Goreans - Pulp Fantasy Sex Cult for Unwashed Fatties

[SuperSheep]

I know she's not historical, but I wouldn't mind Samus Aran being dragged in on this to do a commando raid on the alien bug people so they don't blow up the historical women.

 

[ccoinhoarder]

New I know she's not historical, but I wouldn't mind Samus Aran being dragged in on this to do a commando raid on the alien bug people so they don't blow up the historical women.

How about you stop denying Gorean women the right to be true to themselves?

Sure, they might be called 'slaves', are dressed according to their masters whims, usually start out not consenting until 'broken in', have to obey pretty much every direction provided by their master, are forcibly given tattoos signifying that they're property...

B-but, I promise, Gorean society is not 'sexist', it's just honest, and lets people live according to who they naturally want to be, and women are given the chance to be liberated via bondage.

How enlightened!

 

[Too Many Crooks]

Just read through the whole thing. I too thought this thread was about weird Koreans who were aroused by gore or some nonsense, so I ignored it.

...turns out the truth was much stranger. 50 Shades for D-list Conan fans? wow

 

[Feline Darkmage]

finally... a world that will accept peter andrew nolan!

 

[GV 998]

I'm tempted to read the first Gor novel just to see how it generated such a bizarre following. Plus I haven't read a good cheesy pulp novel in a while. However, based on what I've heard, it's really badly written, and I hate wasting my time with badly written tripe.

 

[drain]

I'm tempted to read the first Gor novel just to see how it generated such a bizarre following.

I'm too, but i'm scared that the thing is so bad that it will burn in my brain, like all of the previous bad novels I read shudders

 

[millais]

I'm tempted to read the first Gor novel just to see how it generated such a bizarre following. Plus I haven't read a good cheesy pulp novel in a while. However, based on what I've heard, it's really badly written, and I hate wasting my time with badly written tripe.

The first one is just a knockoff of E.R. Burroughs's Barsoom-style fantasy with some erotica thrown into the mix. Literally an unimaginative pastiche of Barsoom in that the narrator is a John Carter look-alike who is inexplicably transported from Earth to another world where he fights aliens, saves the day, and gets laid. The real kinky stuff comes in the later novels.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

I wonder if my town library has the books, but I don't want to look like a loser in front of the librarians.
I could just skim through them in the aisle next time I go.

 

[Kazami Yuuka]

I wonder if my town library has the books, but I don't want to look like a loser in front of the librarians.
I could just skim through them in the aisle next time I go.

The complete collection is (less than legally) available in a torrent. I'm doing the same because I really, really want to see just how bad this Conan copy is.

Spoiler: If the link doesn't work

https://kat.cr/chronicles-of-gor-by-john-norman-t10241189.html

 

[Sailor_Jupiter]

I'm seriously starting to think there's a correlation between being kinky and being fat as fuck.

Both are typically tied to lack of restraint when confronted worth sensual temptations, so there's typically a correlation. Most of the super-perverts online and irl are typically landwhales.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I've read quite a lot of them. The first 7 or so aren't all that bad, basically non-stop action and sex in a rather stony setting (talking spiders arguing about philosophy are involved, and one novel has the Big Bad as owner of a man-eating jelly in his basement that he throws his enemies to).

Number 8, though, Hunters of Gor, is where things start to go away from stony planetary romance with extra sexy sex bits and on to, well, wish fulfilment for sweaty-palmed virgins with rage. They start to fall into a rather predictable template of "Tarl Cabot goes to fantasy counterpart culture of Gor, foils big bad, has exquisitely detailed kinky sex with hordes of chained naked slave girls." And yes, there is a bit where he converts the chief of a tribe of nude lesbian amazons as well. They also start to have take thats aimed at feminism (this was the 1970s and feminism was a big thing then) such as having one of the women of Earth be a feminist English major and poetess who is shown the error of her ways by REAL MEN.

By volume 11, Slave Girl of Gor, it became basically pulp fantasy BDSM in book form, the plot being discarded in favour of yet more ways in which the chained naked slave girl can be seen to.

Oh yes. Volume 14, Fighting Slave of Gor, is almost like a manospheroid novel before the manosphere was a thing. In it, the protagonist, one Jason Marshall of Earth, goes from being a mega-cucked beta whiteknight manboob to being a TRUE AND HONEST alpha of Gor via the redpill of being a male sex slave who gets into a fistfight and is redeployed as a gladiator.

Yeah.

 

[millais]

Here are most of the Gor books of John Norman (1-26, but it seems there are 33 total). I pirated them a while back to see what all the fuss was about, and I share them here to atone for my sin of never seeding the torrented textbooks that got me through uni. Just FYI, I haven't skimmed through all the PDFs here, but many seem to have slight formatting issues because an image to text converter was apparently used make the PDFs from physical copies of the books. For the most part, it's still legible aside from some occasional misspellings, random indentations, and page numbers in the body of the text.

If you want to dive straight into the kinky sexual domination and slavery stuff and skip all the sci-fi/fantasy adventure schlock, I recommend looking at books 7, 11, 19, or 22. Those are all written from the perspective of a woman from Earth who gets sent to Gor and subsequently "redpilled" through slavery, for lack of a better term, so basically the only thing going on in those books is the erotica stuff. Most of the other books are told from the perspective of Norman's self-insert character (an English professor who becomes an adventurer when he ends up in Gor) and the main focus of those stories seems to be on adventuring and intrigue instead of awkwardly written erotica.

Also at the bottom of the list, I included a novel by John Norman called "Time Slave". It isn't part of the Gor series, but it covers a lot of the same themes according to Wikipedia.

Time Slave is a 1975 hybrid of historical fiction and science fiction by John Norman. In this book, Norman presents his personal theories of human evolution, exemplified by the case of a modern woman sent back in time twenty thousand years or more; he mourns the loss of human evolutionary fitness and distortion of "natural" social relations which in his view occurred when farming spread, and farmers squeezed hunter/gatherers to the ecological margins. Time Slave features Norman's social philosophy of male-dominance (as also in his Gor series), and expresses an unexplained connection between female sexual subordination and the speeding up of the development of space travel.

So similar premise to some of the Gor books where a modern Earth woman is enslaved and gets "redpilled", but in this novel it is a Caltech maths professor being sent back in time to Neanderthal rape apes and learning to like it.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

If you want to dive straight into the kinky sexual domination and slavery stuff and skip all the sci-fi/fantasy adventure schlock, I recommend looking at books 7, 11, 19, or 22. Those are all written from the perspective of a woman from Earth who gets sent to Gor and subsequently "redpilled" through slavery, for lack of a better term, so basically the only thing going on in those books is the erotica stuff. Most of the other books are told from the perspective of Norman's self-insert character (an English professor who becomes an adventurer when he ends up in Gor) and the main focus of those stories seems to be on adventuring and intrigue instead of awkwardly written erotica.

Oh, there's plenty awkwardly written erotica in those as well ("Take me, master." "I don't take orders from slaves!!"). But the prize goes to this passage from volume 19:

"Lie there and juice;" he had told me. "Waste no time about it." I had lain there and, briefly, shut my eyes and thought of his might and power, and my helpless slavery, and then I was ready, almost in a moment, to receive him he had had me swiftly.

I remember finding in a charity shop a copy of volume 13, "Explorers of Gor," which just happened to fall open at the bit where he fucks four chained naked slave girls at once. Also isn't that the one where Tarl Cabot goes on a huge infodump about the scent of slave girls' vaginal discharge, or "the precipitated odour of their hot love oils" in his words.

Volume 14, "Fighting Slave of Gor" is more the redpilling of a beta one.

Captive (#7) is actually not a bad deconstruction of thud and blunder from the perspective of the buxom leg-clinging wench and doesn't have much kinky sexy stuff in at all, from my recollection.

Slave Girl (#11), is really terrible though. The phrase, "I was well used" is deployed frequently. Also one chapter of it is called "I bead a necklace and am used for wench sport."

Goreans themselves, well, they're nuts. Have a read of this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-the-galactic-lords-of-darlington-548941.html

Incidentally, I remember at the time Bizarre magazine (back when it was still good) did an interview with him in which he admitted to having been thrown out of his local supermarket for taking his chained naked slave girl in there. They also did loads of photo shoots where him and a bunch of scantily clad lasses re-enacted the cover art to some of the books. Suffice to say that the two Gorean men were hardly the well-built Boris Vallejo style wammickers that they are usually portrayed as.

I may still have that magazine somewhere. If I ever find it I'll upload those pages for your amusement.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

@Ginger Piglet
@millais

wow Knowing this, I'm surprised that the manosphere/redpillers/whatever aren't fanboying over these books.

Another thing that kills me about this series is the name of one character: "Tarl Cabot". It's just a poorly scrambled "Carl Talbot", which is telling of the lack of imagination.

Wasn't the author John Norman (Lange?) a college professor as well? I wish we knew how he was hired and how he taught.

 

[ccoinhoarder]

@Ginger Piglet
@millais

wow Knowing this, I'm surprised that the manosphere/redpillers/whatever aren't fanboying over these books.

Another thing that kills me about this series is the name of one character: "Tarl Cabot". It's just a poorly scrambled "Carl Talbot", which is telling of the lack of imagination.

Wasn't the author John Norman (Lange?) a college professor as well? I wish we knew how he was hired and how he taught.

I'm surprised too, especially considering how SF&F stuff is going through that stupid-ass ess-jay versus anti-ess-jay shit that's infected the internet right now. However, I think the redpillers are just happy with Starship Troopers.

And hey, even professors need to beat off too. His (non-porn, and... Yeah, his porn too, I guess) stuff focuses on natural order and hierarchy (in that he believes all societies are based off of dominance and have a pecking order, which is hard to disagree with), which is a pretty common topic amongst the Dark Enlightenment circles, but, despite the focus on male dominance in the Gor series, there's still strong females (that, predictably, enslave men), and some focus on Femdom in his own bondage guide.

I dunno, I don't really see him as 'redpilled', and more of a kinky guy that reads too much and likes his Nietzsche. I'm hesitant to really give him shit, after all, he's not the one walking around with literal slavegirls in some backwoods poly relationship. Hell, he's had a wife for longer than most of us have been alive.

 

[millais]

@Ginger Piglet
@millais

wow Knowing this, I'm surprised that the manosphere/redpillers/whatever aren't fanboying over these books.

Another thing that kills me about this series is the name of one character: "Tarl Cabot". It's just a poorly scrambled "Carl Talbot", which is telling of the lack of imagination.

Wasn't the author John Norman (Lange?) a college professor as well? I wish we knew how he was hired and how he taught.

I suspect it is because these books already have such a poor reputation that they fear it could be a detriment to be associated with them. Like how most anti-semites with half a brain won't throw their weight behind the Protocols of the Elders of Zion because even though they want to believe, it's been common knowledge for over a century that the book is clearly a fabrication.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I suspect it is because these books already have such a poor reputation that they fear it could be a detriment to be associated with them.

This. And also like how many radical feminists will draw a veil over Valerie Solanas, her SCUM manifesto, and her shooting of Andy Warhol.

 

[GL99]

@Ginger Piglet
@millais

wow Knowing this, I'm surprised that the manosphere/redpillers/whatever aren't fanboying over these books.

Oh, they are. See, for instance, this thread from /r/TheRedPill:

https://archive.is/b2Q9T

There are a few other manospambots who love the books and the Gorean community; I think Ray Manta, the guy I've mentioned before in relation to Omega Virgin Revolt and PMAFT, is a fan.

 

[Terrorist]

Goreans: heterosexual and redpilled, yet still faggots.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Goreans: heterosexual and redpilled, yet still faggots.

Yep. Have you seen the Boris Vallejo-produced cover art from the first book? Seriously, men fucking is straighter:

Add to this the idea that the love between man and woman is just master/slave coupling for sexual release and the only TRUE AND HONEST love is the, erm, "brotherly," love between men (is that what they're calling it these days?) (Tarl Cabot's bromance with Samos of Port Kar is the stuff of legends) and... well, you get the idea.

And yes, a belt with a flappy bit down the middle and a pair of furry boots is standard attire for the warriors of Gor.