Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Edgeworth]

HH / HB would be much better if it contained a modicum of the humour Smiling Friends has.

Also unrelated but now that I think about it, Crimson's whole "aquatic gang" kinda reminds me of the gang from that other pilot Long Gone Gulch, which came out two years before Exes and Oohs. I get that marine life thug designs aren't really all that creative but like... I dunno. Food for thought, I guess. I wonder if any of them ended up working at Spindlehorse

 

[Gondolindrim]

HH / HB would be much better if it contained a modicum of the humour Smiling Friends has.

It's held back by the manchildren Vivienna surrounds herself with. The most frustrating thing about these shows is that they could very easily be good if they just cut the bullshit and trimmed the fat. But, as we've established, she takes criticism about her overuse of curse words as a personal attack and the shipping is the closest thing to a main plot in Helluva Boss.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Something intresting about how the show entirely fucks its own premise with the last episode of sir pentious being redeemed.

Pretty much the entire show spends its time showing how angels are just as bad as the demons and how nobody actually knows HOW you get into heaven (despite the fact that angels supposedly built it), angels butcher "innocent sinners/demons" and are all huge assholes.

It seems like it was setting up a twist that heaven and hell are completely arbitrary, and redemption doesn't exist and was just made up by angels to keep the denizens of hell placid, but with sir pentious getting automatically redeemed it seems that there IS an objectively good and evil system that goes beyond even the angels (since they're shocked at it too) that decides who is virtuous and who is a sinner.

If that's the case then that means everyone in hell IS objectively deserving of being there (since a third party decides, not heaven nor hell) and the exterminators are 100% justified in everything they do meaning adam literally did nothing wrong.

 

[Rakdos92]

If that's the case then that means everyone in hell IS objectively deserving of being there (since a third party decides, not heaven nor hell) and the exterminators are 100% justified in everything they do meaning adam literally did nothing wrong.

They tend to dismiss that with two arguments:

1. The Exterminations never should've happened in the first place!
2. Everyone deserves a third fifth tenth fifthieth second chance!

Nevermind that in 10.000 years not one Sinner managed to redeem themselves. Also, unironically, fuck every single creature in Hell in a non-sexual way. Fuck all of them, they all not only deserve to, but need to die! Adam didn't go far enough! Cleanse it all in Divine Fire, drown them in it! Reduce Lucifer to a shrieking charred corpse begging for the sweet release only to be denied at every turn!

God, I hate these Hell-apologia bastards.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Nevermind that in 10.000 years not one Sinner managed to redeem themselves.

Its really hard to argue against the exterminations when you take this into consideration. Redemption is possible and nobody accomplished it because those who are capable of redemption were probably already in heaven to begin with.

Everyone who is in hell more or less deserves to be there. I really don't know how they plan to fix this without massive retcons.

 

[Rakdos92]

Its really hard to argue against the exterminations when you take this into consideration. Redemption is possible and nobody accomplished it because those who are capable of redemption were probably already in heaven to begin with.

Everyone who is in hell more or less deserves to be there. I really don't know how they plan to fix this without massive retcons.

It's that belief of "better to let ten guilty go free than imprison even one innocent!" Except, it's not just ten, but millions, with that "innocent" sinner likely being trapped in a contract and routinely getting anally raped with caddle prods because that's what gets his master off.

Hell is fucked. The innocent become hardened scum themselves or end up as chaff for the sadists in charge.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Something intresting about how the show entirely fucks its own premise with the last episode of sir pentious being redeemed.

Pretty much the entire show spends its time showing how angels are just as bad as the demons and how nobody actually knows HOW you get into heaven (despite the fact that angels supposedly built it), angels butcher "innocent sinners/demons" and are all huge assholes.

It seems like it was setting up a twist that heaven and hell are completely arbitrary, and redemption doesn't exist and was just made up by angels to keep the denizens of hell placid, but with sir pentious getting automatically redeemed it seems that there IS an objectively good and evil system that goes beyond even the angels (since they're shocked at it too) that decides who is virtuous and who is a sinner.

If that's the case then that means everyone in hell IS objectively deserving of being there (since a third party decides, not heaven nor hell) and the exterminators are 100% justified in everything they do meaning adam literally did nothing wrong.

We also don't know why Sir Pentious got redeemed. Yeah, he sacrificed himself supposedly, and seemed to be becoming a better person, but that doesn't mean he got redeemed. Redemption is atoning for one's sins, and we haven't seen Pentious do that. Probably because we don't even know what his sins were to begin with. We can theorize what they might have been, but I'd argue we don't know him as much as a person to even come up with a decent enough theory."

 

[Doctor of Autism]

We also don't know why Sir Pentious got redeemed. Yeah, he sacrificed himself supposedly, and seemed to be becoming a better person, but that doesn't mean he got redeemed. Redemption is atoning for one's sins, and we haven't seen Pentious do that. Probably because we don't even know what his sins were to begin with. We can theorize what they might have been, but I'd argue we don't know him as much as a person to even come up with a decent enough theory."

I think its part of the modern idea that redemption just means "bad guy becomes good guy" like unless Season 2 explains how he got redeemed, it is just going with the idea he did good deeds and that's it.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

They tend to dismiss that with two arguments:

1. The Exterminations never should've happened in the first place!
2. Everyone deserves a third fifth tenth fifthieth second chance!

Nevermind that in 10.000 years not one Sinner managed to redeem themselves. Also, unironically, fuck every single creature in Hell in a non-sexual way. Fuck all of them, they all not only deserve to, but need to die! Adam didn't go far enough! Cleanse it all in Divine Fire, drown them in it! Reduce Lucifer to a shrieking charred corpse begging for the sweet release only to be denied at every turn!

God, I hate these Hell-apologia bastards.

Preach.

Its really hard to argue against the exterminations when you take this into consideration. Redemption is possible and nobody accomplished it because those who are capable of redemption were probably already in heaven to begin with.

Everyone who is in hell more or less deserves to be there. I really don't know how they plan to fix this without massive retcons.

It's that belief of "better to let ten guilty go free than imprison even one innocent!" Except, it's not just ten, but millions, with that "innocent" sinner likely being trapped in a contract and routinely getting anally raped with caddle prods because that's what gets his master off.

Hell is fucked. The innocent become hardened scum themselves or end up as chaff for the sadists in charge.

It's complicated, and I get the feeling that if that continues, we might get a "Adam was right", or a case where C.H.E.R.U.B.S./D.H.O.R.K.S. are fighting a good fight, and people who have their brains in the right place will cheer for the "villans" of the story. Now that will be an unintentional fail.

I wonder if Sir Pentious' redemption will foreshadow God?

 

[AnOminous]

We also don't know why Sir Pentious got redeemed. Yeah, he sacrificed himself supposedly, and seemed to be becoming a better person, but that doesn't mean he got redeemed. Redemption is atoning for one's sins, and we haven't seen Pentious do that. Probably because we don't even know what his sins were to begin with. We can theorize what they might have been, but I'd argue we don't know him as much as a person to even come up with a decent enough theory."

If Sir Pentious got redeemed, then why not Angel Dust? After all, Angel Dust has made some really funny jokes. That should be enough to get into gay Heaven right?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It's honestly impressive that the damn playbill that was supposed to release alongside the trading cards apparently still hasn't been delivered, it's even funnier that the only news we've gotten from it was RP shit from Husk and Charlie that doesn't actually give people info on their purchase.

We also don't know why Sir Pentious got redeemed. Yeah, he sacrificed himself supposedly, and seemed to be becoming a better person, but that doesn't mean he got redeemed. Redemption is atoning for one's sins, and we haven't seen Pentious do that. Probably because we don't even know what his sins were to begin with. We can theorize what they might have been, but I'd argue we don't know him as much as a person to even come up with a decent enough theory."

I know the theory of him being involved with British Raj is popular these days, but Viv doesn't have the guts to reveal that a character the audience is supposed to like was in fact a ruthless colonial during his time on Earth.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I know the theory of him being involved with British Raj is popular these days, but Viv doesn't have the guts to reveal that a character the audience is supposed to like was in fact a ruthless colonial during his time on Earth.

I think this--if it's true--and the fact that Viv never wanted to put in real-life figures as even side characters proves why the show's premise of "everyone can be redeemed" falls flat on its face. Failing to sincerely examine why these people, especially people like Alastor, were sent to hell in the first place just makes this show's message seem two-faced at best, IMO.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I think this--if it's true--and the fact that Viv never wanted to put in real-life figures as even side characters proves why the show's premise of "everyone can be redeemed" falls flat on its face. Failing to sincerely examine why these people, especially people like Alastor, were sent to hell in the first place just makes this show's message seem two-faced at best, IMO.

In all fairness S2 is said to explore at least Alastor's and Pentious' backstories, issue is any of their evilness will be watered down and glossed over. Viv's already stated during the old streams that she took heavy inspiration from Dexter for Alastor's MO (So you know that every single person he ever killed absolutely 100% deserved it) and Pentious' will probably just enforce some plot point about it being an extremely easy road to Hell and how he never really deserved it.

As @Outer Space Traveller mentioned, I.M.P. still hasn't gone after an undeserving target, despite there being countless potential reasons why an evil bastard who landed in Hell would want to kill someone who's a complete innocent.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

As @Outer Space Traveller mentioned, I.M.P. still hasn't gone after an undeserving target, despite there being countless potential reasons why an evil bastard who landed in Hell would want to kill someone who's a complete innocent.

I think the closest they've done is the party goers in the Spring Break episode, only because we don't know what they did to get a hit on them.

 

[perry 23 tack]

I just love how while the discourse about Viv and Brandon's unfunny humor still exist, it appears even the critical fans enjoy the show when it just focuses on being full on comedy. No forced drama shit, just a glorified Brandon Rogers skit mixed with Zoophobia style slapstick and fluidity. That's all people were asking for with Helluva in the first place.

 

[The oxymoronic European]

Something intresting about how the show entirely fucks its own premise with the last episode of sir pentious being redeemed.

Pretty much the entire show spends its time showing how angels are just as bad as the demons and how nobody actually knows HOW you get into heaven (despite the fact that angels supposedly built it), angels butcher "innocent sinners/demons" and are all huge assholes.

It seems like it was setting up a twist that heaven and hell are completely arbitrary, and redemption doesn't exist and was just made up by angels to keep the denizens of hell placid, but with sir pentious getting automatically redeemed it seems that there IS an objectively good and evil system that goes beyond even the angels (since they're shocked at it too) that decides who is virtuous and who is a sinner.

If that's the case then that means everyone in hell IS objectively deserving of being there (since a third party decides, not heaven nor hell) and the exterminators are 100% justified in everything they do meaning adam literally did nothing wrong.

There is an easy solution for this. It's so obvious that even a person who's never flipped a page in the bible (Vivzie) would be able to come up with it.

Lucifer owns all souls who end up in hell. Ergo, he doesn't let anyone ascend to heaven, because he would view it as a personal insult that he "lost" a soul he owned. He already hates it when souls on earth don't fall to his clutches, do you think he's going to let it slide on his own backyard?

You could even make it so that the only reason Pentious ascended to heaven was because Lucifer was too preoccupied with Adam to notice him slipping his grasp.

Fuck it, he could even act the exact same he normally does, but make it clear that he's manipulating everyone around him with his uwu Le depressed softboy persona, but in the meanwhile actively undermining his daughters project.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

There is an easy solution for this. It's so obvious that even a person who's never flipped a page in the bible (Vivzie) would be able to come up with it.

Lucifer owns all souls who end up in hell. Ergo, he doesn't let anyone ascend to heaven, because he would view it as a personal insult that he "lost" a soul he owned. He already hates it when souls on earth don't fall to his clutches, do you think he's going to let it slide on his own backyard?

You could even make it so that the only reason Pentious ascended to heaven was because Lucifer was too preoccupied with Adam to notice him slipping his grasp.

Fuck it, he could even act the exact same he normally does, but make it clear that he's manipulating everyone around him with his uwu Le depressed softboy persona, but in the meanwhile actively undermining his daughters project.

I mean the entire show would need to be rewritten for that twist to work and a character like Alastor would have to be removed or become a complete good guy, not to mention how in season 1, Lucifer somehow had enough pull with Heaven to allow Charlie to have a chance to pitch her redemption idea to them.

Lucifer as in canon is written as a decent father with depression, which is kind of absurd how Vivzie decided to go in that direction despite having an easy villainous character to write about in her setting where she already plans on having other demons be evil, and likes to use daddy issues.

But somehow she just makes Lucifer a good dad who is probably the only thing closest to a good father between her two shows, even more than the Gay Owl she insists is a good father but probably one of the worst ones.

 

[Tablet County]

Here have a dumb meme.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

I have to admit that I liked this short, but it also makes me sad because I think about what the show could have been.

This thread is so damn comfy.

 

[Rakdos92]

I.M.P. still hasn't gone after an undeserving target

I dunno. Emberlynn was weird, but she didn't deserve to die for that.