Firearms Training and Practice - Focusing on skills, not gear.

[Pretend To Imagine]

There’s definitely a huge curve. If you’re taking classes and shoot regularly you’re above 90% of all gun owners. If you’re competing you’re at like less than a percent and even at that level you’ll still find a ceiling you can’t reach.

The shooting requirements for my ccw and hearing my family talk about guns really opened my eyes to just how bad some gun owners are and how autistic I am about guns. There’s a 70% accuracy test on a fuck huge silhouette target up close and I’ve seen people fail that.


I’m thankful for some of the guys who travel and teach because they introduce me to a bunch of ranges I never knew existed and hoping on practiscore introduced me to a small place I pass by regularly I didn’t know existed. Right now I’m trying to find a decent 200-300 yard range to practice on that isn’t membership only with mandatory days I have to be there.

I can’t even get people to dry fire, let alone actually go to the range.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Anyone have any idea on how to hone distance shooting without shooting distance? Anything under 30 yards I’m a fucking beast on but when stages start going out to 200-300 yards I struggle.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Anyone have any idea on how to hone distance shooting without shooting distance? Anything under 30 yards I’m a fucking beast on but when stages start going out to 200-300 yards I struggle.

200-300 yards shouldn’t be an issue with a rifle caliber from a supported position. Standing unsupported is more difficult.

Can you be more specific about the 200-300 stuff that’s giving trouble?

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Mostly holds and trigger control. Torso targets give me no issue but it was plates I didn’t know the size of, forgot to ask, distance was questionable to what I was told, and instead of slowing down and taking my time I figured I’d shoot faster which lead to predictable results

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Mostly holds and trigger control. Torso targets give me no issue but it was plates I didn’t know the size of, forgot to ask, distance was questionable to what I was told, and instead of slowing down and taking my time I figured I’d shoot faster which lead to predictable results

What is your rifle, ammo, optic, and zero distance?

 

[Boney]

Anyone have any idea on how to hone distance shooting without shooting distance? Anything under 30 yards I’m a fucking beast on but when stages start going out to 200-300 yards I struggle.

Not to beat pretend to the punch here, but if you are getting frustrating feedback at distance, knowing your holds based on your particular zero is going to be the winning ticket to first round impacts.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

What is your rifle, ammo, optic, and zero distance?

AR15 with a 14.5 pinned and welded comp (1/7 twist), 5.56 55 grain (mix of winchester and imi m193), eotech exp, zero'd at 25 yards. I kept trying to hold middle of the stand just to hit the stand at allegedly 200 so I'll probably recheck my zero. Cant remember if I used my plinking 223 wolf gold or my normal mix of rounds. My 300 yard holds were well above and I had no idea where they landing so I took the miss penalty to save time.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

AR15 with a 14.5 pinned and welded comp (1/7 twist), 5.56 55 grain (mix of winchester and imi m193), eotech exp, zero'd at 25 yards. I kept trying to hold middle of the stand just to hit the stand at allegedly 200 so I'll probably recheck my zero. Cant remember if I used my plinking 223 wolf gold or my normal mix of rounds. My 300 yard holds were well above and I had no idea where they landing so I took the miss penalty to save time.

25 yard zero does weird shit at distance. Assuming you are running a lower 1/3 optic you are gonna be 6” high at 100, 9.8” high at 200, and 5.6” high at 300.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

I’m probably going to switch to a 50 yard zero. And ditch the magnifier. I feel like it’s making me overthink and overcorrect more than I should.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I’m probably going to switch to a 50 yard zero. And ditch the magnifier. I feel like it’s making me overthink and overcorrect more than I should.

50 yard zero will be about 1.5” high at 100, dead on at 200, and 8.8” low at 300. Assuming you are not running a riser.

I would keep the magnifier. You can always flip it to the side

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Range trip today. More maintenance than practice.

Confirmed zero on a couple rifles, and confirmed holds out to 400.

Practiced standing offhand at 100 on torso targets. Practiced from low ready, follow ups, and transitions.

For fun did some standing offhand at 200 with rifle and 100 with pistol.

Confirmed zero on my pistol at 25.

 

[Dean Pentel]

50 yard zero

I think this zero is alright if you're running short barrel suppressed rifles. If not, I submit that the 100 yd zero is better.

Also, I found what I think is a very good video to help some folks develop their pistol skills. Clicky here.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I think this zero is alright if you're running short barrel suppressed rifles. If not, I submit that the 100 yd zero is better.

Also, I found what I think is a very good video to help some folks develop their pistol skills. Clicky here.

With a 50 yard zero I have no hold overs until 300, and even 400 is a simple “hat” hold.

I would reserve 100 yard zeros for magnified optics with BDC or reticles with holds.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

To be fair I'm not a fan of .22LR firearms like the G44 and the couple M4 clones like M&P 15-22. I believe dealing with the recoil is an integral part of the training.

To me, the benefit of 22lr training is cost. An MP15-22 can teach you the fundamentals a lot easier, and cheaper than using a regular MP-15. That being said, something like a cmmg drop in conversion would be a good substitute, as it allows you to use your rifle, get used to its weight, and how it works, before switching to the more expensive 5.56.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

To me, the benefit of 22lr training is cost. An MP15-22 can teach you the fundamentals a lot easier, and cheaper than using a regular MP-15. That being said, something like a cmmg drop in conversion would be a good substitute, as it allows you to use your rifle, get used to its weight, and how it works, before switching to the more expensive 5.56.

I think if you’re going the .22 route you should just get a double action revolver and shoot it in double action mode. That will teach great trigger control and being good with a handgun makes rifle shooting easier.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

I think if you’re going the .22 route you should just get a double action revolver and shoot it in double action mode. That will teach great trigger control and being good with a handgun makes rifle shooting easier.

I mean, IMO it depends on the double action. Cause some horrid ones will just make everything worse.

 

[Sneak Deadly Gangster]

if anybody wants an excellent tool for dry fire practice, get a Mantis system, they automatically reset your trigger.

https://mantisx.com/

 

[Boney]

Welp. After long consideration and deep research I've decided investing in PDWs and PCCs is a total waste of time.

Doea anyone here have a legitimate point of use for their PDW or PCC? I deeply desire to justify buying a TP9 because I think they are fucking cool, I'm particularly interested in what anyone might have to say about using one under NODs.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Welp. After long consideration and deep research I've decided investing in PDWs and PCCs is a total waste of time.

Doea anyone here have a legitimate point of use for their PDW or PCC? I deeply desire to justify buying a TP9 because I think they are fucking cool, I'm particularly interested in what anyone might have to say about using one under NODs.

I got into a 9mm AR because where I lived at the time it allowed more opportunities for reps with a carbine, since you can generally shoot them anywhere that you can a pistol.

I eventually switched from a direct blow back gun to a delayed blowback barrel and bolt from CMMG.

You can have a much shorter package with pistol calibers while still remaining quiet and not affecting performance or reliability.

I don’t see any difference with NV so long as you can mount everything you want.

 

[Boney]

I got into a 9mm AR because where I lived at the time it allowed more opportunities for reps with a carbine, since you can generally shoot them anywhere that you can a pistol.

I eventually switched from a direct blow back gun to a delayed blowback barrel and bolt from CMMG.

It is extremely disheartening how many PDWs are lazyly engineered direct blow back weapons. Having a very handy small package that suppresses well and can mount and capitalize on force multipliers is too much to ask I guess. Best we can do are AR9s, B&T line up, and I guess an MP5K. All of which sort of suck in their own ways.