Game of Thrones Thread

Another deep thought: if as some are saying in this thread are saying, George R.R. Martin stinks, did the show ruin his books, or improve them to form an interesting if divisive drama?

How did this happen?
The problem with the books predate the show. The bigger issue is that George R.R. Martin is a worthless goon, and the second he had the ability to procrastinate and turn in half-assed work (Fire and Blood, "consulting" on the new shows, etc.), he took it and never looked back.

I don't blame him because I'd probably do the same thing in his position, but that doesn't mean I like it.
 
How much of the ending are they even going to respect?

Jon is technically in exile and serving a sentence for regicide. He legally can't come south(albeit who is going to stop him beyond his own conscience?), Arya is on the high seas, and explicitly said she wasn't coming back, Gendry is in the stormlands-a region the show entirely forgot about until the end, and so on.

They could easily just overwrite a lot of this for plot convenience, and next to no one would care.
 
How much of the ending are they even going to respect?

Jon is technically in exile and serving a sentence for regicide. He legally can't come south(albeit who is going to stop him beyond his own conscience?), Arya is on the high seas, and explicitly said she wasn't coming back, Gendry is in the stormlands-a region the show entirely forgot about until the end, and so on.

They could easily just overwrite a lot of this for plot convenience, and next to no one would care.
Sending Jon to the wall is a face saving compromise allowing Daenerys' army to get on a boat and fuck off. Jons family know that all he ever wanted was to be a ranger in the Nights Watch. It's not a punishment.

We don't know what Harrington is planning and we may never see it. Could be a pure Wildlings and/or Wall show, rather than bringing back all the cast for a Revenge of The Undead Khaleesi show.

The problem with the books predate the show. The bigger issue is that George R.R. Martin is a worthless goon, and the second he had the ability to procrastinate and turn in half-assed work (Fire and Blood, "consulting" on the new shows, etc.), he took it and never looked back.

I don't blame him because I'd probably do the same thing in his position, but that doesn't mean I like it.

GRRM painted himself in a corner so it is hard to move the story forward. He cannot / will not plan and work from an outline, or switch to skipping forward in time.

He's gotten lots of work done since 2011, just not the work only people who have read the books want to see. That infuriates some, but maybe shows based on his other books, friends books etc. will provide more entertainment to more people than finishing ASOIAF. The people who did not like the shows ending would probably not like the book ending.
 
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I honestly did like that Daenerys' resurrection being implied was a thing-its a good bit of ambiguous foreboding to end the series on. You can imagine her being resurrected by Kinvara and the priests in Volantis or Drogon burying her in the great grass sea.

Whether or not it was intended is unclear. (Matt Bellamy-one of the singer/promoters did a song called pray that mentions "bringing her back" before the show ended, and Sam definitely is about to say "Volantis" before being cut off), maybe I'm reaching.

So there isn't entirely a lack of sequel hooks.

Not sure what the point would be, beyond giving the audience something to chew on.
 
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(Which is...sort of possible, given Sam is about to say Vola... before being cut off)-and Daenerys' body is taken away intact. Red priestess' magic is an easy way to make it happen. But why?

That's about the only plot thread I can see that could be followed up on. But I seriously doubt Emilia Clarke would come back for it, unless she is equally desperate.
I'm not sure if Melisandre was supposed to be a really powerful witch but if she could bring back Jon Snow then I'm sure that it's not impossible for other red priestesses to bring back Daenarys. I definitely do not think that Emilia Clarke would want to reprise her role as female fantasy dragon hitler though and if they did bring her back it's not as if you can give her character redemption.

I honestly have no idea what this show is going to be about what a shit show!
 
I could see Emilia coming back if she genuinely is out of work and has no gigs lined up-and her career is looking like a dead end. Having her come back a villain, that is-she'd demand loads of money for her trouble, but none of the GOT cast seems to have done too well honestly (except the older more experienced actors).
 
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I'm not sure if Melisandre was supposed to be a really powerful witch but if she could bring back Jon Snow then I'm sure that it's not impossible for other red priestesses to bring back Daenarys.
In the books it is implied that she has no power beyond blood magic or blood sacrifice. And that she is a fraud. In the fifth book she is using hidden powders literally up her sleeve like a magician. And in second (third?) book it is heavily implied that when she has Stannis throw the leeches in the fire, that she has had a vision of the usurper kings dying, and so she makes it seem to Stannis like her leech magic was the cause of their deaths. But Balon, Robb, and Joffrey all die for other reasons. She also wears a glamor on her necklace that makes her look younger when she is really very old.

But power levels and consistency basically do not exist in the ASOIAF and GOT worlds.
 
Another deep thought: if as some are saying in this thread are saying, George R.R. Martin stinks, did the show ruin his books, or improve them to form an interesting if divisive drama?

How did this happen?
Basically the books are fine as long as you never think too much about them besides a few plot points. But once the book series died and the show became popular with crowds of faggots constantly talking about it, all the cracks start appearing and that slowly drain the series from likeability.
 
The spin-off is the unofficial 9th season and they are going to try to revive the series by pandering hard.

Problem is no one cares anymore and no way this succeeds.
This is where I fall. I used to be a huge GoT fan, but once they killed off Littlefinger in that fashion I lost all interest. Used to watch old episodes, but now I have no interest in anything GoT. Think it’s going to bomb tbh people have moved on.
 
GoT fell off the radar as soon as it ended. It has some pop culture inertia still, which will get people to show up to the new show. But with the books never being finished. The new show will probably be meh at best. This is a finished franchise.
 
Tolkien only finished 2 books.

Silmarrilion etc. are really more books by his son, who says he assembled it from notes, but but whatever happened it was more than an edit or filling in some blanks.

Rings of Power vs. House of the Dragon - let them fight. Neither are based on truly detailed stories by the novelists. We shall see whether the screenwriters came up with good stories.
 
It just seems like such a waste, and only exists to save HBO's subscription numbers and give the actors who are likely out of work something to do for a few years. It also reveals a total lack of confidence in any prequel show or other "planetos universe" product.
If anybody at HBO has any brains they have to know that the final season effectively killed one of the single most profitable I.P.s in current production. That's a massive loss, at that point, do you stand to gain more from doing a hasty sequel that 'fixes' the finale -- damn the budget -- or not? I'd say, it'd probably be worth it in the long run for them, especially with twenty other spinoffs in the can and George twiddling his thumbs and making a fat ass of himself on social media.

There might not be much to work with, but a hasty walk-back wouldn't necessarily go bad with the fans. Basically make it a proper Long Night. The NK didn't really die, more zombie stuff, just sort of repeat all that squandered Winter is Coming shit and you could maybe get some people back on board. It's risky, but when your golden goose is sick and dying, isn't it worth forking over thousands in the hopes of getting some more solid-gold eggs?
Jon just goes south of the Wall because lol his brother is king and who gives a shit at this point?
Bran gets visions of a real long night and sends an order to release Jon of his vows and come to King's Landing to prepare for THE REAL LONG NIGHT. Pretty much fanfiction tier but it can't be worse than anything else they make at this point so fuck it I guess. If they wanted, they could basically make it Game of Thrones : Apocalypse and tap into a little of that Walking Dead action.

Zombies showing up, ice spiders, the whole of Westeros got completely fucked in the war so there's little food and resources to prepare, turning people against themselves. It's all there, it's not very interesting, but it's there.
 
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If anybody at HBO has any brains they have to know that the final season effectively killed one of the single most profitable I.P.s in current production. That's a massive loss, at that point, do you stand to gain more from doing a hasty sequel that 'fixes' the finale -- damn the budget -- or not? I'd say, it'd probably be worth it in the long run for them, especially with twenty other spinoffs in the can and George twiddling his thumbs and making a fat ass of himself on social media.

There might not be much to work with, but a hasty walk-back wouldn't necessarily go bad with the fans. Basically make it a proper Long Night. The NK didn't really die, more zombie stuff, just sort of repeat all that squandered Winter is Coming shit and you could maybe get some people back on board. It's risky, but when your golden goose is sick and dying, isn't it worth forking over thousands in the hopes of getting some more solid-gold eggs?

Bran gets visions of a real long night and sends an order to release Jon of his vows and come to King's Landing to prepare for THE REAL LONG NIGHT. Pretty much fanfiction tier but it can't be worse than anything else they make at this point so fuck it I guess. If they wanted, they could basically make it Game of Thrones : Apocalypse and tap into a little of that Walking Dead action.

Zombies showing up, ice spiders, the whole of Westeros got completely fucked in the war so there's little food and resources to prepare, turning people against themselves. It's all there, it's not very interesting, but it's there.
Yeah but think of the expense and spectacle. Maybe that would work if they were willing to sink half a billion dollars in it, but are they really going to throw those sorts of resources into this? Big battles, cinematics, etc...

Not to mention the cast-who exactly are they going to bribe to come back for this? Are they going to replace actors that simply say "no"?
 
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