God is a requirement for a free world - You need Jesus.

[MadStan]

Religious nut bags.

It's like the renaissance was just missed by some people. But hey, it makes as much sense as the John Frum cult - which actually is theoretically more possible than organized religion.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

lmao imagine seething over the truth

The way, the truth and the light? Yeah.

 

[Fools Idol]

The idea that society's rules can only be upheld if there's a big magic man in the sky that punishes people for breaking those rules is some real brainlet thinking.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Without a god the entire moral system we have collapses. That's the biggest problem with atheism, if we are all soulless meat puppets then why should immorality matter? We should be greedy fuckers who fuck everything and everyone as long as we don't get caught.
And guess what, this exactly what happens right now with Dems and Trannies. Killing a 8 month old clump of cells is okay since it's soulless (as the writer of The Handmaid's Tale says in an interview). And grooming children for sexual pleasure is totally moral.

So yes, God is a requirement for a functioning free world. And that's without the obvious argument that the entire leftist policy is build around notion of religion dogma they don't believe in (such that we should respect and accept trannies).

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

OP is a lawfag. I shall stick with the path of chads. Chaos.

 

[trailcamwhore]

I'll convert when Christians stop acting like the only Commandment is "Be a repulsive faggot."

 

[mrolonzo]

Without a god the entire moral system we have collapses. That's the biggest problem with atheism, if we are all soulless meat puppets then why should immorality matter? We should be greedy fuckers who fuck everything and everyone as long as we don't get caught.
And guess what, this exactly what happens right now with Dems and Trannies. Killing a 8 month old clump of cells is okay since it's soulless (as the writer of The Handmaid's Tale says in an interview). And grooming children for sexual pleasure is totally moral.

So yes, God is a requirement for a functioning free world. And that's without the obvious argument that the entire leftist policy is build around notion of religion dogma they don't believe in (such that we should respect and accept trannies).

Do you mean God as in meaning in the universe?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Do you mean God as in meaning in the universe?

I mean god as the big sky papa who will bring you to eternal torment if you sin, not this gay metaphysical shit.

 

[Death Grip]

I was thinking about this subject the other day and I have come to the conclusion that if the whole Adam and Eve story actually happened, then God lost at that point. The eating of the apple allowed Satan to be more powerful than God and he's been in charge ever since.
We live in a 'poop' world. The metaphor of a small amount of poop being added to a stew and therefore not being edible, can be related back to the world we live in.
Everything is tainted, there is poop in the stew and no one who is born on this planet can avoid being tainted by it.
Early Christianity heavily believed in celibacy and this was probably with the purpose of not introducing more souls into the existence we live in, ruled by Satan.
Just some musings, not really beliefs as such.

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

Then why didn't he mandate Christianity under the law for all Americans?

Jefferson and Congress, duh.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Religion is necessary to keep all of the stupid people in line.

And here's why that's a Good thing. ™

 

[Wormy]

Because Christian values were the basis for raising children. Even if you later became a Christian rationalist, most people if not all people in America held and demonstrated those values, the same way modern Americans are indoctrinated into and espouse wokeness.

You REALLY overestimate the percentage of people who are actually "woke".

And yet the dominant religion in our society today (secular progressivism) easily forces mass compliance despite the fact that at least half the population, and probably considerably more, doesn't sincerely believe in it. Odd how that works.

Not really. Churches still remain, including quite a few fundamentalist ones, as well as fundamentalist centers of learning. If mass forced compliance was the goal, they failed and failed hard.

Uhh, yeah. What it recommends is that you actually believe rather than faking it.

Then how do you make people believe it?

"Christianity = retarded hicks" meme. Nice strawman. I can just as easily ask you why the liberal cities are shitholes that everyone with money is fleeing from.

Never said that. My point is that Christianity is not the cure all you think it is.

Maybe places become shitholes for reasons OTHER than people believing in Jesus or not.

You're arguing with people who are often well-entrenched in their beliefs and station in life and have put a lot of thought into it. Parroting Democratic propaganda about how religion = retards isn't really doing anything to expand on the issue.

Care to show me where I said Religion=Retards?

What I'm arguing with you is the unfeasibility of your utopia.

I've had many missionaries and regular people alike discuss God with me, and none have threatened that I will go to hell.

I grew up Southern Baptist, son of a preacher, straight up fundamentalist. Hell was a constant subject, and we were reminded of it every Sunday and usually throughout the week too.

They have not read their scripture. Read it yourself.

You HAVE read the Bible completely, haven't you?

That's the biggest problem with atheism, if we are all soulless meat puppets then why should immorality matter? We should be greedy fuckers who fuck everything and everyone as long as we don't get caught.

Religion hasn't done a good job stopping it either. Also, once saved always saved. Sin won't send you to Hell after Christ redeems you.

I mean god as the big sky papa who will bring you to eternal torment if you sin, not this gay metaphysical shit.

Yes, if you break the rules that he intentionally rigged so that you can never fully follow them and instead must telepathically accept the non-sacrifice of his son who was also his father and a ghost at the same time, after which no matter what you do, you will go to Heaven like Hitler and the Son of Sam did.


A religion that sends Sam Berkowitz to Heaven and Junko Furuta to Hell is one I want nothing to do with.

And grooming children for sexual pleasure is totally moral.

It is with the Bible too. In fact, all you have to do is pay a fee and marry the woman and you get off with rape scot free.

Killing a 8 month old clump of cells is okay since it's soulless

It's okay to CHristians too if it's of the wrong tribe.

Read about what happened to Jericho.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Churches still remain, including quite a few fundamentalist ones, as well as fundamentalist centers of learning.

Nah fam, when I was a christ-tard(now a theist) a lot of churches are fairly progressive, especially the mega churches that are in the south.

Yes, if you break the rules that he intentionally rigged so that you can never fully follow them and instead must telepathically accept the non-sacrifice of his son who was also his father and a ghost at the same time, after which no matter what you do, you will go to Heaven like Hitler and the Son of Sam did.


A religion that sends Sam Berkowitz to Heaven and Junko Furuta to Hell is one I want nothing to do with.

I agree with half of the first paragraph, the bible is fairly rigged in a infantile matter. But then you made the claim that both the Son of Sam and Hitler are both going to heaven? I highly doubt it, especially in the context of the new testament.

It is with the Bible too. In fact, all you have to do is pay a fee and marry the woman and you get off with rape scot free.

I hate this argument, because this is from the old testament, which should never really be followed by a Christian. It's a interesting piece of history, but most teachings should be based on New Testament, not the gay old testament.

I also hate arguments from Christ-tards too, when they use the old testament as a point of teaching. Like no, the old testament arguably promotes incest and that's fucking gay.

 

[Wormy]

Nah fam, when I was a christ-tard(now a theist) a lot of churches are fairly progressive, especially the mega churches that are in the south.

Where in the South? Atlanta isn't the same as Bucksnort.

I agree with half of the first paragraph, the bible is fairly rigged in a infantile matter. But then you made the claim that both the Son of Sam and Hitler are both going to heaven? I highly doubt it, especially in the context of the new testament.

Okay, probably not Herr Furher since his religion was more of a mish mash of Germanic paganism with Catholicism with a serious Wagner fetish. But the Son of Sam, yes, by scriptural standards he is in Heaven. Even murder does not make one unable to be saved by Christ.

I hate this argument, because this is from the old testament, which should never really be followed by a Christian. It's a interesting piece of history, but most teachings should be based on New Testament, not the gay old testament.

So the 10 Commandments don't apply either? They were Old Testament.

Christ also said he came not to change the law.

 

[gang weeder]

Then how do you make people believe it?

By and large, you don't. Trying to force belief is rarely, if ever, a good idea. This is why I specified that non-believers would simply lack political rights and citizenship, as opposed to being faced with some sort of attempt to "force" them to believe. I'm not sure what your point is besides the overall sentiment of "religion bad."

Never said that. My point is that Christianity is not the cure all you think it is.

Then you are arguing, to no one's surprise, against a strawman. I never described Christianity as "cure all" either. I simply described it as superior to wokeshit as a religion.

I grew up Southern Baptist, son of a preacher, straight up fundamentalist. Hell was a constant subject, and we were reminded of it every Sunday and usually throughout the week too.

So you're a living stereotype, then. Tell us more.

 

[Wormy]

By and large, you don't.

Then you got a pickle on your hand; how do you sort out the true believers from the ones faking it to retain their basic rights and avoid having them revoked?

Incidentally, that's going to take one HELL of a bureaucratic machine to make work.

Trying to force belief is rarely, if ever, a good idea

You got the scent, hound dog, now let's see if you follow it....

This is why I specified that non-believers would simply lack political rights and citizenship, as opposed to being faced with some sort of attempt to "force" them to believe. I'm not sure what your point is besides the overall sentiment of "religion bad."

I never once said "Religion=Bad" Show where I did.

My point remains "Basing your system of government that strongly on religion is unfeasible unless you want to turn it into a heavily authoritarian surveillance/police state and I am not a fan of that."

I never described Christianity as "cure all" either. I simply described it as superior to wokeshit as a religion.

You can make a case for the latter, but yes, you did imply that Christianity was a cure all.

So you're a living stereotype, then. Tell us more.

Sure. What would you like to know?

 

[L50LasPak]

Its God's will that we suffer for our arrogance in the Garden of Eden. The task laid before us is deliberately insurmountable, because we had in our arrogance planned on eating from the Tree of Life, we thought we could be like God, and now we are judged to God's perfect standards. Damnation awaits, for there is no man righteous, not a one.

 

[gang weeder]

Then you got a pickle on your hand; how do you sort out the true believers from the ones faking it to retain their basic rights and avoid having them revoked?

I repeat: It is plausible that some people could fake it. I do not see this as a problem. I repeat: I don't know what your point is.

You can make a case for the latter, but yes, you did imply that Christianity was a cure all.

Dishonest. Quote me. Inherent in Christianity itself is the notion that life on Earth cannot be perfect (original sin, fallen world, etc.).

I never once said "Religion=Bad" Show where I did.

Your posts practically ooze reddit atheism. You are an atheist, yes? Or "agnostic" or some such. Funny how easily I was able to guess that. If you want a specific quote, this is the biggest giveaway:

"I grew up Southern Baptist, son of a preacher, straight up fundamentalist. Hell was a constant subject, and we were reminded of it every Sunday and usually throughout the week too."

It's the religious equivalent of an incel who hates women because he couldn't get laid in high school and college. You're not fooling anyone.

My point remains "Basing your system of government that strongly on religion is unfeasible unless you want to turn it into a heavily authoritarian surveillance/police state and I am not a fan of that."

As opposed to our current society in which you must conform to insane progressive dogma or face unpersoning. Yes, the idea of conforming to a set of religious beliefs is just horrible and unthinkable. Surely that would be impossible and could never exist in reality.

Sure. What would you like to know?

Give us your life story.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

A religion that sends Sam Berkowitz to Heaven and Junko Furuta to Hell is one I want nothing to do with.

Who the fuck says Junko Furuta is in hell? Even in early Christianity, people understood the concept of you can't be damned for what you don't know. That's why niggas like Virgil, Seneca, Cicero and the like are said to be in heaven in the Divine Comedy (or at least in Purgatory which means they will eventuallyget to heaven after a time of purgation from their sins) : they lived virtuous lives on earth even though they had no knowledge of the Gospel and no oppurtunity to truly engage or accept/deny it with full knowledge of what it is. Furata was a Japanese girl who died in 1989 and probably never heard much about Christianity except maybe how a bunch of peasants got buck broken because they teied to use Christianity to overthrow the shogunate. In addition she led a good life , barring the horrendous rape and slow torture/murder she faced. I highly doubt she's in hell and I think most sane would agree.


This is why I don't thonk religion threads belong on Deep Thoughts: it's either autistic Tradcath/E-Orthodox/Prautist spergs and euphoric atheists that debate in them and neither of them know what they are talking about past their base instincts on the matter.

 

[Wormy]

It is plausible that some people could fake it. I do not see this as a problem.

Why not?

Your posts practically ooze reddit atheism.

Anything that goes against Christianity at all is "Reddit Atheism" so that means nothing.

You are an atheist, yes? Or "agnostic" or some such.

Depends how much you want to split hairs. I'm of the opinion that I have not seen sufficient evidence for God, especially as described in the Bible. It could be out there, but I have not been presented with it. Whatever term that encompasses.

It's the religious equivalent of an incel who hates women because he couldn't get laid in high school and college. You're not fooling anyone.

So what am I trying to fool you into believing?

Also, while I do find Christianity abhorrent, Christians are individual people same as the rest of us. I can separate systems from people. Even despite our disagreements about faith, I get on well with my parents. We know just to not bring up religion as a subject when we get together.

As opposed to our current society in which you must conform to insane progressive dogma or face unpersoning. Yes, the idea of conforming to a set of religious beliefs is just horrible and unthinkable. Surely that would be impossible and could never exist in reality.

I've gone against it and I haven't been unpersoned at all. Neither have the vast bulk of people who express dissent. So no, we aren't there yet. Not even close.

Repeat, I never said a word about finding religion; when you start requiring religion under law, and yes this includes wokescold shit, you're going to run into a lot of problems that make it unfeasible without going to lengths that even Big Brother wouldn't have dared go. You're the one straw manning hard enough to keep a cornfield safe.

Give us your life story.

How TLR do you want it? Paragraph? 3 Paragraphs? Wall of text?