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This Renault protest at the racing points is going to set some major precadent. Those prescribed parts are supposed to be independently developed. I don't think we have ever had a ruling on if taking photos and working out the part from there is classed as "independently developed".

Obviously all teams get as much from their rivals as they can and set about developing in that direction but at what level does that become not independently developed?

I suppose it hinges on what level of information they have, if it is just official photos from races and testing presumably that's ok? Of they have photos that have been taken essentially spying then that's got to be pushing it and if they have physically seen the parts not attached to a car/spoke with Mercades then that's got to be crossing the line?

It's going to be drawing a line in a very grey area. If they draw it too far to one side then developing from photos/visual measurements will be stopped, then what's the development plan going forward with the wind tunnel time so restricted, no testing and budget caps. Too far to the other and they might as well allow customer cars again.

Either way if the FIA rule parts on the racing point are illegal then they are left basically without a car until they can develop all those bits "from scratch". If they do and they're very similar again is that because that is what their development says is optimal or is it because of the designer's knowledge from the last round of "development" and this illegal all over again?

This is going to open up a huge mess and I bet the FIA technical authority are really wishing racing point didn't do it or that no one brought a protest.
 
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YESSSS!!!! 8:45 am here for me, but I just put this song on nice and loud while waiting for the show to begin! (Great extended version and amazing drum solo!)
 
Looks nice and damp. Hopefully it's changeable because it always makes for a great strategic race. If they start on inters it ruins racing point's hard work in Q2 though.

Well done Max.
 
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Without a safety car, shower or reliability this race was over by turn 1.

Well that's more or less it for the championship this year. Just have to hope for some good racing, ie not any more of these.
 
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Lewis Hamilton responds to Mario Andretti, Sir Jackie Stewart comments: 'Just disappointing'

Lewis Hamilton says he is disappointed with the recent comments made by Mario Andretti and Sir Jackie Stewart after it was claimed he had become a "militant" and that there wasn't a "big problem" with diversity in Formula 1.

Hamilton has been a vocal and prominent campaigner against racism since the death of American George Floyd in May, while he has also launched a commission to encourage more diversity in F1, in which he is the only black driver. F1 have set up their own We Race As One initiative.

The six-time champion has also shown his support in 2020's opening three races. Hamilton performed the Black Power salute on top of his Mercedes car and on top of the podium after winning the Styrian GP, while he has taken a knee before every race, urging drivers who have stood to join him.

But speaking before last weekend's Hungarian GP, motorsport legend Andretti was quoted as telling Chilean newspaper El Mercurio: "I have a lot of respect for Lewis, but why become a militant? He's always been accepted and he's earned everyone's respect.

"I think the whole point of this is pretentious. I feel that way. And it's creating a problem that doesn't exist."

Hamilton responded to the comments on social media, saying that he has always had respect for Andretti, who is famously an F1 and multi IndyCar champion, but called on the American to "educate himself".

"This is disappointing but unfortunately a reality that some of the older generation who still have a voice today cannot get out of their own way and acknowledge there is a problem," Hamilton wrote on an Instagram story.

"Again, this is plain ignorance but that will not stop me from continuing to push for change. It is never too late to learn and I hope that this man who I've always had respect for can take the time to educate himself."

Stewart, meanwhile, denied there was a major racism issue in F1.

"I think Lewis has been a great example to lots of people," the Scottish three-time F1 champion said on Good Morning Britain last week. "He's quite vocal about these elements, I don't think there's as big a problem as there might seem.

"There is no resistance for change if someone is clever and good at what they do. They will be accepted in Formula 1."

In his following Instagram post, Hamilton wrote: "Again, another one. Just disappointing."

In the same interview, Andretti also said that the investigation into a 'noose' found in black NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace's garage - which was eventually discovered to be a door-pull - "became bigger than it should be" and that he wished "politics didn't get mixed up with sport".

He went on to speak about Mercedes changing their livery from the usual silver in 2020.

"Painting the car black, I don't know what good it will do," he added.

"I've met drivers from different backgrounds, races, and I've always welcomed them with open arms. In motor racing it doesn't matter what colour you are; you have to earn your place with results, and that's the same for everyone."

Hamilton has said F1's authorities, teams and drivers need to "do so much more" in the fight against racism and inequality - and called for more "leadership" on the matter - after pre-race scenes at the Hungarian GP he labelled "embarrassing".
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Black guy who is the number 1 driver for the best car on the grid with the highest salary (or very close to) of any driver bitching that F1 has a "diversity" problem and needs to do so much more.

Thank god there are still people not too cowardly to call him out on it. The best part is all Lewis can do is post to "educate yourself", "muh boomers" and "another one". Lewis really is just a caricature of the rich woke millennial lecturing everyone else about how hard it is to be him at this point.

Oh yeah F1 has such a diversity problem. Tell me Lewis how many nationalities of driver have there been? How many have you raced against? Is that not diverse?

Lewis, I challenge you to go for a wander around downtown Baltimore. No security, no handlers. Just you and your expensive jewelry, let us know how well you fit in with one of the African Americans you keep pretending to be.
 
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Lewis reminds me, in a way, of how Michael Jackson "evolved" to become the freak he became. Stick to your craft/job/talent instead of using your platform to try and coerce, shame or brainwash people. My favorite musician is a nig, but my favorite driver isn't!

Actually, speaking of Jimi, he was all about equality and often spoke about how it doesn't matter what colour you are and shit. He had two honkies in his band and he also shunned the Black Panther movement and wasn't down with the black power trip at all. Jimi once said "I love my guitar. Race isn't a problem in my world. I don't look at things in terms of races. I look at things in terms of people."

Its so weird seeing how racism is such a big issue in today's screwed up society when, in reality, it isn't about that. Its about the rich and powerful and elite vs. the 99% of the rest of the world. And guess who is a 1%? Mr. Lewis Hamilton. I'd like to know why Lewis needs a ton of vehicles (super expensive ones at that), multiple residences etc. Why does someone need to live in a multi-million dollar house when the bulk of the world's population would be lucky to make $1mil over the course of their entire life?

Good point @Coccxys about throwing Lewis in the middle of a hood somewhere. He'd be mugged and robbed in a minute! I'd love to hear him try and pontificate to the thugs who would not give a shit and just want $hit from him.

It floors me that we have a thread about F1, a RACING series, and politics and BS are talked about more than the drivers, action on track, results etc. Shows you how prolific and prevalent this garbage is that its the center of discussion instead of the racing.

Sad state of affairs on planet Earth.
 
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Coccxys said:
Black guy who is the number 1 driver for the best car on the grid with the highest salary (or very close to) of any driver bitching that F1 has a "diversity" problem and needs to do so much more.
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He is salty because F1 has been dieing since before he joined. the number of Car companies involved went down after the biggest driver in racing History ended his career in 2005--- he also only wins because he has by far the best Car and had it for years.
 
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the biggest driver in racing History ended his career in 2005
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Anyway I have some bad news For both Mercedes and Mercedes Force India Racing Point haters coming out of Brixworth. but please take with a gain of salt since the source isn't a higher up and I'm vague just incase to protect source.

1. Racing point didn't get any info out of Merc for building the aero and chassis, apart from for the parts they brought.

2. The puffs of smoke which has gotten some people (including competitors) thinking they are cheating is actually something very mundane and what the engine has always been doing but it seems (100% my speculation) some repackaging has been done which has lead to oil hitting a hot part and it is nothing to worry about.
 
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New Fag said:
Who was that?

Anyway I have some bad news For both Mercedes and Mercedes Force India Racing Point haters coming out of Brixworth. but please take with a gain of salt since the source isn't a higher up and I'm vague just incase to protect source.

1. Racing point didn't get any info out of Merc for building the aero and chassis, apart from for the parts they brought.

2. The puffs of smoke which has gotten some people (including competitors) thinking they are cheating is actually something very mundane and what the engine has always been doing but it seems (100% my speculation) some repackaging has been done which has lead to oil hitting a hot part and it is nothing to worry about.
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For the greatest driver whose career ended in 2005, I was going to say Jacques Villeneuve of course!:lol: But he raced for the first dozen or so races in '06 so that one won't work.

Thanks for the info, and welcome to the thread Marlboro Man!

There is some bad news for RP though. Checo got the coof!! Out for the next 2 races given the quarantine protocol.

And who is looking likely to replace him? The Hulk! Apparently he is preferred choice of RP to put in the car! They could use Stoffel, but he is prepping for the lawnmower races in Berlin.

Gutierrez also could drive. No wait, he can't drive, thats why he isn't in F1 anymore! HAHA He is good sim racer though! He is an option but he'd be last choice of the 3.

Would it not be amazing if Hulk does come back, he fucking gets a podium? I'd love to see that happen, would be hilarious. But at least he would have gotten one!
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God I hope Hulk comes back into that car and finally gets his podium.
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Or fucking Spain 2016 happens and his 3rd become a win!

I am not one to know a hell of a lot (nothing) about which tracks suits specific cars. Is Silverstone a RB track or is that one they aren't so hot at? If they are kind of off pace, there is a huge chance he could get the podium. It really would be cool, but bittersweet in a way. He had a few races like Brazil, Germany where he deserved the podium but it didn't come to fruition. So will be odd seeing him get it after he was forced out of F1. Imagine him and Perez in the RP this year? They'd be 2nd best with Max for sure.
 
Silverstone tends to favour the Merc so expect a Hamilton and Bottas check out race but also expect the RP to be strong.
 
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Right now we have the virtue signalling optics out of the way let's get on with the Mercades 1-2 snooze fest.
 
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I'm done! With that stupid fantasy game. Sergio out so chose Hulk to replace him in my team and as the turbo driver. What happens? Its like a black comedy. But what a shame man. Unbelievable.
 
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