospital or some other medical facility. The EMTs showing up and doing their thing and taking you somewhere is medical care. It's covered under HIPAA. As is getting non-emergency medical transportation, a service provided by ambulance companies.
Somebody told me they were told something on Discord and now I'm telling you what they said isn't information, it's story time.
Yes, absolutely a HIPAA violation. If you work for the EMS service, or whatever dispatch sent it, and share information from it, you violate HIPAA. The only way it would not be a HIPAA violation would be if you were completely unconnected with the process (like if a random citizen happened to see Chris being loaded into the ambulance and then followed the ambulance to find out where he was going).
Thanks to my role as Cwcki janny, someone PM'ed on Discord claiming to work for an EMS in central Virginia managed to look into Chris's record and reveal some info without violating HIPAA. That person claimed that Chris was moved via ambulance with police escort and a staff ready to administer sedatives if required, though the latter is nothing out of the ordinary according to them. The location as also manually entered, as the record would normally have a predetermined set of destinations.
In certain areas, there are logs of past EMS dispatch radio. If your source gave you an approximate time, it's possible that the most overly obsessive Kiwi could verify that there was an ambulance that made the purported trip. There obviously wouldn't be a 'passenger manifest' though
In certain areas, there are logs of past EMS dispatch radio. If your source gave you an approximate time, it's possible that the most overly obsessive Kiwi could verify that there was an ambulance that made the purported trip. There obviously wouldn't be a 'passenger manifest' though
I wasn't minimizing his criminal shit, his criminal shit is a direct result of his being an egomaniac who was never properly socialized for his circumstances of being a sperg. He's intelligent enough despite that to recognize right from wrong, he just doesn't care. Plenty of people who aren't spergs who are the same way, their parents' failures at raising them don't excuse their criminal behavior either.
Things have changed since I first started lurking. There was a time when the signs and omens were frequently quoted and it seemed like most Kiwis knew Chris would rape Barb if he got the opportunity. It got repetitive and annoying how frequently people predicted it.
“You’re always pretty.”
“You used to do that more flirtingly.”
The way they behaved at court hearings, the spooning, the way Chris started wearing Bob’s wedding band. The posts about incestuous dreams and the article about the mother/son incest he linked to. Kiwis kept a log of these things and made jokes like the “She came for CWC” parody. This wasn’t an out of the blue thing only a few prophets saw coming.
Judging from his last letter I'm saying he definitely had a breakdown upon realizing he isn't going home. A whole page and a half of "prayers" him screeching in desperation 'LET ME GO HOME PLEASE! I WANNA GO HOME PLEASE! LET ME GO HOME PLEASE! THE HATERS WILL HAVE THEIR DARK SOULS DISSOLVED PLEASE! LET ME GO HOME PLEASE !REEEEEEE'
heh, hell look at bob in videos and hear him on the phone he seems like a dead inside empty shell of what once was a man, he just gave up early on and left chris to be a screw up, while the other 3 kids, grew up, go the hell out, and made something of themselves.
I think you can spot the exact point Bob lost all remaining hope in that Chandler family Christmas video where the retard was trying to give Bob those pirated Fraggle Rock VHS tapes (while keeping the original for himself of course).
Well he’s definitely crazy. He believes his comics are real to a degree. Hes a tranny. Hes super on the spectrum. Has past history of mental disorder. Fucks his mom. The judge is most likely not gonna question much on whether or not chris can functional say the merge isnt real lol.
A court is generally going to treat such claims with caution and err on the side of granting a cool-off period to sane someone up a bit. About the biggest disaster you can have as a trial court judge is waste everyone's time on a trial and then find out not only did you not make the right decision, but you fucked it up so badly that you shouldn't have even had a trial at all in the first place and it's all null and void, not just the mistake.
Six months in the laughing academy for a guy who'd have been in jail anyway is no big deal.
Like I did just a quick search for an example and the Unabomber's psychiatic evaluation was able to be unsealed by the news media... and I've seen plenty of trials where a psychiatric doctor testifies. Is there a reason that isn't considered confidential?
Psychiatric evaluations for the purpose of litigation are generally taken with the knowledge they may be used that way. The primary purpose of them isn't treatment. Obviously if someone makes their own mental health a part of a defense in the proceeding, they're going to have to pony up the evidence. If it's particularly sensitive, they can have it submitted under seal or available only for in camera (i.e. judge's chambers) inspection, for instance if the judge has to see it to determine whether or not it's protected by a claimed privilege.
In this case, if it's tried entirely in the J&DR court we'll know very little of the details of what happened. Even if it's heard in the Circuit Court, it's possible Heilberg will try to have it sealed and probably succeed in doing so if he tries.
I don't think even ME thought he'd go quite this low. It's funny to think ME was considered a gigantic A-Log by some people and Chris turned out even worse than ME said.
99% it will not go to trial. The prosecutor is clearly not pressing for a trial as it is still in J&DR and he could get an indictment directly from the grand jury if he wanted to force the issue (it does not have to go through a probable cause hearing at the district level, even though that is the normal route -- if you *really* want the indictment you can bypass the lower courts).
They are very probably on a route to a plea or may have already informally reached a handshake agreement to be finalized some time before the one year deadline. Or for all we know, it's actually already on paper and signed.
We won't see a trial unless negotiations break down or the parties want to see the outcome of some pre-trial motion practice like motions in limine to argue about what evidence gets admitted. A lot of times a ruling on such a matter makes the contours of a potential plea deal look more apparent. For instance suppose the prosecution is trying to prove facts and the only evidence they have for them turns out inadmissible.
They are very probably on a route to a plea or may have already informally reached a handshake agreement to be finalized some time before the one year deadline. Or for all we know, it's actually already on paper and signed.
We won't see a trial unless negotiations break down or the parties want to see the outcome of some pre-trial motion practice like motions in limine to argue about what evidence gets admitted. A lot of times a ruling on such a matter makes the contours of a potential plea deal look more apparent. For instance suppose the prosecution is trying to prove facts and the only evidence they have for them turns out inadmissible.
I wasn't asking if it was going to trial, that already was discussed at length here over the past months so I know that won't be happening. The question was just under what circumstances can the public request documents that are considered evidence for this case. From what I can imply from the FAQ, the division that this case is in conducts matters privately, but it sounds like the proceedings thus far have not been kept strictly private, since the hearing where he threw a small fit was reported on as well as users here having contacted the courthouse asking about the status of the case. I didn't see any definitive answers given about what information we could expect to be obtainable from this case going forward, it doesn't sound like a clear-cut matter and I'm guessing discretion could be exercised by those holding that power.
I wasn't referring to fictional depictions in the media, was just trying to understand why some high profile cases allow for records such as psych evaluations to eventually be released, which is usually then reported on by the media. Evidently HIPAA does not prevent that from happening.
Things have changed since I first started lurking. There was a time when the signs and omens were frequently quoted and it seemed like most Kiwis knew Chris would rape Barb if he got the opportunity. It got repetitive and annoying how frequently people predicted it.
“You’re always pretty.”
“You used to do that more flirtingly.”
The way they behaved at court hearings, the spooning, the way Chris started wearing Bob’s wedding band. The posts about incestuous dreams and the article about the mother/son incest he linked to. Kiwis kept a log of these things and made jokes like the “She came for CWC” parody. This wasn’t an out of the blue thing only a few prophets saw coming.
Everyone knew Chris had an Oedipus complex, yes, however, for all the signs and omens that Chris would rape barb, he had also shown an aversion to outright incest on numerous occasions.
He denounced incest of all varieties in more than one mailbag
When word of the spooning got out he vehemently denied that there was anything sexual. Also, spooning was Barb's idea.
In the news article he linked about the mother/son incest case, he emphasized that he was talking about the specific case in question and promised Kim Wilson that he had not and would not fuck his mom
Chris uses over affectionate terms with his mom, but he uses them on everybody claiming that actresses in old-timey movies used "darling" without a romantic connotation
Even up till Jan 2020 he made a random facebook post refuting claims of incest with his comic characters, but also denouncing incest in general
Additionally, although Chris has been disturbingly ambivalent to the concept of rape in the past, it was clear he knew it was wrong.
I'm not saying the signs weren't there, they were. However, they didn't exist in a vacuum, hypothetically, if the situation was reversed and Chris never fucked his mom, it would be just as simple to cherry pick all the instances when Chris showed aversion to incest and claim they were signs he would never fuck his mom. Given all the pro and anti incest statements Chris has made over the years, any prediction of "Chris will rape his mom" would have had to discount all of the opposing signs.
I don't think so. Stints in mental institutions are often longer than the equivalent prison sentence. They won't release Chris until he is either safe to rejoin society, or is able to fool them into thinking he is safe to rejoin society. Knowing Chris, neither will happen, he can easily be locked up for decades.
yeah but do ya think he'da done it without writing the easy fluff piece for the newspaper too?
i've always thought the bOrb were seeking to make chris run the TV talkshow circuit that always featured "idiot savants" back in the late late 70s to mid 80's. the earliest i remember was "That's Incredible!" they'd have a ret'hard on weekly and it was like...
"by the end of our show LIVE this downsyndrome man will craft a model of a model-T ford car using nothing but craft paper, white glue, and toothpicks".
"by the end of our show LIVE this autistic man will draw a perfect reproduction of the golden-gate bridge from a different vantage point from the reference photograph we allowed him to look at for only 2 minutes! LIVE!".
"by the end of our show LIVE this deaf, dumb, blind, retarded black man will be allowed to use fucking scalding hot tar and his bare fucking hands to sculpt a copy of a statue of a random animal he felt once. we don't even know WTF it'll be yet!! LIVE!".
[it was a bull with huge cAcknBawlzen]
...i can remember way more; trust you get the idea, ya?
"i digress"
bob thought chris was legit talented at vidja. at, like, 'savant' TV star level.
he's was impressed at shit moving faster than a pong pixel.
every time chris wanted a new game he probably said "i beat this one already".
mostly because shame & confirmation bias kept chris from being coyote food
