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Oh great so everyone does their 1 stop under the safety car and then we continue as before but with no strategy.
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Stroll in 9th, so much for the might Tracing Point. I bet Perez is shedding tears of frustration watching daddy's boy being mediocre.
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And of course all the luck goes the usual way, fuck the world championship may as well just gift it to him. Let's hope that car doesn't weigh enough.
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Hamilton manages to squeak first and Bottas suffers the same fate but drops out of the points? Just give him the title now. When was the last time there was a battle for the title that wasn’t between two drivers from the same team?
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The really grim part is it's the same cars next year with lots of restrictions on development and spending so it's basically 2 seasons of this shit. I just hope removal of the DAS really hurts them but I doubt it.
Next week's softer tyres and forecast warmer temperatures might make for a bit more of a strategic race and hopefully the Mercs will come at it from a risk averse perspective, but even playing it super safe they have the pace.
I guess we know who does the long run car set up during practice for the racing points. Stroll was nowhere and getting done down the straights with a Mercades engine in the thing.
Next week's softer tyres and forecast warmer temperatures might make for a bit more of a strategic race and hopefully the Mercs will come at it from a risk averse perspective, but even playing it super safe they have the pace.
I guess we know who does the long run car set up during practice for the racing points. Stroll was nowhere and getting done down the straights with a Mercades engine in the thing.
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Last real chamionship fight was 2016 when Rosberg manged to beat Hmailton thanks in part to Lewis' bad luck and over confidence. But the best saison for us viewers would be 2012. Other then that we have a tpyical F1 season like 2002 or 2004 when one team ripped their opponents to shreds. Maybe Mercedes can top Mclaren from 1988 by winning all races.
Let's see if Pirelli will change their minds in regards to the tyre composition. they planned to bring softer tyres for next race (also in Silverstone) but seeing today I think they will reconsider that. I mean F2 also had the same problems (also the front left tyre)
Let's see if Pirelli will change their minds in regards to the tyre composition. they planned to bring softer tyres for next race (also in Silverstone) but seeing today I think they will reconsider that. I mean F2 also had the same problems (also the front left tyre)
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I hope they don't change their minds on the tyres. Just tell them tough guess you need to actually bother with strategy for this race rather than a predictable 1 stop.
On other news someMarxists terrorists climate change protestors get arrested for trying to break in to protest the race.
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PIRELLI REVEALS FINDINGS FROM BRITISH GP TYRE INVESTIGATION
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By Valentin Khorounzhiy
Formula 1 tyre supplier Pirelli has announced the results of an “initial analysis” into the tyre failures that occurred during the British Grand Prix.
The two Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas, as well as McLaren’s Carlos Sainz, all suffered punctures in quick succession in the closing stages of the race.
All three had been running on C1 compound tyres that had completed nearly 40 laps, after Daniil Kvyat’s crash and subsequent safety car had forced the vast majority of the competitors into early pitstops.
Though debris, possibly from Kimi Raikkonen’s front wing failure, have been mooted as a potential factor responsible for the punctures, Pirelli’s analysis did not mention these as a probable cause, instead highlighting excessive wear.
“The key reason is down to a set of individual race circumstances that led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres,” Pirelli’s statement read.
“The second safety car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar.
“Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history.
“The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play.”
Pirelli has also communicated that the failures will not impact the plan to deploy a softer range of tyres for the second Silverstone race weekend.
The British GP used C1, C2 and C3 tyres, but C2 will become the hard for the 70th Anniversary GP event, with C3 named as the medium and C4 as the soft.
Pirelli says it will “review the usage prescription” for the event, and will raise minimal tyre pressures for slicks.
These were 25 psi for the front tyres and 21 psi for the rear during the British GP.
SOURCE: https://the-race.com/formula-1/pirelli-reveals-findings-from-british-gp-tyre-investigation/
4 mins ago
By Valentin Khorounzhiy
Formula 1 tyre supplier Pirelli has announced the results of an “initial analysis” into the tyre failures that occurred during the British Grand Prix.
The two Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas, as well as McLaren’s Carlos Sainz, all suffered punctures in quick succession in the closing stages of the race.
All three had been running on C1 compound tyres that had completed nearly 40 laps, after Daniil Kvyat’s crash and subsequent safety car had forced the vast majority of the competitors into early pitstops.
Though debris, possibly from Kimi Raikkonen’s front wing failure, have been mooted as a potential factor responsible for the punctures, Pirelli’s analysis did not mention these as a probable cause, instead highlighting excessive wear.
“The key reason is down to a set of individual race circumstances that led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres,” Pirelli’s statement read.
“The second safety car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar.
“Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history.
“The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play.”
Pirelli has also communicated that the failures will not impact the plan to deploy a softer range of tyres for the second Silverstone race weekend.
The British GP used C1, C2 and C3 tyres, but C2 will become the hard for the 70th Anniversary GP event, with C3 named as the medium and C4 as the soft.
Pirelli says it will “review the usage prescription” for the event, and will raise minimal tyre pressures for slicks.
These were 25 psi for the front tyres and 21 psi for the rear during the British GP.
SOURCE: https://the-race.com/formula-1/pirelli-reveals-findings-from-british-gp-tyre-investigation/
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But having a standard tyre is most fair, there's no argument over who has the best built tyre, and also there's money in is, so it's never going back. Even in sportscar racing where it is still in places in effect it's getting slowly ebbed away in favour of the tyre provider paying for their name to be on a lot of things.
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I agree, it's never going back, unfortunately imo, but there was the competition between tyre manufacturers over who could make the better tyres, who had the softer compound for quali, who made the best tyres for rainy conditions, etc, and now it's just Pirelli; they admittedly excelled in making rain tyres back in the 80s, but the Goodyears were just the better overall option.
Having a spec tyre is a good option for making things cheaper, which is a positive, but that's another part of the competitiveness that's missing.
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I think Indianapolis put the nail in the multiple manufacturers coffin. It wasn't necessarily the fact that one tyre fell apart but that because they all didn't they couldn't agree a "fair" way forwards that would help the ones on the tyres that fell apart while not punishing the ones with the good tyres.
What I would like to see if teams being able to pick 3 compounds from any of the Pirelli range rather than just how many of each of a designated 3, then you would see some teams taking a stupidly soft tyre to qualify high and try to make that work while others would take a really hard one to limit stops. It would also drive car development towards not destroying softer tyres so they could go softer than their rivals but manage a reasonable life in them too. Plus second guessing what the other teams would do would make for some extra tactics.
I think the thing driving these lack of tactical chooses and crap like drs are the moron fans who don't care about the car, the engineering, tactics etc and just want "durr car go fast, black man win again" (and yes I am asserting who those types are a fan of. I know plenty of people who thought me watching F1 was dumb because "it's just watching cars go round in a circle" until Hamilton started winning and now they're super fans who deny even knocking it. They still know nothing of development, changing rules etc though).
As for the race this weekend, I wonder if any of the teams will take off a bit of downforce to preserve the tyre, losing that little bit of performance but being able to go a bit harder on the tyre without worrying about the puncture likelihood.
What I would like to see if teams being able to pick 3 compounds from any of the Pirelli range rather than just how many of each of a designated 3, then you would see some teams taking a stupidly soft tyre to qualify high and try to make that work while others would take a really hard one to limit stops. It would also drive car development towards not destroying softer tyres so they could go softer than their rivals but manage a reasonable life in them too. Plus second guessing what the other teams would do would make for some extra tactics.
I think the thing driving these lack of tactical chooses and crap like drs are the moron fans who don't care about the car, the engineering, tactics etc and just want "durr car go fast, black man win again" (and yes I am asserting who those types are a fan of. I know plenty of people who thought me watching F1 was dumb because "it's just watching cars go round in a circle" until Hamilton started winning and now they're super fans who deny even knocking it. They still know nothing of development, changing rules etc though).
As for the race this weekend, I wonder if any of the teams will take off a bit of downforce to preserve the tyre, losing that little bit of performance but being able to go a bit harder on the tyre without worrying about the puncture likelihood.
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Great you can always retire/quit, or give it all to charity or move back to the UK and actually pay some tax so the government can use it to help those people. Oh wait, no, you won't do that it's just a virtue signal you have no intention of backing up with actual action.
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Racing point fined 400k and docked 15 points after Renault appeal upheld. The front brake ducts were fine but the rears a little too close. They've been allowed to keep the design for the season though because it's an integral part and they couldn't just redesign it.
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It sounds like the Ferrari engine saga. Its wrong, your ass is fined, take a hit in the WCC, but you can keep using them! LOL They should still finish 3rd/4th in WCC even with the docking of some points.
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Yeah, I don't think they could design new brake ducts quick enough and "unlearn" what they already know without significant expense and changes to the car so that's probably why. The ducts aren't illegal, it's the fact they're made from Mercades CAD files that they were given in 2019 when you could buy ducts from other teams. If they had made one and run it once last season it would have been legal but they submitted them after the "they're now listed parts" deadline.
It's amazing how many people on twitter are pissed about there being technical rules in the first place. Like I said in my previous post "durr car go fast" types.
People keep going on about innovation while totally ignoring that copying is the opposite of innovating. If you got rid of these rules you'd get 22 identical cars. These rules force the teams to come up with a solution to the problem and those differences are what make the sport actually interesting.
It's amazing how many people on twitter are pissed about there being technical rules in the first place. Like I said in my previous post "durr car go fast" types.
People keep going on about innovation while totally ignoring that copying is the opposite of innovating. If you got rid of these rules you'd get 22 identical cars. These rules force the teams to come up with a solution to the problem and those differences are what make the sport actually interesting.
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This wouldn't actually happen unless it's a spec series like the rest of open-wheel formulas simply because major manufacturers would take a different design philosophy to their car. Right now, the problem is not that they can't come up with a solution and more that they don't have the money to solve the issue.
Besides, you are not gonna see a lot of innovation in current F1 because if a team figures out a clever solution to a problem, it WILL be banned next year.
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So you're saying if we allowed teams to buy and use the designs from each other for every component we wouldn't end up with at least 4 teams running last year's Mercades, another few running Ferrari's last year car etc? The likes of Haas, alpha tauri, Alfa Romeo are already buying the maximum number of parts they're allowed to off other teams and if they let them go full at it they would basically be buying last year's car. Making them design those parts themselves leads to as many solutions as there are teams and maybe one of the little guys finds some advantage in their version, that is innovation.
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The problem is still the issue of money. A big team can put like multiple potential designs with one design most certainly 110 percent legal. Smaller teams only have money to go down the path that will ensure they can race at all.
It's obvious to anyone in charge of a 100 million USD business that has to deal with 400+ million competition that they can't afford to take risky choices if it means they won't be in business next year.