General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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To be fair, I don't think people are criticising her for yuribaiting, I think people strongly dislike how forced the ship was.

I mean, out of all of Hololive, has there been an occasion beforehand where one of the talents pushed a fan-ship on the fans straight out of the gate?

A majority of the company yuribaits, but a lot of the ships people have developed naturally (Pekora and Moona, Noel and Flare) and/or as a result of circumstance (Coco and Kanata living together, Korone and Okayu having a history prior to Hololive, making them rife with chemistry and their characters compliment each other).

TakaMori was pushed VERY heavily before anyone even really had a grip of who either of them were, and the push was not distributed equally from Calli and Kiara at all.

EN is going to have a lot of normies, or more normal otaku, who really want to sit comfortably between the lines of 'I am watching an anime character' and 'I fully acknowledge that this anime character expresses the persona of the person behind it', and therefore find the concept of TakaMori to be too synthetic and unentertaining.

That said, I'm seeing a lot of comments like 'Oh the Kiara complaints are more obnoxious than her!' but, in reality, you can check Twitter and it's overwhelmingly supportive of Kiara. YouTube and Reddit too, in fact, I think if you're seeing a lot of negativity towards her that you don't like, you're spending too much time on 4ch and KF that it's getting to you.
I mean I get that the shipping makes people feel uncomfortable and believe me I'm not exactly into that sort of thing but it feels like that was the intended dynamic?
As for the latter idk, I've met a fair share antis for her and so some I've even befriended but it seems like a lot of them share the same tapes which is fine but I kind of find bewildering at the same time.
Mainly because I think some of her attributes are shared with other members but seem to be far less pulverizing despite leaning on the same tropes
 
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Are we reading the same article? This lady spends one single paragraph talking about the 31 supachat thing, and the criticism is like "well, Gura was tired so yeah". Were exactly is she canceling Hololive? Fuck, she admits she's a fucking Lunaito and commands us to become part of Luna's royal guard.
I was more critical about the person who sent the 30 superchats.

I read through the blogpost, read about how stream chat can be (toxic/spergy/etc) which I agreed on, mom's a Lunaito, cool.
 
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If you don't mind, could you point me in the direction of Calli's more recent reactions to the ship?

Forced and cringe as it may be, Calli and Kiara have hung out IRL, had vacations together, and Kiara is directly referenced in the song Calli debuted with; implying there was probably some history, trust, and/or agreement between them prior to debut that they would have a 'dynamic'.

I'm also willing to pardon Kiara's overexcessive sexual comments about Calli on the basis that EN, ID, and JP viewers seem unable to get enough of the yuribait bullshit, and the JP clippers go HARD with TakaMori. She's just doing what she knows these grass-avoiding autists will eat up and that's kinda the base instinct of what a successful content creator does.

If I was to dare engage with the shipping of real people playing anime characters, I'd outwardly say that I prefer seeing Calli hang out with Gura, as despite their combined awkwardness, there's no real 'threat' of just being blindsided by dodgy sexual humour.
Just my take.
They are probably a really good friend and work colleagues. The whole Takamori thing was to help Kiara early since she really does not have any niche beside trilingual, loud extrovert and idolfag Pekora. The chicken kinda hang on and find a way after cross Gen collab restrict end and Holotalk was a success for her as well as a mean for JP girls to communicate and advertise themselves to larger EN audience (Nene should have appear on Holotalk and announce her 3D debut there for bigger impact than her general being a dork and “leak” it).

Calli and Kiara being a good friend really check out since Calli before joining Hololive was part of the loud “bottom feeder” even if she did have content but not success in selling her music. I remembered she talked about how she used to envy people in the limelight and thought that they success due to corporate back up (with absolute true). Come Kiara, an idol who fall from grace, she used to be in the limelight and the abyss of bottom feeder, she knew the feeling and interacting with Calli is open up their eyes on both side. The envy bottom feeder and the mighty proud borderline egotistical corporate back audience side. This could explain Calli’s attitude change and double down against her own bottom feeders brethren with “start creating stop tweeting” stance.

I’ll say their friendship had an interesting dynamic which compensate each other really well due to come from 2 unique walk of life of entertainment. Plus Calli’s roommate recent tour performance archiving full house (which kinda expected due to her not to subtle Hololive effect)
I think this could be quite a big thing for her and could potentially boost her popularity on both her Hololive ina persona and her other actual artist account thing. More commissions, that sort of thing.

Quite interesting having a read on the Drawfest site now. Her own section is on Day 2. There are some really big names/companies involved, feel like she going to pull out some of her best work out of this.

I love how she always joked about Wacom sponsoring her, and this isn't too far off the mark now being invited to an event hosted by them and Pixiv now.
Her roommate artist popular boost is 50:50 at best due to being an oversea artist though she was main artist for some light novel and illustrator for gacha game like FGO, Azure Lane, etc. (in term of artistic, I doubt she can beat someone like Shigure Ui or Kagura Nana etc even though her arts are pretty darn good.) In my opinion, Ina should release art books as one of official merch for her Hololive persona though the art can be just mainly Hololive relate. This will act as advertisement for her roommate as her art will reach higher corporate level which gives her roommate a true boost (profit cut with Hololive is pretty much advertising fee for a larger audience).
 
I'm really curious how prevalent yuribaiting is among the western fandom. They're not just gonna completely manufacture a ship if they're not seeing analytics that indicate it being a huge factor.
Depends on your angle.

I doubt there's any 'analytics' in an Excel sheet, but you can get a 'feel' of the cultural environment, and it doesn't take much sleuthing in the community to know that clippers clip yuribait, EN viewers flock to it, parrot whatever standout memes arise from the ship until they invoke a similar visceral feeling in your stomach as injections to the eyeballs, and create a seemingly endless well of fanart for it.

Financially, though? Who knows. It took a lot of numberfagging for Kiara to not be the lowest in her generation anymore, but I recall seeing that Kiara was up near the top of a recent superchat analytic (though I can't even remember what measure of time it was at). Calli is the top donated in EN, but it'd be disrespectful to her work ethic to say that being 1/2 of TakaMori is the reason people simp for her.

On top of the fact that HoloMyth wildly exceeded expectations, I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume that Kiara (and maybe Calli behind the scenes) decided to go really hard on the ship solely because they thought it'd be fun. Which is fine, but like all ideas content creators think is fun, not everyone is going to like it and may even outright despise it.

And it's difficult to 'just avoid' it as you would a GameGrumps live-action skit or FNAF Game Theory vid, because annoying sexual comments and unfunny TakaMori 'bits' are so deeply engrained in Kiara's syntax that, no matter what she's playing, who she's collaborating with, or what the context is, I'm always kind of watching in constant fear that she will say something so cringe-inducing about her and Calli that it's difficult to continue watching.

And it's such a fixable aspect of her character, too. I guarantee that if she tones down the overt sexual comments (not even her swearing, which is something she considered but I find to be perfectly fine), she'll suddenly become infinitely easier to watch and support. She's really not bad at what she does, and as someone who loves weeb shit, her portfolio of games is my favourite in HoloMyth right now.

But the unnaturalness of how she talks to and about Calli is just personally a bit too much for me to cope with.
 
Here's the sperg's poem, it starts around 11 min and goes for a little over an hour. They deserve way more mockery and bullying than the mild ribbing they got.

Sperg said:
[1] Hey, Gura~ I wrote you a poem, because you've been having it so rough. I really wanted to support you, and all I could think of was poetry and SC. So, here are 30 SC's that I hope you'll enjoy~
[2] I am but a small shrimp. Beneath the ocean I lay, unwilling to ever crawl. The end is nigh! And so I lay, this rock my grave. Darkness above, a swirl of sea foam which light does not escape.
[3] I see no wonders, no splendor - not even a parade. Alone I live, alone I die, alone I watch a figure walk past me, not an espy I crave. Who? Why? I cannot tell.
[4] But outstretched their arms go and a sweet melody come flow, "S○n! O' Mr S○n! Please, sh○ne down upon me!" A silly verse is met without recourse.

[5] And yet, I have no place to go, so I watch the likely chanteuse dare not despair. Recommence the solo, bringing forth their heart's desire! Days on end, a dozen ever further
[6] - until so do disperse those cloudy waters, part ways the fickle foam and set forth the shining one! A heavenly moment, my little eyes witness. Gentle rays ballet, caressing their unveiled form
[7] Hair, silver lined by tinge of blue, eyes beholden a luster… Nay! Gaze upon their soul within! Such delineation cannot even begin! Sudden breath escapes my lungs, a fear to be se en overcome.
[8] Yet, unnoticed I go as the figure - a she - swims gleefully away. Is it true? Have I gone mad? A chum like no other is just this way. I must proceed ahead! Or this life will be wholly mislead.

[9] Scurry along, little pereiopods, down the path less trodden; once enshrouded with foamy storm - 'twas recently undone by this radiant chum
[10] O' heavenly Selachii, behold now your corporeal physique; over their shoulder rests a fork of nobility, to which knapsack full of seaweed and rations hang. Emergency rations?
[11] Why, a Bloop! An artifact of wars long had. To what journey do you flow, chum I wish to know? Prevailing tales about you, and how you've grown.
[12] Joyful, sorrowful, such many a thing; everything about you, from how life came to be. Yet overhead, a shadow now creeps.

[13] Silhouette of a foe I dread - Orca, O' foulest beast; like a crack of thunder, tail shatters cliffside asunder. My chum! Lookout!
[14] But, words fail to flow - frail little chords taken their final toll. And so, with scrunched up rear, rapid takeoff I go. Flicking towards her hip with haste, collision nearly snaps my carapace.
[15] But enough force naught to succeed, as crumbling debris bury us completely. Terror, gasps - chum, don't fret! Not here, not now - my life be yours, instead.
[16] Hoist these stones, a ton they weigh; tail caught screaming, your fears allay. Chum, I am here… but please, hurry now. Such force, I reckon, is not meant for mere crustaceans. Ah, indeed

[17] - snapped in two, my death resounds. She is safe, make no mistake. Such efforts were not for waste. Sublunary life of mine, your end is nigh. Once again I lay, this rock my grave.
[18] Fearful I am, though not for my mori - a vanished life beside you terrifies me with worry. What could have been, what could have se en… what might it be, to have your hand to cling.
[19] Memoirs of mine fade, the void do taketh - breathing my last, it was all so she'd make it… "O' small shrimp who saved me - even listened to my song. Dared not laugh, nor critique
[20] - only silently did you creep. Within these hands I hold you, it is as I feared - forfeit your life, that I may be secure. Fought off the whale, though nipped my tail.

[21] Too bloody these waters, it is land I wish to sail. But, why must life vex me so? Naught much seems to matter. I hunger and pain, without much gain. It all feels so pointless, even in your mori.
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[22] So, small shrimp - for your sacrifice, what have you obtained? Does everything still feel the same?" Weakly, my eyes open. Such beauty before me
[23] - though bloodied and beaten, you radiate like a divine beacon. Into the eyes of unfathomable light I stare… Does heaven greet me within her glare? Ah, a smile - like none I've ever made before.
[24] Creeping across my cheeks, I finally feel at peace. Please, graciously allow me to say how I feel. To lose this precious chance would truly be ill. "O' chum, O' Selachii

[25] - O' soul, so eau de Nil. Like brightest stars, a cosmos is born - within your eyes lies greater than our own. Reflect upon my ill lived life; had I known you'd come I'd have done just right.
[26] But there is only forward, and the time is present - so to you… each other, is what I say. Does any other feeling matter, in this crummy sea? I think not, for warmth is what we all need.
[27] I long to hold you, though that is now lost; so instead I shall bolster you, with all of my flesh. Consume my everything - it is all yours; my mind, my heart… my soul, ingest it all.
[28] My sacrifice is for you, because it is you I adore. Foolish, it may be? I suppose so. Yet these feelings stirring my soul, are all that I've ever owned. O' Dearest Sweetheart, I Love You.

[29] My chum accepts the earnest claim - gnawed and devoured by Selachii teeth, my death is most profound. I never once heard her name, nor gave mine…
[30] But, Same I shall call her, thus my soul will proclaim - for it means to 'listen well'. And so, I was finally heard. Fin
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The only time when it's great not to know Japanese: you perceive their voices as instruments and you don't get to roll your eyes out of orbits from how bland lyrics are.
This is cool as fuck.
 
Are we reading the same article? This lady spends one single paragraph talking about the 31 supachat thing, and the criticism is like "well, Gura was tired so yeah". Were exactly is she canceling Hololive? Fuck, she admits she's a fucking Lunaito and commands us to become part of Luna's royal guard.
Here's the issue with her article. While I get the sentiment, she has two major problems-
1) Expecting ENG internet chat to behave like JP internet chat. The cultural difference is just too huge, and tapping the sign doesn't work. The streamer needs to ream the chat out. Gura is the only one who I think hasn't done it to an acceptable level considering the state of her chat. Again, I maintain anyone who wants to study how to handle a rowdy chat needs to watch Asmongold.
2) Her incredulity that the chat would read a bullying message. Fuck, it's the internet. Nut up bitch. It happens, especially when the person sending the SC is a turbo-sped enough to do this.
The only time when it's great not to know Japanese: you perceive their voices as instruments and you don't get to roll your eyes out of orbits from how bland lyrics are.
This is cool as fuck.
FUCK this is really good. We need more song collabs between the angels.
 
Just watched TakaMori play ClubHouse 51 and...it was fun. Kiara seemed a lot more natural, too.
 
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Here's the sperg's poem, it starts around 11 min and goes for a little over an hour. They deserve way more mockery and bullying than the mild ribbing they got.


I checked the guy's twitter. He is a budding EN version of Lyger to Gura. I will now never make fun of how overtly paranoid Gura is.

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...why he didn't use the SC money to buy his own PC, we'll never know. Anyhow, I just hope nothing comes out of this. The last thing we need is an EN version of that yaoi bullshit.
 
Hi-Rez games have this bad habit of throwing you against bots for the first 5 levels.
There are a few other online games that do this so that new players dont get shit on by jumping straight in with other players.

Tako is gonna be a host for a drawing event. I wonder how well she's going to emcee in a non Hololive environment.
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Would be nice to see.

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any one got pants sc cause he seem like a based guy
This is pathetic

310$ for 31 Superchats containing a poem.
I sometimes question my own sanity and social competence but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. The fact that some men are so obsessed with women they have never met, even to the point of sending them money instead of sending it to their own mother, makes me believe in witchcraft.
Witchcraft or massive autism.
These are the type of people who spend $1000's on shit like OnlyFans.

Reminds me of the guy that sent the Pastebin or whatever it was to Calli containing some rap he wrote and other schizo shit. (Which, I think she even opened and the dude still found a way to bitch and moan about it)

Fans who feel like the streamers owe them something because they sent money their way are the fucking worst. If they do Superchat readings, expect your name to be read and that's it. Anything else is a bonus and that's entirely in the streamer's right. Especially if people try to stir up trans or schizo shit which could genuinely harm the member in question's image.

Edit: Jeez, this thread moves fast. He sent her both an imgur and a pastebin link. https://imgur.com/a/CTCMQjj https://pastebin.com/wZUEn4XQ

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Why do people like this even exist?

I feel like some of the ID girls, especially Ollie seems to get a pass for Yuri baiting. Ollie is basically the ID version of Kiara in many ways. Loud, Obnoxious, Numberfagging, Going out of her way for JP collabs (early on, similar to Kiara), etc. I personally don't see these as being negative, I wish more of the ID/EN girls were more outspoken to JP members. But what I'm getting is at is that I don't see half the shit slung at Kiara also be thrown at Ollie. Obviously, I know it's not mutually exclusive to dislike Kiara and like Ollie, but it is a bit fishy to what extent there is hate towards Kiara specifically, even with the difference in subscribers.

I genuinely think there's a group of people who just inherently dislike Kiara for no real reason (which is fine, just admit it) but try to pigeonhole it into the whole "Oh she's so loud. Oh she's so obnoxious." rhetoric. A much more reasonable reason is just not liking her voice. Because I can at least understand some people not enjoying hearing English spoken in a German or Austrian accent.

I should mention I don't dislike either Kiara or Ollie, but it's just an obvious observation.
I do agree that Kiara does seem to get more hate than usual. I think it is perceived that Ollie is younger and thus people are more willing to tolerate that shit whereas Kiara is perceived as older.

Mmm. There's a difference in execution, even if they do technically accomplish the same stuff.

During Ollie's debut, she leaned very hard into the idea of being 'one of the fans' who just so happened to get a gig at Hololive. She openly calls herself a simp and says she's simped for multiple Oshi prior to debut. Also, when she yuribaits and flirts, the running gag is that everyone usually finds her as overbearing as she presents herself.

The result is that people probably psychologically consider her screaming and fangirling to be endearing and relatable, and I'm pretty sure she has the self-awareness to know that people find her loudness annoying.
There is a large number of people who dislike Ollie because of it too. Saying that she is loud and obnoxious. That said she is pretty great. She seems to interact way more with fans, even going into clipper/reaction channels to comment on the clips and tweeting back and forth with the random viewers.

The EN chat is a great example of why we can't have nice things.
I bet Japan chat is just as cancerous, its just harder to tell because of the moon runes.

I just plainly ignore twitter because it's a platform where mentally ill pod-people get to shout as loud as they can and yes, they'll get asspats and a supporting audience.
Its a shame because there is great content on that page yet the amount of mentally ill people and the fact that the platform is run by idiots kill any sort of fun that you can have on that site.
 
I checked the guy's twitter. He is a budding EN version of Lyger to Gura. I will now never make fun of how overtly paranoid Gura is.

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...why he didn't use the SC money to buy his own PC, we'll never know. Anyhow, I just hope nothing comes out of this. The last thing we need is an EN version of that yaoi bullshit.
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I checked the guy's twitter. He is a budding EN version of Lyger to Gura. I will now never make fun of how overtly paranoid Gura is.

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...why he didn't use the SC money to buy his own PC, we'll never know. Anyhow, I just hope nothing comes out of this. The last thing we need is an EN version of that yaoi bullshit.
Great case to invoke restrictions to internet access. I hope this shit is getting rightfully flamed to cinders since he used hashtags.
 
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