GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Bogan]

I found a well priced 6700xt in my area, is that a better choice over the b580?

6700XT has slightly lower performance.

 

[harbringer883]

6700XT has slightly lower performance.

Techpowerup says it has 5% more performance

 

[Bogan]

Techpowerup says it has 5% more performance

14 game average at 1440p from HUB:

 

[harbringer883]

14 game average at 1440p from HUB:

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i mean i play in 1080p

 

[Bogan]

i mean i play in 1080p

1080p results are pretty much the same story.

The Radeon card is probably the better option if you don't want to deal with weird driver issues on older games.

 

[The Ugly One]

I really don't think NVidia will make the 5050 an 8GB card. Entire series is a dead end.

The entire series sells out as fast as it hits the streets.

Could it be RTX 3050 rebranded?

30 series was a Samsung product, and NVIDIA has moved on to TSMC. I don't think they're ordering anything at all from Samsung anymore.

I still have no idea why NVidia decided to go with GDDR7 over GDDR6 for the 5060 and Ti. It really has no benefits right?

You can really never have too much bandwidth. Modern graphics algorithms devour data. Could be some of their internal benchmarks showed that the 4060 was bandwidth-limited in some games. Plus when you release a GPU these days, you know it's going to be within target specs for games for the next 5-10 years, and you never really know what anyone will invent in that time.

The Radeon card is probably the better option if you don't want to deal with weird driver issues on older games.

Runs 40W hotter than the Intel card, has less bandwidth, and XeSS beats the pants off FSR 2 & 3. But it doens't choke on weak CPUs. I have one. Not a huge fan, but don't hate it enough to junk it.

 

[Bogan]

Runs 40W hotter than the Intel card, has less bandwidth, and XeSS beats the pants off FSR 2 & 3. But it doens't choke on weak CPUs. I have one. Not a huge fan, but don't hate it enough to junk it.

Yeah the recommendation for the 6700XT was because of his CPU and on the drivers not working on a lot of older games yet.

 

[The Ugly One]

There isn't a sub-200W card right now that's much better, unfortunately. Guess I'll have to wait for <= 3nm cards.

 

[Bogan]

There isn't a sub-200W card right now that's much better, unfortunately. Guess I'll have to wait for <= 3nm cards.

Waiting is really the only thing anyone who wants value can do right now.

Power efficiency isn't really something that bothers me, my system pretty much needs its own power station to run.

 

[Drael]

Prediction: Any eventual refresh of the 5080 as Ti or super with the vram upgraded to 24 will end up right at or just above the 4090 in performance, but will somehow cost more than a 4090 did by a fair bit (except for maybe FE versions that hardly exist).
People will still buy it because they'll rationalize it as being a deal somehow. 5090 stock will remain largely unavailable under 3K USD regardless because of AI farms and scalpers.

 

[Mister Fister]

Prediction: Any eventual refresh of the 5080 as Ti or super with the vram upgraded to 24 will end up right at or just above the 4090 in performance, but will somehow cost more than a 4090 did by a fair bit (except for maybe FE versions that hardly exist).
People will still buy it because they'll rationalize it as being a deal somehow. 5090 stock will remain largely unavailable under 3K USD regardless because of AI farms and scalpers.

Not just AI but any professional using CUDA. The 4090 and 5090 are about the cheapest you can get for reasonable professional work.

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V-Ray (higher is better)

NVIDIA RTX 5090
14767 V-Ray
NVIDIA RTX 4090
10,847 V-Ray
NVIDIA RTX 6000 Ada
10766 V-Ray

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[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Prediction: Any eventual refresh of the 5080 as Ti or super with the vram upgraded to 24 will end up right at or just above the 4090 in performance, but will somehow cost more than a 4090 did by a fair bit (except for maybe FE versions that hardly exist).

Where is the performance going to come from?

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-review/4

If all they do is swap out the VRAM, no clock/core changes (I think it's fully enabled GB203 already), then the gaming performance won't budge. The 4090 will continue to be about 20% faster at 4K. The price could indeed skyrocket if the AI people like it though.

 

[WULULULULU]

Welp, the rumor mill is talking about the "It Has the Correct Amount of VRAM Now, Super" models:

NVIDIA Is Reportedly Preparing For RTX 50 SUPER Lineup; GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER 24 GB & 5070 SUPER 18 GB Surface Online (archive)

5080 "needs" it because it's so expensive for just 16 GB, 5070 needs it to eliminate instances of 16 GB cards embarrassing it. The 128-bit 8 GB cards could really use 12 GB. I will laugh if we ever see a 96-bit 9 GB card, but it's not happening until next-gen (RTX 5050 8 GB GDDR6 is the expected low-end offering).

Nvidijew going Nvidijew all over again.

 

[Drael]

Where is the performance going to come from?

I would guess that would come from closing the gap between the 10,752 cores the 5080 has and the 21,760 the 5090 has. I don't know if it's really an apples to apples comparison to the 4090's 16,384 cores, but time will tell.

 

[Fcret]

I would guess that would come from closing the gap between the 10,752 cores the 5080 has and the 21,760 the 5090 has. I don't know if it's really an apples to apples comparison to the 4090's 16,384 cores, but time will tell.

The 5080 is already a fully-utilized GB203 die. They'd have to go up to the GB202 which is a massive increase in price. VRAM increase is the only option on the table for a 5080 refresh.

 

[Drael]

....which is a massive increase in price....

It'll fit in real well around the 2K USD price tag then since the 5090 ran off to hang around 3K.

I wasn't aware the 5080's die was the 100% usage of that particular chip. I thought they'd done like they had with the 4080 and left some headroom for a Ti/Super to squeeze in.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

I wasn't aware the 5080's die was the 100% usage of that particular chip.

Narrator: But some customers found out that 100% usage is sometimes 89% true.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Narrator: But some customers found out that 100% usage is sometimes 89% true.

93% of the time, it works 100% of the time.

Investigating NVIDIA’s Defective GPUs: RTX 5080 Missing ROPs Benchmarks
Retailer clarifies RTX 5090 'B-stock' listing with missing ROPs was a system error

 

[The Ugly One]

Waiting is really the only thing anyone who wants value can do right now.

Power efficiency isn't really something that bothers me, my system pretty much needs its own power station to run.

My office gets way too hot if my system is drawing about 500W or more.

Also, as for AMD not having driver issues with old games, just updated, and now Serious Sam (the original) is doing this:

 

[Bogan]

My office gets way too hot if my system is drawing about 500W or more.

Also, as for AMD not having driver issues with old games, just updated, and now Serious Sam (the original) is doing this:
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It's supposed to be a myth that going to full liquid cooling doesn't change how hot the room becomes, but after going to a custom loop my room definitely doesn't get as hot anymore. My power draw is usually around 550-600W total, but it's supposed to get up to 880W on full system load.

As for the AMD drivers, I just have to go off of what reviewers and commenters have to say about them. I know a few people with AMD 7000 cards and none of them have complained about any errors like that. But on average they're more likely to work than Intels.