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Shaka Brah said:
Their reaction to the Rittenhouse case is proof enough of their grift. They support guns as a fashion statement, not as a tool of self-defense.
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They want to and are succeeding at being the lifestyle brand for bro vets/cops and wannabe bro vets. The second amendment is their version of a gold Gucci logo.
 
Paul Harrell brings his autism to the .30 Super Carry debate.

Pretty mild take from him, but probably correct. Something needs to happen for this caliber to catch on, and I don't think Ian's (was it him?) simping is going to be enough. VHS had the porn industry rooting for it. .30 Super Carry needs more than just a pornstache carrying water for it.
 
Corn Flakes said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rFr9KYanINgPaul Harrell brings his autism to the .30 Super Carry debate.

Pretty mild take from him, but probably correct. Something needs to happen for this caliber to catch on, and I don't think Ian's (was it him?) simping is going to be enough. VHS had the porn industry rooting for it. .30 Super Carry needs more than just a pornstache carrying water for it.
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Paul hits just about every argument to be had on the subject, but I want to expound just a little bit more in one area.

Handguns and cartridge pairings compete between on 2 or 3 factors for most people looking at personal self defense. Those are: round size and expansion, number of rounds, and (optionally) conceal-ability. Paul touched on this, and was right.

The reason being is for the purposes of a human target, most all handgun cartridges on the market can't get up to the speed necessary while retaining enough mass/expansion to cause traumatic hydrostatic damage. A .223 Remington fired out of a rifle is far more lethal than an .45 ACP fired out of damn near anything for a reason.

So the discussion is, do you want a slightly to moderately more lethal round, or do I simply want more rounds. That was the 9mm vs 45 ACP argument.

Now, the formula changes when the target changes. Are you worried about large, dangerous animals Then you may want to invest far more into the hand-cannon side of things. Wanting to punch through light cover might change your cartridge choice again. Similarly if you are choosing a sidearm for fighting a war, your target distance will probably be significantly different than a typical self-defense scenario.

So is .30 Super Carry a decent cartridge. Sure. Is it going to replace 9mm? probably not.

But what do I know? I EDC a 10mm Glock 20, and that obviously isn't the height of concealed carry wisdom.
 
.30 would have to be really fucking special to take on 9mm, and it just isn't. There's nothing wrong with new shit but I've said it before, modern 9mm loads are just too versatile. We're talking about a round that has had over 100 years of active development on it.




BONE_Buddy said:
A .223 Remington fired out of a rifle is far more lethal than an .45 ACP fired out of damn near anything for a reason.
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BONE_Buddy said:
But what do I know? I EDC a 10mm Glock 20, and that obviously isn't the height of concealed carry wisdom
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The FBI Miami shootout found out the above the hard way and it directly led to the development of .40 S&W and 10mm, so you can thank two bank robbers carrying a mini-14 and shooting glowies for that.
 
There's people who still insist the lesson from that fuckup was bigger pistols, and that it wasn't just a matter of grave tactical retardation.
 
HumptiDouji said:
There's people who still insist the lesson from that fuckup was bigger pistols, and that it wasn't just a matter of grave tactical retardation.
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The lesson was don't bring a fucking pistol to a rifle fight. I'd say it was learned given how many cops have ARs and rifle plates in their cruisers. The only two agents that day who had something other than a pistol or shotgun (One had an MP5, the other had a Colt. I think a Commando but I don't fully recall) weren't at the scene of the chase or crash. None of the FBI guys were wearing their issued body armor.

The FBI also denied for years that the problem was their doctrine or weaponry at the time. Oh no, the mighty FBI cannot ever be wrong.

I will say, that whole shootout makes for fascinating reading if you guys ever want to learn about what modern tactics and equipment evolved from. The North Hollywood shoot out is another one but Miami is what got the ball really rolling. It's why we have the FBI ballistic test now.

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This is the book one of the surviving agents wrote about the engagement : FBI Miami Firefight
 
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I'm going to bring up old shit. Anyone remember Hoss USMC? Someone posted a video about him two months ago, apparently he e-begged crowdfunded a documentary about militias in America, to the surprise of absolutely no one he fumbled it - and most likely because he had no experience in production so he couldn't deliver despite having the footage, the uploader theorizes the audio is probably ass, etc.
Hoss has an active facebook page https://www.facebook.com/ithouston

BONE_Buddy said:
So is .30 Super Carry a decent cartridge. Sure. Is it going to replace 9mm? probably not.
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I don't see it as a 9mm replacement, I see it as a way to bridge the gap between 9mm and 380.
30 Super Carry is too powerful for the micro 380s but on subcompact locked breech pistols it actually gives a capacity advantage and it's designed from the ground up with FBI specs in mind. Save for a few exceptions a lot of .380 carry ammo is weirdly inconsistent at meeting penetration standards.
 
UVB-76 said:
I don't see it as a 9mm replacement, I see it as a way to bridge the gap between 9mm and 380.
30 Super Carry is too powerful for the micro 380s but on subcompact locked breech pistols it actually gives a capacity advantage and it's designed from the ground up with FBI specs in mind. Save for a few exceptions a lot of .380 carry ammo is weirdly inconsistent at meeting penetration standards.
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That's the one situation I'd get a .30 Super Carry for. If I wanted a carry pistol as small as a .380, but with more oomph than .380 and more capacity than a 9mm of the same size. That's a very specific use case, but most people don't get to collect guns (hell, I limit myself to a very small amount) so if that sounds attractive to someone they might as well go for it.

Actually, I lie. I'd get one for plinking, because I like plinking. But I already have a 9mm pistol for that so my money will remain in my wallet.
 
2 things I think would make .30 SC more interesting are the recoil and possibility of use with 30cal suppressors(especially for PCCs/submachineguns).

The recoil is equal to 9mm so that eliminates it as a replacement for .380 in most cases where I recommend it(women/elderly who don't deal with recoil well and don't like guns enough to train to manage it). I know that the basis for the ideas behind the cartridge are small diameter bullet go faster, but I wish they managed to lower the felt recoil somehow. If they did it would virtually kill .380 in new production guns.

Haven't checked myself but based on the info around(Paul referenced this) the diameter is slightly higher than normal 30 cal bullets so use with 30cal suppressors is iffy even though it sounds like a potentially cool high capacity subgun cartridge.
 
Federal kinda fucked the .30 SC with that name as it is really .32 (7.65mm) caliber not .30 (7.62mm) and Super Carry is imho kinda mall ninja tier retarded. Instead of say to more traditional and recognizable naming schemes like what Federal already uses for their own created cartridges.
 
7,65mm Federal sounds a lot better, I agree. Sounds martial.
 
Corn Flakes said:
That's the one situation I'd get a .30 Super Carry for. If I wanted a carry pistol as small as a .380, but with more oomph than .380 and more capacity than a 9mm of the same size. That's a very specific use case, but most people don't get to collect guns (hell, I limit myself to a very small amount) so if that sounds attractive to someone they might as well go for it.

Actually, I lie. I'd get one for plinking, because I like plinking. But I already have a 9mm pistol for that so my money will remain in my wallet.
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likeacrackado said:
2 things I think would make .30 SC more interesting are the recoil and possibility of use with 30cal suppressors(especially for PCCs/submachineguns).

The recoil is equal to 9mm so that eliminates it as a replacement for .380 in most cases where I recommend it(women/elderly who don't deal with recoil well and don't like guns enough to train to manage it). I know that the basis for the ideas behind the cartridge are small diameter bullet go faster, but I wish they managed to lower the felt recoil somehow. If they did it would virtually kill .380 in new production guns.

Haven't checked myself but based on the info around(Paul referenced this) the diameter is slightly higher than normal 30 cal bullets so use with 30cal suppressors is iffy even though it sounds like a potentially cool high capacity subgun cartridge.
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I haven’t shot it but I have heard the felt recoil is just as bad of not worse then 9mm. On top of that the loaded length is just as long as a 9mm. Also the extreme chamber pressures (reported at 50,000 psi) requires the lockup to be beefier. Putting these things together makes it a non started for subcompact/backup guns. By making the bullet diameter larger then your standard .30 cal it limited the ability to use many common suppressors.

Overall it seems to be extreme amounts of Compromises all to try to cram something close to 9mm performance into a .32ACP size to get an extra 2 rounds in the mag.

Also Ian is just liking it cause the dimensions are similar enough and the case wall thick enough that he can use it for .30 French Long

ETA: I’m curious to see what the SAAMI specs are when they get approved. Cause until that happens it’s just a wildcat rounds.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Federal kinda fucked the .30 SC with that name as it is really .32 (7.65mm) caliber not .30 (7.62mm) and Super Carry is imho kinda mall ninja tier retarded. Instead of say to more traditional and recognizable naming schemes like what Federal already uses for their own created cartridges.
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HumptiDouji said:
.32 Federal Auto or 7.65mm Federal Carry would have been a lot better.
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Which sounds good until you remember there is .32 ACP already, and was popular enough for long enough that older clientele would associate 32 Auto with 32 ACP instead of your new ammo.

Using 7.65 Federal or something similar but more unique like 7.64 as the name might work better.

But let's face it a great, memorable name, even one as crazy as some of the wildcat home-brews like 300 Werewolf, wouldn't save the cartridge.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Federal kinda fucked the .30 SC with that name as it is really .32 (7.65mm) caliber not .30 (7.62mm) and Super Carry is imho kinda mall ninja tier retarded. Instead of say to more traditional and recognizable naming schemes like what Federal already uses for their own created cartridges.
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HumptiDouji said:
.32 Federal Auto or 7.65mm Federal Carry would have been a lot better.
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White Devil said:
7,65mm Federal sounds a lot better, I agree. Sounds martial.
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Calling it .32 [anything] would have been retarded from a marketing standpoint since you'd hear that ".32" at the start and automatically call it weak since .32 is a weak number for a caliber. I think calling it 7.65 wouldn't have been much better since that makes it sound exotic and retards would go "7.65 is smaller than 9 so therefore weak" because the average person is a retard.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Calling it .32 [anything] would have been retarded from a marketing standpoint since you'd hear that ".32" at the start and automatically call it weak since .32 is a weak number for a caliber. I think calling it 7.65 wouldn't have been much better since that makes it sound exotic and retards would go "7.65 is smaller than 9 so therefore weak" because the average person is a retard.
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They'd think it's Russian and it would get banned.
 

New Donut, more Donut letting himself go physically.

If he's not going to care how he looks, he should either dig out the gimp hood he wore for a gear review parody video a couple of years back and wear it full time or invest in bavaclavas and start wearing them full time. Try and get that gimp/masked domme daddy audience that Administrative Results has cornered.
 
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