Game of Thrones Thread

[That Chris Guy]

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Obviously sarcasm. Nobody is this stupid.

Edit : Seriously, why was Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington so foolish to even bother criticizing the whole petition/fan backlash anyway when 1) almost any and all fan backlashes is rarely ever directed at the crew or the actors but at the top (writers, director, and producers) and 2) they had to have also known that a significant proportion of fans haven't been happy at the quality (or rather lack thereof) of the writers/show runners work since at least the previous season. Are they really that naive or is it misguided loyalty for them to back Benioff and Weiss?

I took Sophie Turner's interview as, "Now listen to me, you filthy peasants! You're not allowed to have an opinion about my work, your only purpose in life is to give me money! Now shut up and submit!"

Of course, I might be blending her with the character she plays too.

He ended up married to castle cutie rose lesly, can't really feel sorry for him

"b-b-boot shae's muh kween!"

 

[Lemmingwise]

Obviously sarcasm. Nobody is this stupid.

I think you need to mïlk möre cows at the farm if you believe that.

 

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Well, I just hope they get better writers for next year's season...

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...oh wait.

 

[OttoWest]

The actors are all going to play nice through Emmy season. The backlash is actually benefiting Clarke the most as people feel sorry for her and the shit sandwich put on her plate. She’s doing a good job with handling the reaction. Turner, on the other hand, still has her X-Men flop to promote, so she’s doing herself no favors not being neutral or just shutting up about it, though I’ve no doubt HBO PR is pushing for some of the actors to defend the season, especially the ones with a big social media presence.

You're missing something about the show's version of Jamie. He was filled with self-loathing, about the man he used to be and the things he had done. He became more introspective after being crippled, and a lot of that was due to his friendship with Brienne. He loved and respected her, not in small part for her almost naive moral purity, and I think ultimately he felt the potential of happiness with her was much better than he deserved. And that she didn't deserve to be saddled with a man like him.

So when he heard his sister was (essentially) going to die, he made the decision to punish himself by denying himself happiness and returning, symbolically, to his shameful past to die with Cersei. All that talk about being just as hateful as her was pure self-loathing.

And, of course, he loved Cersei, too. Both as a brother and as a lover. As sick as it is, there probably isn't a non-incest relationship that can compare to that kind of bond.

So he "saves" Brienne the fate of being with a monster, returns to someone he loves eternally in spite of how awful she is, and he punishes and destroys himself by doing so. Perfect for someone who hates himself.

Should this turn have been given more time to play out onscreen? (And it wouldn't have taken much, maybe one more scene.) Sure, but that goes for everything in the rushed final season. Overall, Jamie had one of the more competent arcs of the non-book seasons IMO.

When D&D were claiming Jaime was “addicted” to Cersei in their idiotic behind-the-scenes vid for the fourth ep (the one where he leaves Brienne), I had to stop and think about if this was really their long-planned intention, or just some dumb, reductive way for his arc to make sense after the fact. Did anyone feel like they were watching the story of an addict? Or of a doomed romantic love? I never got that.

D&D truncated Jaime’s story to boost the character of Cersei. There’s just no other reason for it. It’s kinda sad listening to Nikolaj interviews back when he finally left her at the end of season 7 cause the guy was legit excited and happy to finally be out of her orbit. He’s been pretty candid about his struggles with the writers and his character arc over the years, so I’d bet there was frustration with how things turned out.

 

[Lemmingwise]

When D&D were claiming Jaime was “addicted” to Cersei in their idiotic behind-the-scenes vid for the fourth ep (the one where he leaves Brienne), I had to stop and think about if this was really their long-planned intention, or just some dumb, reductive way for his arc to make sense after the fact. Did anyone feel like they were watching the story of an addict? Or of a doomed romantic love? I never got that.

D&D truncated Jaime’s story to boost the character of Cersei. There’s just no other reason for it. It’s kinda sad listening to Nikolaj interviews back when he finally left her at the end of season 7 cause the guy was legit excited and happy to finally be out of her orbit. He’s been pretty candid about his struggles with the writers and his character arc over the years, so I’d bet there was frustration with how things turned out.

hehe yeah, the show runners did a lot of typical jewy stuff where they'd have fake scenes where actors thought they had to have some nudity or shave their hair and then it turned out it wasn't the case. Nikolaj was fed up with it at one point and said that understood their intent to change the hair, but that he had final say over the Jaime character and sent them a photo of a buzzcut from a couple of years back and pretended he had just made it and explained in a long letter why he thought Jaime's change in character should be with short hair.

The showrunners panicked with the shoots coming up in a couple of weeks and sent a lawsuit against him for breach of contract.

 

[Polyboros2]

Well, I just hope they get better writers for next year's season...

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...oh wait.

It's probably completely impossible worth such a large cast and contacts ended, but it'd probably be in HBO's best interest to immediately nullify this season and try again.

It's dumb, they shouldn't of let this happen, and they probably would only win back half of those who left. However, it'd be interesting to see them try, otherwise (and mostly likely what they'll do) they'll just watch this huge successful property of their die.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I've noticed a lot of "entitled" talk coming along. I think the PR machine is spinning fit to burst. After all, that's the usual line that's taken in the event of a fan backlash.

I was on r/freefolk earlier and found a link to a fan written script for Series 8 by a person calling themselves Alice Shipwise. Was started about a year ago and done a few scenes at a time. And it's better than the writing in the real series 8. I have to say, if fanfic is better than your actual work, you may want to consider a career change.

Personally, I hope someone adapts Joe Abercrombie's The First Law series. I think a lot of GOT alumni could do quite well in that. Certainly, Richard Madden as Black Dow, Mackenzie Crook as the Dogman, Emilia Clark as Carlot dan Eider, Anton Lesser as Castor Morveer, Rose Leslie as Shylo Vitari, Kit Harington as Major West, Kristen Nairn as Practical Frost, that bloke who played Dolorous Edd as Practical Severard. However for the main characters I'd cast people not involved with this. Maybe Anthony Buchan as Sand dan Glokta, Freema Agyeman as Ferro Maljinn, Sam Claflin as Jezal dan Luthar, Bryan Cranston as Bayaz. No idea who'd play Logen Ninefingers though. Got to be someone who can act, is older, and is huge physically.

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It's probably completely impossible worth such a large cast and contacts ended, but it'd probably be in HBO's best interest to immediately nullify this season and try again.

It's dumb, they shouldn't of let this happen, and they probably would only win back half of those who left. However, it'd be interesting to see them try, otherwise (and mostly likely what they'll do) they'll just watch this huge successful property of their die.

They won't. Sunk cost fallacy. You do over, you send very bad signals. People will be turning off in droves and advertisers will be loath to be associated with a failure.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Well they are releasing a documentary to try and justify this heaping shitpile they threw on the world.

It's just in time for memorial day, when we celebrate that Game of Thrones was good once upon a time and got killed by shitty hacks and an author who clearly trolled them with a fake ending.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Well they are releasing a documentary to try and justify this heaping shitpile they threw on the world.

It's just in time for memorial day, when we celebrate that Game of Thrones was good once upon a time and got killed by shitty hacks and an author who clearly trolled them with a fake ending.

I bet you any money all the actors have got some sort of auto-extension clause in their contracts to oblige them to participate in this and say Nice Things about the last series. Then they can have their PR guys say, "well clearly people who work in the industry thought it was good, didn't they? Didn't they?"

 

[Polyboros2]

I've noticed a lot of "entitled" talk coming along. I think the PR machine is spinning fit to burst. After all, that's the usual line that's taken in the event of a fan backlash.

I was on r/freefolk earlier and found a link to a fan written script for Series 8 by a person calling themselves Alice Shipwise. Was started about a year ago and done a few scenes at a time. And it's better than the writing in the real series 8. I have to say, if fanfic is better than your actual work, you may want to consider a career change.

Personally, I hope someone adapts Joe Abercrombie's The First Law series. I think a lot of GOT alumni could do quite well in that. Certainly, Richard Madden as Black Dow, Mackenzie Crook as the Dogman, Emilia Clark as Carlot dan Eider, Anton Lesser as Castor Morveer, Rose Leslie as Shylo Vitari, Kit Harington as Major West, Kristen Nairn as Practical Frost, that bloke who played Dolorous Edd as Practical Severard. However for the main characters I'd cast people not involved with this. Maybe Anthony Buchan as Sand dan Glokta, Freema Agyeman as Ferro Maljinn, Sam Claflin as Jezal dan Luthar, Bryan Cranston as Bayaz. No idea who'd play Logen Ninefingers though. Got to be someone who can act, is older, and is huge physically.

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They won't. Sunk cost fallacy. You do over, you send very bad signals. People will be turning off in droves and advertisers will be loath to be associated with a failure.

Oh I know they won't, I just think it'd be interesting if they tried. They do this sort of think a lot, he'll that's what the new Terminator is, it's just usually well past the point of anyone caring.

Mark my words, Disney will do it with the Star Wars sequels, they'll probably remake the OT(but tacitly keep the PT Canon by having an older McGregor reprise Obi-Wan), then adapt George Lucas' sequel trilogy.

 

[John Titor]

Lore question: There was a bunch of other Brans than this one, shouldn't he be the 21st of his name or something?

 

[Secret Asshole]

I bet you any money all the actors have got some sort of auto-extension clause in their contracts to oblige them to participate in this and say Nice Things about the last series. Then they can have their PR guys say, "well clearly people who work in the industry thought it was good, didn't they? Didn't they?"

The thing is they had to know about this backlash, because once the spoilers leaked everyone went, 'pfft, that's re.tarded, no.' They were out for a fucking year. Nobody believed it. But then:

So they had to know this was coming. They are self aware, as there was no 'inside the episode' for the fucking finale because Dumb Cunt and Dumber Cunt got the ever-living shit mocked out of them. I would bet money these two egotistical fags got their feelings hurt and asked HBO to pull it. 'X Kinda Forgot' is going to follow them the rest of their fucking careers. Somehow they think this 'documentary' (clearly a documentary and totally not a PR piece for the disaster this season was) will make people go: "SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE WORKED SO HARD ON IT. FEEL BAD NOW, OK. FEEL BAD PLEASE". They're trying to act like you paid this artist for this wonderful piece and all it is is something sculpted out of his own shit he worked on for 10,000 hours and wasted your money on. I don't give a fuck how hard you worked on it, you still gave me a bunch of shit. You dumb, moronic faggots.

Its only going to add fuel to the fire, because whatever dumb shit they try to justify Season 8 with is going to be memed to fuck and back. If the actors badly act trying to justify how this season went, it will be mocked.

I wouldn't be surprised if they cut out the entirety of the actors and don't even mention the finale. This 'documentary' is pure damage control, because the hate of the ending of GoT is actually fucking universal. Everyone hates it. Not disappointing, outright loathing to the point of mocking.

Lore question: There was a bunch of other Brans than this one, shouldn't he be the 21st of his name or something?

"We kinda forgot about all the Brans and his ability to time travel."

 

[frozenrunner]

Sounds good, just remember you need to suck Harvey Weinstein's cock.

> tfw you will never be in Harvey Weinstein's position, so rich morality doesn't matter and getting hot actress tail

As I said earlier in the thread, if they had put in just one scene of a few commoners reacting in a distrustful or resentful way it would have helped sell it.

They didn't have time. They had to use that screentime to show Obama Grey Worm and Whatshername being rejected by RACISTS.

 

[Mammamia in Naziland]

I've seen no one reported the rumors that have been circulating about hasty re-writes of the last episode because of Emilia Clarke was pissed about the heel-turn of Daenerys.
Basically, here:

Q&A: ‘Game of Thrones’: Daenerys actress Emilia Clarke was unsure about the finale. She called her mom

Note to readers: This article contains a spoiler about the series finale of “Game of Thrones.”

www.latimes.com

Q:The Daenerys we see in that last scene feels like the woman we’ve known for years, not the person who just murdered thousands of innocent people.
A: I just wanted the audience to have a little reminder of who she was in the beginning. And I wanted that kind of justice for her, if I’m really honest. I wanted the person that he kills to not be a tyrannical dictator. It should just be a girl. It should be a human thing. And I think there’s an enormous amount of that person left. She’s had every opportunity to recover from what happened in King’s Landing. There’s a certain amount of her that thinks she’ll recover from it and everything will then just carry on.

Because she herself admits she cannot separate the critics of the character from those of her as a person (source: https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/19/game-thrones-finale-interview-emilia-clarke/):

Yet Clarke also had another, more personal reaction to Dany’s meltdown. “I have my own feelings [about the storyline] and it’s peppered with my feelings about myself,” she admits. “It’s gotten to that point now where you read [comments about] the character you [have to remind yourself], ‘They’re not talking about you, Emilia, they’re talking about the character.”

I read the scripts and [...] then I asked my mom and brother really weird questions. They were like: ‘What are you asking us this for? What do you mean do I think Daenerys is a good person? Why are you asking us that question? Why do you care what people think of Daenerys? Are you okay?’”
“And I’m all: ‘I’m fine! … But is there anything Daenerys could do that would make you hate her?’”

And she got too comfy with the mindless 'yaaas kweeen slaaaay' praise she got these past few years, now she's a champion of the wumminz!!1!:

Emilia then recalled how she desperately wanted Beyoncé to still like her after seeing the ending of Game of Thrones. "And all I wanted to scream was ‘Please, please still like me even though my character turns into a mass-killing dictator! Please still think that I’m representing women in a really fabulous way.’ I was just, like, Oh, my God, my absolute idol in life is saying that she likes me, and I know for a fact that by the end of this season she’s going to hate me."

(source: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/ent...rke-worried-beyonce-hate-her-game-of-thrones/)

So now she's trying to parrot the woke buzzwords: this round it's the evergreen "Misoginy!" Re: Jon:

“Um, he just doesn’t like women does he?” Clarke quips. “He keeps f—king killing them. No. If I were to put myself in his shoes I’m not sure what else he could have done aside from … oh, I dunno, maybe having a discussion with me about it? Ask my opinion? Warn me?

(source: the abovementioned cosmopolitan interview)

Without further infos I am quite skeptical about the alleged rewrites BUT it is true that Jon seems scared/suspicious of her up to her Nuernberg speech and then suddenly he becomes her first stan when speaking with Tyrion (in particular he goes from trying to stop the killing of the Lannister prisoners to 'bu-bu-but her BFF was killed, we have to understand her!). Is it the usual bad and disjointed writing of D&D or is there something more? It wouldn't be the first time they allowed an actor to change his scenes (Momoa in S1) and it would explain at least some of the atrocious flip-flopping characterization of Jon and Tyrion...

Let's be thunkful together!

 

[Secret Asshole]

The problem is her character was going one direction and they totally fucking 180'ed her at the last second for no fucking reason. A lot of these actors were attached to their characters, they've been playing them for so long. Its particularly cruel when you're arc does an about face in the span of roughly 30 minutes. Which is kind of basically every single character on the show except like 2 or 3.

Emma might have demanded it, but D&D clearly wanted you to hate Dany and shock you. Her acting doesn't save her from justifiably being fucking murked because she turns into Hitler, but then again, none of Season 8 is well-thought out, plotted or makes any narrative fucking sense. You just burned thousands upon thousands of innocents and then just gave a speech about 'freeing' the entire continent. No amount of the 'Dany you knew' undoes that shit. If you wanted a real change, you would have gotten together with the others and threatened to walk. But those checks, so sweet yo.

 

[OttoWest]

I bet you any money all the actors have got some sort of auto-extension clause in their contracts to oblige them to participate in this and say Nice Things about the last series. Then they can have their PR guys say, "well clearly people who work in the industry thought it was good, didn't they? Didn't they?"

Paging @MirnaMinkoff if you have any insights into the PR spin here.

Lot of these actors do cons and will do cons in the future to supplement their careers. I can imagine they’re pissed because 1) the value of the show (as rewatch material and to future viewers) just sank like a stone, and 2) they’re the ones on the front lines having to answer fans at events when, inevitably, questions about season 8 pop up. Who wants to buy merch from this show now? Who wants one of those Dany Funko toys on their desk anymore?

ETA: Even in fucking China it’s a mess

 

[madethistocomment]

I've noticed a lot of "entitled" talk coming along. I think the PR machine is spinning fit to burst. After all, that's the usual line that's taken in the event of a fan backlash.

I was on r/freefolk earlier and found a link to a fan written script for Series 8 by a person calling themselves Alice Shipwise. Was started about a year ago and done a few scenes at a time. And it's better than the writing in the real series 8. I have to say, if fanfic is better than your actual work, you may want to consider a career change.

Personally, I hope someone adapts Joe Abercrombie's The First Law series. I think a lot of GOT alumni could do quite well in that. Certainly, Richard Madden as Black Dow, Mackenzie Crook as the Dogman, Emilia Clark as Carlot dan Eider, Anton Lesser as Castor Morveer, Rose Leslie as Shylo Vitari, Kit Harington as Major West, Kristen Nairn as Practical Frost, that bloke who played Dolorous Edd as Practical Severard. However for the main characters I'd cast people not involved with this. Maybe Anthony Buchan as Sand dan Glokta, Freema Agyeman as Ferro Maljinn, Sam Claflin as Jezal dan Luthar, Bryan Cranston as Bayaz. No idea who'd play Logen Ninefingers though. Got to be someone who can act, is older, and is huge physically.

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They won't. Sunk cost fallacy. You do over, you send very bad signals. People will be turning off in droves and advertisers will be loath to be associated with a failure.

Going in the spirit of casting GOT actors in this hypothetical show/movie, do you think Rory McCann could work for the Logen Ninefingers bloke? I have no idea who he is, but from your description Rory kinda fits the bill.

 

[cecograph]

I've watched this guy religiously since season 6, so this is the real end of Game of Thrones for me.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Paging @MirnaMinkoff if you have any insights into the PR spin here.

Lot of these actors do cons and will do cons in the future to supplement their careers. I can imagine they’re pissed because 1) the value of the show (as rewatch material and to future viewers) just sank like a stone, and 2) they’re the ones on the front lines having to answer fans at events when, inevitably, questions about season 8 pop up. Who wants to buy merch from this show now? Who wants one of those Dany Funko toys on their desk anymore?

Oh, absolutely. No actor, or GRR Martin even, would be allowed to shit talk this awful finale, that’s iron clad in their contracts. The actor that played “Droggo” did a really cringey “reaction” video to the finale where it was obvious he was not allowed to say anything at all critical. It was his last piece of acting of the show giving “drogo’s” thoughts, not his own.

But the actors probably don’t care too much. All these formerly unknown actors made huge bank on these last terrible seasons and it made them famous.

Any actor, director, writer or producer would be punished for bad mouthing a project they worked on. Not just by the network but blackballed by the industry as a whole. Even not doing enough promotional work can get you in deep shit. Most actors are required a certain amount of promo work in support of the show, usually negotiated in their contract. Honest criticism of any project is absolutely verboten and is a career killer. Any actor who would refuse a request to do a few days of media show rounds in support of their show would be asking for trouble. (There are sometimes leaks about actors getting upset at how much press they are required to do for movies. It's a very controlled and tightly negotiated issue in most big stars contracts. Giving them backend points on a movies profits can sometimes help make them PR machines.)

When any actors, directors or writers are unhappy they only ever speak about it publicly many years later, if ever. If any criticisms become public while the project is recent or ongoing that usually means lawsuits and guild fights are already in the works. You won't hear anything but high praise from the cast, the most they could do without killing their careers is just be silent on the matter.

I was even surprised at the amount of kneeling the media did in press about the show. I read a number of reviews where it was obvious the reviewer was being obtuse on purpose. They seemed to try and go with "fans are made because Dany went heel" instead of "fans are mad because Dany going heel made absolutely no fucking sense the way it was done, along with a ton of other poorly thought out plot devices that were thoughtlessly and hurriedly injected in Season 8, what a fucking shit show" It just shows the power HBO has in the media to be able to keep the professional writers criticisms of a godawful finale in check. These same writers want exclusive interviews with actors on other HBO series, to get early previews and invited to parties so they will tow the line as much as possible.

The fact that D&D were given the Star Wars is interesting now that everyone can see they are terrible at original writing and were totally lost once they didn't have Martin's books to heavily rely on. I can't imagine Disney isn't rethinking that decision given that D&D tanked GOT the same way the new SW have been tanking. If Disney had any fucking sense they would have begged and paid G RR Martin a bazillion dollars to write some new SW scripts, not the two Davids.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The fact that D&D were given the Star Wars is interesting now that everyone can see they are terrible at original writing and were totally lost once they didn't have Martin's books to heavily rely on. I can't imagine Disney isn't rethinking that decision given that D&D tanked GOT the same way the new SW have been tanking. If Disney had any fucking sense they would have begged and paid G RR Martin a bazillion dollars to write some new SW scripts, not the two Davids.

I mean, what can Disney really do at this point? TLJ basically killed Starwars. They seem to like guys who 'subvert expectations'. Kathleen Kennedy has handled the property incompetently. D&D's contracts are probably iron-clad from when the series was at its strongest and when they had the most negotiating power. J.J. didn't even want to come back and clean Rain's basically exploding diarrhea of a film. They had to probably dump piles and piles of money on him, so much it would have probably splattered Jaime and Cersi into pink mist if dropped at a height. And Star Wars is losing its value rapidly, that they have to pray TLS fixes its fucking meteoric descent. Of course, that won't matter if D&D fucking crater the next trilogy.

Their buy-out is probably fucking crazy. I think Disney is stuck with them unless they want to burn more money off of Star Wars. It'd also be a faux-paus and an acknowledgment that they're fucking garbage writers and story-tellers (which they are). So you piss off HBO, you lose money and create even more controversy. I mean if you want to kick HBO in the balls while they're down, I'd do it. Fuck it, Star Wars is burning money anyway, why not use some of that to beat a competitor while they're down? But they probably won't, because Kathleen Kennedy is worthless.