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This A-historical perspective on a novel whose expressed desire is to be more "Historically Accurate" is why I can't take him seriously
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And When Frodo and company met Aragorn is almost 90 years old and fought in multiple wars together with armies of armies of Rohan and Gondor against foces of Sauron's Allies.
Assisted Gandalf with various things. And as Chieftain of Dunedain he and his people defended North-western part of Middle earth from Orcs and other servants of Sauron. Guy did lot of things before events of Lotr books.
This is really funny, because in the books Aragorn spent most of his adult life working towards becoming king of Gondor, because Elrond told him if he wants to marry his daughter he must become King first.
And When Frodo and company met Aragorn is almost 90 years old and fought in multiple wars together with armies of armies of Rohan and Gondor against foces of Sauron's Allies.
Assisted Gandalf with various things. And as Chieftain of Dunedain he and his people defended North-western part of Middle earth from Orcs and other servants of Sauron. Guy did lot of things before events of Lotr books.
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If they first go with the original Hedge Knight tales and then develop it further into Egg's life, it could be decent, provided they follow it up with some much-needed nuance. Something I highly doubt they'd follow, but still.
Later when Egg grows up and becomes King Aegon V by pure chance (his older brothers Daeron and Aerion died and Aemon preferred taking the black than being a pawn in the Game of Thrones), he basically becomes your typical leftist governor, good-intentioned but incredibly incompetent, despite being loved by the masses.
The last advice Aemon gave to him before shipping himself to the Wall was the famous "kill the boy and let the man be born" quote, which essentially meant that whatever naïve ideas he had in his youth should be scraped out, because he was about to play the big game of power, and the fact he sat on the Iron Throne would definitely not save him from being backstabbed at a moment's notice for whatever reason.
Sadly, he doesn't heed this advice and promptly turns Westeros into a welfare state, giving out "exceeding" profits from merchants and lords to the smallfolk. This obviously pisses the upper class off, but the only argument they use against it is "those are our Gods-given monies". He gave his political enemies the rope to hang him with, due to him clinging to the naïve idea that the poor just need short-term extra income to be happy, based on his own observations as a child. When he dies under shady circumstances during a fire that broke out in Summerhall (during which Dunk also dies), it's quite clear he got plotted against, but the culprits are never revealed. At the very least, he let his kids marry whoever they wanted. Irony of ironies, the next in line to the Iron Throne would be Jaeharys II, who actually married his own sister Shaera. They sired the future Mad King Aerys and the rest, as they say, it is known.
The last advice Aemon gave to him before shipping himself to the Wall was the famous "kill the boy and let the man be born" quote, which essentially meant that whatever naïve ideas he had in his youth should be scraped out, because he was about to play the big game of power, and the fact he sat on the Iron Throne would definitely not save him from being backstabbed at a moment's notice for whatever reason.
Sadly, he doesn't heed this advice and promptly turns Westeros into a welfare state, giving out "exceeding" profits from merchants and lords to the smallfolk. This obviously pisses the upper class off, but the only argument they use against it is "those are our Gods-given monies". He gave his political enemies the rope to hang him with, due to him clinging to the naïve idea that the poor just need short-term extra income to be happy, based on his own observations as a child. When he dies under shady circumstances during a fire that broke out in Summerhall (during which Dunk also dies), it's quite clear he got plotted against, but the culprits are never revealed. At the very least, he let his kids marry whoever they wanted. Irony of ironies, the next in line to the Iron Throne would be Jaeharys II, who actually married his own sister Shaera. They sired the future Mad King Aerys and the rest, as they say, it is known.
Matter of fact, I don't know why they'd go with the Dance of Dragons situation for a spin-off, when the tales of Aegon's Conquest and the False Spring are more interesting.
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That slave was a house tutor for one of the Ghiscari noble families. His life was a lot more comfortable than the slaves involved in construction or prostitution or ditch digging. He had an education, a relatively comfortable home, and the respect of his superior's children, and then he ended up in what amounted to a homeless shelter as an old man with no defense.
The way the slaves are treated in Essos, especially in Slaver's Bay and Volantis is beyond ridiculous. The population of slaves is something like eighty percent total. I'm sorry, but there was no slave society in history that had that sort of ratio. That's literally a bubbling explosion every single day. The fact the Old Blood of Volantis and noble families of slaver's bay have literally no defense except the most mercurial of mercenaries and some freemen militias just means they should have been slaughtered ages before Daenerys showed up.
Combine that with the almost comically gratuitous way they are treated, and this ruling class ought to be rotting in gutters. Without needing Dany to inspire them.
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Fans are deluded if they think the fat fuck will be finishing the book series. Watch when he dies. Fans are going to to convince themselves that the ending would have been a master peace and only if the old fuck hadn't died.
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Noooo, you don't understand, they have an elite cadre of enslaved battle eunuchs, because castration doesn't cause low muscle mass and aggression and armed slaves have never been a recipe for disaster. This is realistic fantasy guys, not like that stupid stuff about spiders and the moon that that British guy wrote.
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What was Gregor Clegane's tax policy?
Why did Tywin genocide half a continent and burn crops in the wake of winter?
Why did Roose allow Ramsay to murder all of Winterfell's commoners, or take them as prisoners to be cartoonishly tortured, when the supplies are almost GONE, and there's no one left to work the land, again IN THE WAKE OF WINTER
Why did Tywin genocide half a continent and burn crops in the wake of winter?
Why did Roose allow Ramsay to murder all of Winterfell's commoners, or take them as prisoners to be cartoonishly tortured, when the supplies are almost GONE, and there's no one left to work the land, again IN THE WAKE OF WINTER
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A bargain bucket with lots of gravy.
He was still pissed that the ripcord on his cyberwang snapped.
He didn't want to see his girlfriend's weird hips again.
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Really the whole Essos worldbuilding is absolute garbage. The fact that even if we get Winds, Dany will spend most of the book in that poorly written excuse for a continent is teeth grindingly terrible in itself.
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Dany AND Arya. Braavos might be less embarrassing than Slaver's Bay, but it's still an utter chore to slog through her chapters in ADWD and, if going by currently released content, it's only going to get worse.
Though I unironically think the negative reception to Mercy by GRRM's butt-buddies in the Sci-Fi & Fantasy publishing clique is a big factor in what got Winds of Winter set aside in favor of all these side projects. He's admitted he's rewriting a substantial portion of his finished pages, and a lot of it is surely sanitizing the Arya storyline.
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IICR, the eunuchs are used mostly as fancy guardsmen rather than for combat. They are fighting for Dany because they want to.
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The Unsullied did fight against the Dothraki once and held a city with like 3,000 versus 20,000 or some absurd number. But GRRM can always handwave that away and say it was more myth than history. But they are described as soldiers in the books and are trained for war. There is just hardly ever major war in Essos compared to Westeros. Even some of the larger mercenary companies in Essos travel to Westeros to get involved in battles.
The reason for there not being a lot of grand conflict in Essos is likely to do with GRRM not having time to expand the scope of the novels. Like imagine if we spent two or three books watching various factions fight in Essos from the time of the first AGOT chapter up until now. And he spent entire books worldbuilding the conflicts of various Essos groups and cities. And there were Essos POV chapters detailing the various wars and battles there.
GRRM basically has Essos be almost like a video game area out of something like Skyrim or Fallout. Where nothing happens in those areas until the main character comes and wreaks havoc.
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Good point, it really only works when showing how bad are the Peasants in Westeros are treated. Plus it's almost certainely a "IRAQ WAR BAD" argument that simps for Saddam's bloody regime.
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Lol, nobody thinks George will publish TWOW at this point.
At best, he’s gonna croak, and a book called The Winds of Winter will be published posthumously that somebody will attempt to cobble together from whatever notes he left behind.
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I can't wait for Snow. Not watching the show but microwaving popcorn to enjoy the shitshow from how angry it makes everyone. It's going to be completely nonsensical.
If it's set beyond the wall what is going to happen there? All of the Wildlings pretty much got turned into zombies so I don't expect there to be much interesting going on since all the others are dead.
I don't want to revisit Westeros and deal with the omniscient and immortal cripple Bran, having a god weirwood character ruins the story for me.
I saw some speculation on Twitter that some people think that Kit Harrington will somehow save GOT from it's last season which is pretty funny to me. You can't save it, it's dead. All the interesting characters are dead, there are a bunch of unanswered questions, locations we don't know shit about and prophecy misdirects but LOL I guess they didn't matter so who cares? The post-apocalyptic event already happened and we won't even get to properly see the aftermath from beyond the wall or from the POV of Jon Snow who was exiled from Westeros.
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The spin-off is the unofficial 9th season and they are going to try to revive the series by pandering hard.
Problem is no one cares anymore and no way this succeeds.
Problem is no one cares anymore and no way this succeeds.
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I was going to say are even other Stark cast members on board with this. What would the plot even be? Daenerys being resurrected and wreaking unholy vengeance? Arya is going west, Bran is king, and sansa queen of the norf-i find it hard to believe any of their actors would come back for what would be a cheap attempt to revive HBO's flagging subscriptions. Much less Peter Dinklage, or any of the older actors.
(Which is...sort of possible, given Sam is about to say Vola... before being cut off)-and Daenerys' body is taken away intact. Red priestess' magic is an easy way to make it happen. But why?
That's about the only plot thread I can see that could be followed up on. But I seriously doubt Emilia Clarke would come back for it, unless she is equally desperate.
What about the CGI-if nothing else late season GOT was a visual spectacle, are they going to invest the same resources into a sequel? Why would casual audiences settle for some guys walking around in the woods?
It just seems like such a waste, and only exists to save HBO's subscription numbers and give the actors who are likely out of work something to do for a few years. It also reveals a total lack of confidence in any prequel show or other "planetos universe" product.
I mean...not to mention impinging on the dignity and finality of the ending(whatever little if any it had-at least let the show rest) also. Who is the antagonist going to be? What is the plot? Kit Harrington meandering around for a few seasons to get a steady paycheck?
(Which is...sort of possible, given Sam is about to say Vola... before being cut off)-and Daenerys' body is taken away intact. Red priestess' magic is an easy way to make it happen. But why?
That's about the only plot thread I can see that could be followed up on. But I seriously doubt Emilia Clarke would come back for it, unless she is equally desperate.
What about the CGI-if nothing else late season GOT was a visual spectacle, are they going to invest the same resources into a sequel? Why would casual audiences settle for some guys walking around in the woods?
It just seems like such a waste, and only exists to save HBO's subscription numbers and give the actors who are likely out of work something to do for a few years. It also reveals a total lack of confidence in any prequel show or other "planetos universe" product.
I mean...not to mention impinging on the dignity and finality of the ending(whatever little if any it had-at least let the show rest) also. Who is the antagonist going to be? What is the plot? Kit Harrington meandering around for a few seasons to get a steady paycheck?
"bold creative direction"-how much does HBO pay that writer?
Stab You in the Back
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My guess is that they're going to reuse a lot of concepts from the failed Long Night prequel series.
Other concepts:
Grey Turd hunts down Jon beyond the Wall and they become buddies and go on adventures together.
Ghost Ygritte gives Jon a mission.
Jon just goes south of the Wall because lol his brother is king and who gives a shit at this point?
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Makes you think though. People claim Harringtons alcohol problems are due to the show. But he enjoyed the show, he has a role in the MCU, he's done theatre and other movies.
And doing a Thrones show is what he wants to do.
And doing a Thrones show is what he wants to do.