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I've got another kind of off the wall retarded question, but this seems like the right place to ask.

I am looking at workstation cases again. I'm kind of tired of paying out the nose for SuperMicro SuperChassis, but most cases I've looked at have got the thinnest god damn sheet metal known to man, and little if anything comes with more than 1 5.25" drive bay. My PCs often live with other tools, and I've accidentally dropped shit like engineer's hammers and various engine parts on cases, and end up stacking 100+ pounds worth of tools and shit on them when they get put on the shelf, and I worry about some paper thin light weight case getting crushed. I miss the older ATX cases, as they were definitely built pretty sturdy (enough to support a CRT, at least). Does anyone make a computer case for retards like me (mid tower to full tower size, extremely durable, heavy, lots of 5.25 bays, maybe even real air filtration)? I keep thinking about just fabbing some retardedly overbuilt cases so I can add things like good paper air filters too, but maybe this is something someone has already done? Maybe I should look at other industrial PC cases.

Sort of related, but I keep seeing PC cases with transparent sides, and they're all acrylic or tempered glass, almost no polycarb. I know polycarb scratches easy, but the tempered glass especially feels like a safety hazard..I guess I'm sort of surprised that polycarb isn't standard since it's safer, easier to machine and stands up to a way bigger beating.
 
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Weapons of Mass Tardation said:
I am looking at workstation cases again. I'm kind of tired of paying out the nose for SuperMicro SuperChassis, but most cases I've looked at have got the thinnest god damn sheet metal known to man, and little if anything comes with more than 1 5.25" drive bay. My PCs often live with other tools, and I've accidentally dropped shit like engineer's hammers and various engine parts on cases, and end up stacking 100+ pounds worth of tools and shit on them when they get put on the shelf, and I worry about some paper thin light weight case getting crushed. I miss the older ATX cases, as they were definitely built pretty sturdy (enough to support a CRT, at least). Does anyone make a computer case for retards like me (mid tower to full tower size, extremely durable, heavy, lots of 5.25 bays, maybe even real air filtration)? I keep thinking about just fabbing some retardedly overbuilt cases so I can add things like good paper air filters too, but maybe this is something someone has already done? Maybe I should look at other industrial PC cases.
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Could you use a rackmount server chassis? I see a lot of them on the ebay, including from Newegg's budget Rosewill brand. Some of these say they fit 3x 5.25 bays. But they might not fit tall graphics cards or regular coolers so you have to be careful with that.


Ok, you did say mid/full tower. A search for "e-atx case" brings up a lot of gamer-oriented cases with tempered glass. Supermicro brings up cases that I hope are cheaper than what they sell for new.


People are trying to sell "vintage" cases for "sleeper" builds, but many old techies probably have ancient ATX desktops lying around unused. Built like a tank sometimes but air flow not guaranteed. Point is, I think the used market could be your savior.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
SGX was removed in 11th gen, aka Rocket Lake.


It only worked on 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th generations. Potentially a good reason to pick up a cheap Comet Lake system.
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I mean that would be a use for one of my ancient Micro ATX cases I have lol. That said I already have the 12th gen i7. I want to spend as little as possible on this project while still keeping it capable. A 4060/ a graphics card should work for the transcoding, right?
 
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I mean that would be a use for one of my ancient Micro ATX cases I have lol. That said I already have the 12th gen i7. I want to spend as little as possible on this project while still keeping it capable. A 4060/ a graphics card should work for the transcoding, right?
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Probably? It's not something I care about since I have pirated or pirate streamed everything for decades. The idea of a "Plex transcoding box" is a completely foreign concept to me, like a toilet in India.

I think internal UHD Blu-ray drives may be more expensive than some complete Comet Lake systems. It's a tragedy wot happened to optical media.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Probably? It's not something I care about since I have pirated or pirate streamed everything for decades. The idea of a "Plex transcoding box" is a completely foreign concept to me, like a toilet in India.
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I like that comparison lol.
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I think internal UHD Blu-ray drives may be more expensive than some complete Comet Lake systems. It's a tragedy wot happened to optical media.
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Cost isn't a issue, I'll just save for it. I have most of the expensive parts already. Really the cost will come down to the card and the m.2 drives, and I guess the player. I don't expect to need a big PSU, it's not doing much and a 4060 doesn't even use that 12vhwpr port last I checked, it's fairly efficient all things considered.

As for optical media, I fucking know bro. They literally invented a format with a 100 year lifespan, and then toss it out because lol streaming. Fucking gay and not based.

I guess the last use I'd have for this system, a possible use, and why I don't want a 10th gen core, is just raw computing power for things like AI. It would be slow because of the 4060, but it'd also have a big HDD/SDD/M.2. It could do crunch while I do stuff on my main system
 
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Optical media doesn’t have a hundred year lifespans, wtf are you two talking about? Almost all vintage laserdiscs already rotted away decades ago, and the oldest ones of those are barely 45 today.
Actual long-storage archival media uses tape, like LTO.
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Blu-Ray uses inorganic optical dye, which is why it's expected to last much, much longer than DVD-Rs or CD-Rs. CDs & Laserdiscs protect the aluminum substrate with a nitrocellulose lacquer, which decays in air. Blu-Ray and DVD sandwich the reflective layer between two sheets of plastic and thus last a lot longer. Maybe not a century, get back to me when I'm 130 years old and I'll check if my wife's copy of Cinderella still works.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Could you use a rackmount server chassis? I see a lot of them on the ebay, including from Newegg's budget Rosewill brand. Some of these say they fit 3x 5.25 bays. But they might not fit tall graphics cards or regular coolers so you have to be careful with that.
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I've used the Rosewill and Silverstone 4U chassis before for servers, it's honestly not a bad idea for a workstation. I'd have to measure how deep they are, but in thinking about it, I might be able to get everything in a 8-9U enclosed telecom rack box, which would also be the cats ass since that makes it easy to keep everything (sans displays) in one place if it needs to be moved.

The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
People are trying to sell "vintage" cases for "sleeper" builds, but many old techies probably have ancient ATX desktops lying around unused. Built like a tank sometimes but air flow not guaranteed. Point is, I think the used market could be your savior.
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Also not a bad idea. It's probably going to be easier to fix airflow challenges on some of those cases and go from there, and I can probably steal a couple from my old man anyways.
 
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Samsung’s 24 Gb GDDR7 Memory Can Pave The Way For Higher-Capacity Consumer GPUs, Up To 42.5 Gbps Speeds (archive)

It's known that 24 Gb GDDR7 will be available soon, but not before an initial wave of cards with 16 Gb launches. Samsung's press release looks accidentally tagged with "32Gb DRAM", leading WccfKek to speculate briefly about 32 Gb GDDR7 being "hinted".

Samsung specified a speed: 40-42.5 Gbps. They have been known to overpromise on speed, such as 24 Gbps GDDR6 that never materialized, but here are bandwidths for 42.5 Gbps alongside the typical amount of VRAM using 24 Gb chips:
  • 512-bit - 2720 GB/s / 48 GB
  • 384-bit - 2040 GB/s / 36 GB
  • 320-bit - 1700 GB/s / 30 GB
  • 256-bit - 1360 GB/s / 24 GB
  • 192-bit - 1020 GB/s / 18 GB
  • 128-bit - 680 GB/s / 12 GB
The 6700 XT complained about in this thread uses 16 Gbps GDDR6 memory to get to only 384 GB/s bandwidth. AMD is skipping GDDR7 for the RDNA4 generation, which is not expected to outperform the 7900 XTX aside from raytracing.

It's rumored that the RTX 5080 will debut with 16 GB (256-bit) but get a 24 GB variant later.
 
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*Edit* As far as hardware price decreases go, let's look at the 5800X3D. Launched at $450 over 2 years ago. About $300 now on ebay used. $150 and I could have been enjoying what is still a top notch gaming cpu for 2 years? Chump change.
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that's just CPUs, GPUs seem to be more stable.

you could get a 5800x3d for 250€ just six months ago, the cheapest price now I can't check because it isn't sold anymore anywhere according to price-checking websites.
similar to the 7800x3d, but that's more because of the 9800 not hitting the spot people expected. apparently the new 9800x3d is gonna do that if rumors are to be believed, but if it does pretty sure amd is gonna make you pay for it since they know there's enough demand - or not now that people jumped on the 7800x3d and might skip it. still, there will probably be a few cheap second hand ones available from the people who do upgrade.
 
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similar to the 7800x3d, but that's more because of the 9800 not hitting the spot people expected. apparently the new 9800x3d is gonna do that if rumors are to be believed, but if it does pretty sure amd is gonna make you pay for it since they know there's enough demand - or not now that people jumped on the 7800x3d and might skip it. still, there will probably be a few cheap second hand ones available from the people who do upgrade.
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Pricing will be interesting, launch appears imminent. I doubt they will go over $449 (which is already high), and I'm going to lock in a prediction of $399. Not much over the 9700X MSRP of $359, but they need to salvage Zen 5's reputation and keep Arrow Lake from gaining momentum on its new socket.
 
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Pricing will be interesting, launch appears imminent. I doubt they will go over $449 (which is already high), and I'm going to lock in a prediction of $399. Not much over the 9700X MSRP of $359, but they need to salvage Zen 5's reputation and keep Arrow Lake from gaining momentum on its new socket.
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AMD fucking up the 9950x is probably one of the strongest advantages Arrow Lake has right now. If you want to build a decent core count workstation that can also game without needing to fuck around with core-parking or Game Bar, your options are the 7950x or.... the upcoming Arrow Lake Core 9 Ultra. It's not a massive niche but it does give Intel some kind of market differentiation they can exploit to try and win back enthusiasts.
 
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AMD fucking up the 9950x is probably one of the strongest advantages Arrow Lake has right now. If you want to build a decent core count workstation that can also game without needing to fuck around with core-parking or Game Bar, your options are the 7950x or.... the upcoming Arrow Lake Core 9 Ultra. It's not a massive niche but it does give Intel some kind of market differentiation they can exploit to try and win back enthusiasts.
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This is all that I've bothered to read about core parking, back when the review came out:
AMD didn’t tell reviewers this feature was active in the new chipset driver until late in the review process, which was problematic. As we’ve covered in the past, the core parking feature has a major problem: It can’t be uninstalled from the operating system. As such, if you later install another processor but use the same operating system, the feature will persist and can continue to park cores (potentially unbeknownst to the user), thus hamstringing performance with processors that aren’t designed to use the feature. We remarked back in April 2023 that it was ‘almost unbelievable’ that this known issue exists, and it is even more unbelievable that it still exists 16 months later, in 2024.

If you swap from a dual-CCD chip to a regular processor, you must completely reinstall Windows. Additionally, we've heard reports that upgrading from a standard single-CCD model to a dual-CCD model could also require a complete reinstall, an unnecessary and quite irritating situation for end users who might not even be aware of this requirement.
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I could see the majority of users not running into this simply by never upgrading their CPU, but the implementation still sounds horrible.

Since the 9950X launched, one of the patches improved cross-CCD latency by a large amount, so maybe it's not as necessary as it was before.
 
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Since the 9950X launched, one of the patches improved cross-CCD latency by a large amount, so maybe it's not as necessary as it was before.
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I've actually been curious about this myself. I've searched around online for answers but it doesn't seem like very many people actually own a 9950x so there's not much discussion about it.

All that being said though, I've been pretty happy with my 7950x and am just sad that its 'successor' seems to introduce so many QoL regressions. AMD is seemingly ramping down Zen 4 production so eventually the only option will be a 9950x.
 
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Weapons of Mass Tardation said:
I've got another kind of off the wall retarded question, but this seems like the right place to ask.

I am looking at workstation cases again. I'm kind of tired of paying out the nose for SuperMicro SuperChassis, but most cases I've looked at have got the thinnest god damn sheet metal known to man, and little if anything comes with more than 1 5.25" drive bay. My PCs often live with other tools, and I've accidentally dropped shit like engineer's hammers and various engine parts on cases, and end up stacking 100+ pounds worth of tools and shit on them when they get put on the shelf, and I worry about some paper thin light weight case getting crushed. I miss the older ATX cases, as they were definitely built pretty sturdy (enough to support a CRT, at least). Does anyone make a computer case for retards like me (mid tower to full tower size, extremely durable, heavy, lots of 5.25 bays, maybe even real air filtration)? I keep thinking about just fabbing some retardedly overbuilt cases so I can add things like good paper air filters too, but maybe this is something someone has already done? Maybe I should look at other industrial PC cases.
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If you have the necessary tools, you could try to make your own case. I've made several before. While they don't look very nice, they are very durable.
 
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Quick question.

Lets say I have an old pc and my processor is outdated 2.7ghz dual core pentium.

Is it possible to buy something I can plug in that acts as an external processor and boosts my processing power so I don't have to bother with replacing my processor or buying a new pc.

Alos the xbox 360 has a 3 core 3.2 GHz processor. Is there any reason why you cant simply repurpose it to use in a computer?
 
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