Game of Thrones Thread

[Ginger Piglet]

When a bunch of shitposters on a trolling forum can write your television series better than you can, maybe it's time for a career change, D&D?

 

[Marco Fucko]

When a bunch of shitposters on a trolling forum can write your television series better than you can, maybe it's time for a career change, D&D?

Not until they're done making Will Smith fight himself in Gemini Man.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Yeah, can we talk about that? You're right, Cersei literally blew up the equivalent of the Pope and a major cathedral (I'd say the Vatican but iirc the center of the Faith of the Seven is in Oldtown; let's call the Sept of Baelor Notre Dame for comparison). And not just the people in the sept, we saw shots of random civilians getting killed by the blast. That should have major ramifications. Cersei literally committed a terrorist attack against the religion of Westeros (and most Westerosis are heavily religious, especially the smallfolk). And yet we're told that the people are totally fine with Cersei and aren't planning an uprising yet or anything. Cool.

One of the biggest symptoms of the shows breakdown has been the complete breakdown in political fallout. Cersai may have murdered the pope and massive number of noble house members in the name of incest and ramsey may have been a complete maniac who destroyed everything he touched but under no circumstances will this be a problem until the good guys show up. If anything Cersai should at the point where she's struggling to maintain the loyalty of Lannister support structures due to the murder of Kevan and the fall of casterly rock. Nothing the characters actually do matter because the plot needs it not too.
On a Strategic/realpolitik level final episodes should have been Daenerys systematically consolidating her position in the seven kingdoms, while crushing any pockets of resistance and then simply waiting for Cersai to run out of money and food. But that isnt very dramatic if you're a lazy writter so here we are.

Something that always bugged me about the entire Dany plot: Dany is a foreigner with a foreign army, meaning the people of Westeros are going to intrinsically be against her. The Targaryens ruled for a very long time, true, but Robert's Rebellion and the subsequent power struggles have made both the lords and commoners very weary of even more conflict. So, what comes over the horizon? A progeny of the Mad King, with an army of nomadic raiders and neutered slaves. Oh yeah, three aggressive animals that eat livestock and light shit on fire too. Fantastic!

Westeros is nominally based on feudal Europe, nationalistic idea's shouldn't really have the same traction as they do in our own culture. More important were religion, feudal obligations and dynastic claims. Cersai murdered the pope, blew up the vatican and has no actual claim on the iron throne, she's actually 2nd in line for casterly rock at best. In terms of popular support Dany's got a slam dunk as "rightful queen returns to avenge pope."


EDIT-also anyone who isnt bat shit crazy who has to speak with Cersai for over ten minutes is going to want her off the throne.

 

[Spatula]

DA NORF REMEMBURS

Unless it's about keeping their promise to the person that dragged 100k people from across the globe to save your asses

 

[verissimus]

I've been thinking. Dany could have flown up to the Red Keep and roasted Cersei last season, ending the war in 20 minutes. That's what Olenna Tyrell told her, to be a dragon. Instead she listened to Tyrion and Jon and tried to be better and help the people. So she lost 2 children, her best friend, her most loyal companion, the Dothraki, and tons of the Unsullied. And then people like Sansa don't even give a shit.

If she really does go mad after this, I can hardly blame her.

Exactly. Which is why I couldn't give a crap if she's killed off. I so badly want it just for all the stupid decisions she's made and the all the time wasted following her dumbass.

The other thing is, there was no point whatsoever for her to treat with Cersei in season 7. She didn't even have an army (emphasis on army as opposed to navy) with which to help Jon and Danaerys fight the White Walkers. And even if she did, we know Cersei either would have captured them then and there when they were trying to "negotiate" with her or simply told them to piss off. They (team Jon) should have either killed Cersei or better yet take her hostage and pretty much force the realm to send troops North if they want her back, but no, characters can't make the most rational or even in-character decisions any more in this retarded show since at least that season.

Edit : While I'm at it, can we talk about how mind-numbingly stupid Tyrion has been since season 7 (and just to say he's also another character I've hated in the show along with a lot of others for a time) especially in regards to Cersei? Just think about not only who Cersei is but what she's done especially in relations to him. In season 2 during the Battle of Blackwater Bay she arranges to have a guard kill him in battle which in the very next season they clearly show the audience that Tyrion suspects Cersei had a hand in. Then in season 4 she does her damnest to not only have him blamed for Joffrey's death but also murdered for it. In season 5, we have a scene where she has pretty much put a bounty on her brother's head. So that's 3 seasons, 3 freaking seasons of attempts on her part to try to kill him, combine that with all the lies Cersei has engaged in (having an affair with her other brother which pretty much started the whole political infighting), all the people she's betrayed and murdered (her husband Robert, her uncle, her cousin who she also had an affair with if that wasn't bad enough, her temporary would be allies the Tyrells and the Sparrows), and Tyrion still trusts her? Especially after again betraying his, Jon, and Danaerys cause in season 7? Are you freaking kidding me. Like really, when I explain it like this, you'd think he'd be lolcow material. Screw Tyrion. Hope he dies too though I'm sure he won't. He and Danaerys deserve it.

 

[Mola Ram]

Yeah, can we talk about that? You're right, Cersei literally blew up the equivalent of the Pope and a major cathedral (I'd say the Vatican but iirc the center of the Faith of the Seven is in Oldtown; let's call the Sept of Baelor Notre Dame for comparison). And not just the people in the sept, we saw shots of random civilians getting killed by the blast. That should have major ramifications. Cersei literally committed a terrorist attack against the religion of Westeros (and most Westerosis are heavily religious, especially the smallfolk). And yet we're told that the people are totally fine with Cersei and aren't planning an uprising yet or anything. Cool.

The sept explosion, and the lack of any meaningful repercussions to it, is really the culmination of why the Sparrows storyline is yet another failure. It's not as egregious as most of the ones that followed it because it did have an appropriately dramatic payoff (Cersei gets the Iron Throne), and the explosion itself was so awesomely staged ("Light of the Seven" might be the best music in the entire score) that it papered over a lot of sins. But there are problems in that story that show just how hollow the story had become.

For the first four seasons, religion plays a relatively minor role. We see glimpses of it at weddings and funerals, we see the admonition against violating guest right (not sure if that's a strictly religious thing, but the punishment for it sure sounds divine), we see a few septs and septas and the High Septon get ripped apart by a starving crowd (wonder where those guys fucked off to the last couple of seasons), and we see a bit of the schism between the Seven and the Old Gods, but that's mostly good natured banter between Ned and Catelyn.

Come Season 5, and a fanatical cult has risen out of nowhere. We don't know anything about their beliefs or dogma beyond really obvious parallels to all the stereotypical things about fundies a couple of Hollywood screenwriters know they're supposed to condemn (Booze is evil! Sex is for procreation and women's pleasure is irrelevant! Kill the gays!). We have never seen how the religion operates on a day to day level, what its organization looks like, how powerful it really is on a temporal level. The whole thing about "the crown and the faith are the twin pillars that hold up the Realm" has never been uttered once in the entire series until the plot needs Tommen to knuckle under to the High Sparrow. The legal system is conveniently overhauled to a prior incarnation of it that, again, had never been hinted at just so Cersei can be denied a trial by combat. There's a fever of religious fanaticism gripping King's Landing, but so far as we can see it's not affecting any other part of the Seven Kingdoms, which makes one wonder what the hell is going on outside the walls of King's Landing when the Sparrows gain effective control of the city, or why anyone would treat Cersei as anything but a joke once she puts herself on the Throne.

But blowing up the sept took care of all of that, and returned things to enough of a status quo that Cersei won the game of thrones until she gets cacked by Daenerys or Jon or Arya. Other than Brother Ray (a genuinely great plot thread and one of the highlights of Season 6) we never see how the faith really affects people in day to day life. It was, yet again, just an obstacle for some of the main characters to overcome, and has no repercussions whatsoever.

What made this story so great was the unexpected fallout characters' bad decisions (or good decisions!) would lead to. Ned's honor getting him beheaded and kicking off a massive civil war; Robb's romantic streak leading to the Red Wedding and the Northern insurrection collapsing; Joffrey's casual cruelty leading to his own assassination. There was a chain of events going back to the first episode that was rewarding to follow and figure out. Now it's just episodic melodrama with emotionally manipulative crap that collapses under any scrutiny whatsoever.

TL;DR Mola Ram is a butthurt fanboy.

 

[Graffiti canvas]

Train wreck as the writing and plot has become, this has been a less talked about "WTF?"

Kings Landing - Seasons 1 -7

Kings Landing Season 8

Intro Map comparison. Seasons 1-7 left, Season 8 right

So the battle of Blackwater BAY never happened because Kings Landing now resides in an arid, landlocked geographical spot and didn't have a massive seaport and overhang built out into the BAY where the battle happened and was a major tactical point for one of the first major battles in the series on film?

Are we supposed to believe the two views overlooking Cersei's shoulder are supposed to be the same location? The fact you can make out the hole where the septum used to be kinda says you're supposed to believe it.

How the fuck you mess up the continuity of the geographical location of a major metropolis with hours of footage and major geographical plot history? That would be like half way through Fargo, it's suddenly 70 degrees with palm trees and no one notices.

 

[Mola Ram]

Train wreck as the writing and plot has become, this has been a less talked about "WTF?"

Kings Landing - Seasons 1 -7

Kings Landing Season 8

Into Map comparison. Seasons 1-7 left, Season 8 right

So the battle of blackwater never happened because Kings Landing now resides in an arid, landlocked geographical spot and didn't have a massive seaport and overhang into the bay?

Uhhh ... maybe the tide goes out during winter?

Would have been nice to have heard it before now if that is the case. Which it isn't. Because as the bots once told us, THEY JUST. DIDN'T. CARE.

 

[Graffiti canvas]

Uhhh ... maybe the tide goes out during winter?

Would have been nice to have heard it before now if that is the case. Which it isn't. Because as the bots once told us, THEY JUST. DIDN'T. CARE.

Ahh yes. The tides go out, and the mountains and trees sink into the earth for the winter. Of course. Makes perfect sense.

They really just do not give 2 fucks about this season and it's hilarious watching it skid into the same end of story gutter as Dexter and Lost. And doing it in such a fantastic, half assed way.

 

[дядя Боря]

They really just do not give 2 fucks about this season and it's hilarious watching it skid into the same end of story gutter as Dexter and Lost. And doing it in such a fantastic, half assed way.

I just watched the last episode last night and the number of people in all shots were fairly small, it's like they got barely 50 extras if that for the entire episode. I think that they ran out of money, not just this episode but the whole season. It took two years to make half a season, which also can explain why battle of winterfell was so dark, you don't need so many details or CGI work, and now they don't even need to animate three dragons, only one.

I'd love to know what's going on with HBO and funding. People presume that this was one of the most successful series and consequently most profitable, but success doesn't always mean profit, plus who knows if GRRM turned into Musk and demands paying billion$/year to continue. So far everyone is sperging about shitty writing, spoilers for the show. I'd rather find out what's going on in accounting there, how much $$$ they are racking with merch.

 

[samuraicrack]

This final season proves that Breaking Bad is still on top, faggots

 

[Mola Ram]

I just watched the last episode last night and the number of people in all shots were fairly small, it's like they got barely 50 extras if that for the entire episode. I think that they ran out of money, not just this episode but the whole season. It took two years to make half a season, which also can explain why battle of winterfell was so dark, you don't need so many details or CGI work, and now they don't even need to animate three dragons, only one.

I'd love to know what's going on with HBO and funding. People presume that this was one of the most successful series and consequently most profitable, but success doesn't always mean profit, plus who knows if GRRM turned into Musk and demands paying billion$/year to continue. So far everyone is sperging about shitty writing, spoilers for the show. I'd rather find out what's going on in accounting there, how much $$$ they are racking with merch.

That shot of Daenerys and a locker room's worth of Unsullied screams "budget cuts."

 

[Mola Ram]

This final season proves that Breaking Bad is still on top, faggots

 

[samuraicrack]

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Close second, Tone

 

[Graffiti canvas]

I just watched the last episode last night and the number of people in all shots were fairly small, it's like they got barely 50 extras if that for the entire episode. I think that they ran out of money, not just this episode but the whole season. It took two years to make half a season, which also can explain why battle of winterfell was so dark, you don't need so many details or CGI work, and now they don't even need to animate three dragons, only one.

I'd love to know what's going on with HBO and funding. People presume that this was one of the most successful series and consequently most profitable, but success doesn't always mean profit, plus who knows if GRRM turned into Musk and demands paying billion$/year to continue. So far everyone is sperging about shitty writing, spoilers for the show. I'd rather find out what's going on in accounting there, how much $$$ they are racking with merch.

I don't think it's much to do with money. HBO has been printing it for decades. They hold the licensing for some of the biggest paid TV IP's all the way back to the 90's. Hell, even before that they were the powerhouse cable subscription.

Considering they had the biggest budget ever for this season, I don't think you can pin this on a lack of money or say "hur.. no budget.", especially since the only thing that has eaten ANY of this budget up for this season was Eps 3. Eps 1,2 and 4 were primarily cast members sitting on a stage with no CGI or effects.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that they ran out of money at all.

I think they just quit trying and lost the professionalism and passion. Everyone from the writers on down to the fucking best boy lighting assistant seems to be phoning it in just cause "why not? It's the last season and we all wanna do different shit"

This final season proves that Breaking Bad is still on top, faggots

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[Zero0]

That shot of Daenerys and a locker room's worth of Unsullied screams "budget cuts."

But why, they go out of their way to show the dragons, surely that's where a big part of the budget is going to.
Hell last season these fuckers insisted on getting an undead polar bear.

I just can't see how this show is possibly on the red, and if anything making longer seasons would surely help with that?
I think it's just D&D that want to move on.

 

[Cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/blqsdn/dd_are_interviewed_after_episode_4_airs_to/
This gif is amazing, please click the link.

 

[Grand Lunar]

Train wreck as the writing and plot has become, this has been a less talked about "WTF?"

Kings Landing - Seasons 1 -7

Kings Landing Season 8

Intro Map comparison. Seasons 1-7 left, Season 8 right

So the battle of Blackwater BAY never happened because Kings Landing now resides in an arid, landlocked geographical spot and didn't have a massive seaport and overhang built out into the BAY where the battle happened and was a major tactical point for one of the first major battles in the series on film?

Are we supposed to believe the two views overlooking Cersei's shoulder are supposed to be the same location? The fact you can make out the hole where the septum used to be kinda says you're supposed to believe it.

How the fuck you mess up the continuity of the geographical location of a major metropolis with hours of footage and major geographical plot history? That would be like half way through Fargo, it's suddenly 70 degrees with palm trees and no one notices.

The episode 5 preview does show Euron's fleet out in the bay, though the inconsistencies still look very weird.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Train wreck as the writing and plot has become, this has been a less talked about "WTF?"

Kings Landing - Seasons 1 -7

Kings Landing Season 8

Intro Map comparison. Seasons 1-7 left, Season 8 right

So the battle of Blackwater BAY never happened because Kings Landing now resides in an arid, landlocked geographical spot and didn't have a massive seaport and overhang built out into the BAY where the battle happened and was a major tactical point for one of the first major battles in the series on film?

Are we supposed to believe the two views overlooking Cersei's shoulder are supposed to be the same location? The fact you can make out the hole where the septum used to be kinda says you're supposed to believe it.

How the fuck you mess up the continuity of the geographical location of a major metropolis with hours of footage and major geographical plot history? That would be like half way through Fargo, it's suddenly 70 degrees with palm trees and no one notices.

The Night's King caused incredible global cooling that made sea levels drop by hundreds of feet, obviously.

 

[дядя Боря]

Considering they had the biggest budget ever for this season, I don't think you can pin this on a lack of money or say "hur.. no budget.", especially since the only thing that has eaten ANY of this budget up for this season was Eps 3. Eps 1,2 and 4 were primarily cast members sitting on a stage with no CGI or effects.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that they ran out of money at all.

Money isn't always spent on makeup, CGI and sets. I don't know what contracts are or what GRRM is getting. Executives themselves are part of the equation, who knows which parachutes they got.

When Jodorovky was filming Dune, he wanted Pablo Picasso (yeah, that one) to play the emperor. Pablo demanded 1million/hour. So they shot 6min scene with him and writers had to accommodate that into script somehow. The moral is that very often the $$$ are driving the script more than creativity of the writers.

So far, Cersei has been wearing the same fucking dress all season long, I feel so sad that I wanted to lend her some shit. Last episode makeup was pathetic, everyone had one (1, uno, odin) token hurt on their face. Dragons are not new work either, most investment into it is already done. I am not seeing all the sheckels here. I'm trying to put monetary value on each episode and I don't see where the money went. You can film half of that episode with a bunch of weekend larpers, no joke. Fucking feast room was just fucking sad.

I don't know, may be in the last episode nakid GRRM rides on gold plated Obama and fucks Trump in ass while grabbing pussy. I just haven't seen the same splendor or dress, makeup or new CGI as in some previous seasons. How the fuck this short season is so expensive, I don't know, not even if everyone is snorting cocaine with diamonds all day long.